India's Worst Fears and Our Military Options For Sir Creek,Kutch and Kathiawar Regions of Gujrat

[Arulmozhi Varman]

Who set the precedence!!! The dynamics of History are always prone to CYCLIC changes, as you sow so shall you reap.

I haven't seen Indians jumping up and down for a part of Sindh or Punjab. Most of them don't even want to invade your side of Kashmir. I would prefer making LoC as IB though if I am an Indian politician it would be suicide.
We are happy with what we have. We are not in middle ages.

 

[JafarQureshi]

I haven't seen Indians jumping up and down for a part of Sindh or Punjab. Most of them don't even want to invade your side of Kashmir. I would prefer making LoC as IB though if I am an Indian politician it would be suicide.
We are happy with what we have. We are not in middle ages.

You may be but we are not happy with what we have.

 

[Arulmozhi Varman]

You may be but we are not happy with what we have.

That has bought downfall for many civilisation and countries in the past. You are welcome to try it and lose face yet again. And again.

 

[Nilgiri]

Lo ji.

For anyone who thought that resolving Kashmir would bring peace to the subcontinent. They aren't going to stop at Kashmir. They are gonna want everything eventually.

Just point and chuckle:

Admin:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...o-a-muslim-congregation.659724/#post-12199472

A "proposed" new mod:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/is-the-game-over-for-china.660893/#post-12222813

Both recent posts. Thumbs up stronk too!

@padamchen

Genie is long out of bottle w.r.t their psyche after a certain reality was harshly and quickly served in Dhaka...that too by such "1 of us is 10 of them" pagan infidels they look down on.

Religious dogma/zeal is used as needed to support it (and whole point of the national purity test formation concept)...when other times the haram dancing girls, booze and whatever else flows in same "top military clown stronk" environment. But I suppose any hypocrisy is fine once you simply "establish" a precept with your feelings that can be "aspired" to.

They thus similarly live with that indelible reality each time they see the world map and see certain flags.... but at other times forced to confront what their founding father would have last seen on map himself.

Aukat and izzat dissonance is a cruel persistent hangover when sobered up. There are few harsh choices to explore on the purity test founded upon....none of them good.....but its best to wish it away and/or stay hooked on the emotion dreaming totally.

People that are more sanguine and less affected by rush of blood to head antics can follow vein (similar to this topic supposition) of actual stoic analysis in this thread (before and after this strong post):

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/a-vi...losophy-doctrine.561888/page-10#post-12241332

 

[padamchen]

Lo ji.

For anyone who thought that resolving Kashmir would bring peace to the subcontinent. They aren't going to stop at Kashmir. They are gonna want everything eventually.

Pakistan was a strategic retreat and window period for the final aim of subcontinental Muslims.

They want a proper land bridge from west to east.

The aim being to bridge the Muslim middle east to the Muslim south east.

Only India stuck in their craw fir a millennium.

Just point and chuckle:

Admin:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...o-a-muslim-congregation.659724/#post-12199472

A "proposed" new mod:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/is-the-game-over-for-china.660893/#post-12222813

Both recent posts. Thumbs up stronk too!

@padamchen

Genie is long out of bottle w.r.t their psyche after a certain reality was harshly and quickly served in Dhaka...that too by such "1 of us is 10 of them" pagan infidels they look down on.

Religious dogma/zeal is used as needed to support it (and whole point of the national purity test formation concept)...when other times the haram dancing girls, booze and whatever else flows in same "top military clown stronk" environment. But I suppose any hypocrisy is fine once you simply "establish" a precept with your feelings that can be "aspired" to.

They thus similarly live with that indelible reality each time they see the world map and see certain flags.... but at other times forced to confront what their founding father would have last seen on map himself.

Aukat and izzat dissonance is a cruel persistent hangover when sobered up. There are few harsh choices to explore on the purity test founded upon....none of them good.....but its best to wish it away and/or stay hooked on the emotion dreaming totally.

People that are more sanguine and less affected by rush of blood to head antics can follow vein (similar to this topic supposition) of actual stoic analysis in this thread (before and after this strong post):

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/a-vi...losophy-doctrine.561888/page-10#post-12241332

I don't grudge them their mods.

They look down the barrel and take their pick.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Economy is going down for most nations of the world, people dying, government worrying about fiscal and financial health and all Pakistanis worry about everyday is getting territories which they don't have a right on. Some want Rajasthan, some Kutch, some Hyderabad bla bla.
This Wuhan Virus will suppress world economy for atleast 2 years. Let's be concerned on that. Not these fantasies.

There is nothing else to do but indulge in these nightmares.

I haven't seen Indians jumping up and down for a part of Sindh or Punjab. Most of them don't even want to invade your side of Kashmir. I would prefer making LoC as IB though if I am an Indian politician it would be suicide.
We are happy with what we have. We are not in middle ages.

Perhaps with a few rationalisations.

Haji Pir Pass, for instance; at present, it serves as a junction for transiting adventurers for their three months of life of adventure.

The Neelum Valley, for another; it only serves to site artillery bases for the other side, and the sooner this is taken away from them, the better.

@Armchair

Have you been infecting little Nightmare here? It sounds suspiciously familiar.

 

[T-123456]

HISTORICAL CASE FOR OUR CLAIM
1) These regions were once part of the Indus Valley civilisation,as the river Indus once passed there.
2)The Pathans of Gujarat were rulers of a number of princely states there, the main ones being Balasinor, Radhanpur, Palanpur and Junagadh and many many more.
3)There are a few million Kutchi and Kathiawari Gujarati living in Karachi. They are the among most the prominent Businessmen,Industrialists,Politicians and Philanthropists of the country.
4)The founder of the nation,Quaid e Azam was a Kathiawari Gujarati.
5)These regions are geographically and historically integrated to the mainland Pakistan.
6)The States Of Junagarh and Manawadar of Western Kathiawar agency joined Pakistan in 1947. The Nawab and his descendants reside in Karachi and still
claim to be the rightful Nawab of the state in ABSENTIA.

Junagarh -Tombs of the Nawabs

THE REASONS FOR INDIAN FEARS
1)Since our independence there has been no maritime boundary between Pakistan and India because of the pending issue of Sir Creek.
2)The unmarked maritime border between Sindh and Kutch allows free movement of fisherman from both sides resulting in arrests(Fish rich area).
3)The unmarked maritime border has resulted in several thousand square kilometres of disputed oceanic shelf, which is rumoured to be rich in oil and natural gas.
4)The sailing of an armed laden small boat from Karachi to Mumbai without interruption in 2008 can be a prelude to a bigger disaster in Kutch and Kathiawar in the future(Indian Sources).

Excerpts from CM Modi's letter(2012)
"During my recent visit to the coastal district of Kutch,Kathiawar( Saurashtra) region and the border districts of northern Gujarat, I found there is GENUINE FEAR among the people regarding their SAFETY and the SECURITY of the state of Gujarat. I am of the firm opinion that Kutch, Saurashtra and north Gujarat have vast potential of oil and gas, both offshore and onshore. Any attempt to hand over Sir Creek will be a STRATEGIC BLUNDER, considering the HISTORY and SENSITIVITY of the region."
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/nor...n-of-kutchmaritime-boundary-124418-2012-12-16

PAKISTAN'S MILITARY OPTIONS
The Kutch border with Sindh is the most fortified border after the LOC. Our military planners have already laid down some surprises for India,and Kutch-Kathiawar are no exception to it. Our experts in this forum have also written a lot on the mechanised military manoeuvres in the KUTCH region in their recent threads.
I will like to add my my two cents into it.
1)Before hostilities infiltrate as much supplies into the region as possible. Including arms,ammunition,medicines and rations etc and establish a solid intelligence network. Identify locals that are willing to collaborate. There are many that have fond memories of the Junagarh dynasty.
2)Activate the Hur Mujahid Force (HMF)by providing them with further training and hardware. The Hur jamaat has a lot of influence in the border areas adjacent to Pakistan. The light carriers and jeeps they operate are adequate to sprint in the Rann of Kutch as heavier military vehicles have a tendency to sink in the marshlands. The Hurs in the Mangrio,Malah and Rajar biradaries are boat specialists as well(fishermen by trade). The Hurs can be called upon in an hours notice.Their Patriotism and love for the motherland(dharti Maa) certainly does make me emotional.

Hurs assembling at the border.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1108686885558218753

Pir Pagaro leading his men to the border.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1108687752134979584

3) The Kutchi and Kathiawari Gujaratis(KKG) of Karachi are always the first ones to sign up for war volunteers when the need arises. Pak Navy has a lot of them. Their command on the Kutchi and Kathiawari dialects can be a useful resource when consolidating gains. A dedicated Brigade or two of these Pakistanis can be formed.
4) Expeditionary forces(EF) headed by a three star General of the Pakistan Army can be formed working under the principles laid down in the Combined Arms Doctrine.
5)The EF will constitute PA,PAF,PN,PN-Marines,SSG,SSGN,HMF,KKG,Sindh Rangers and local volunteers in Kutch-Kathiawar(LV).
6)Some out of the box solutions,stealth,blitzkrieg,innovative hardware and planning should be inducted.
a)Rapid deployment motor bike/quadbike Battalion just like the Iranians,armed with RPGs,MGs,AAMs and ATGMs.

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b)Inducting different variants of Drones and in particular considering SWARM DRONE TACTICS. The Chinese,Turks and US have done a lot of work on them.Each country deploying different methodologies.
https://www.swarm-troopers.com/chinese-swarming-aattack-drone-video/
c)Deploying the ZUBR class Hovercraft with the help of China and Ukraine. These beasts are a fortress in their own capacity and are a game changer.

d) Turboprops for CAS ,Mobile Mortar systems,SSGN Submarines and many many more latest innovative techniques and hardware can be inducted. Midget submarines can be useful for coastal specialist troop deployments and supplies.
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7)After initiation of hostilities Salients of Nagarparkar(Sindh),Kala dungar mountain(Kutch),Lakadia road Junction(Kutch)and Bhuj Airport should be consolidated for supplies and choking the Kathiawar region.(map borrowed from Signalian)

Various vectors from which different EFs are attacking :
1. The sea assault near Lakhpat,Jakhau,Mandvi,Pipar2. Landbridge from Badin and Sir Creek axis 3. Nagarparkar(Karoonjhar) over the lake to Lakadia jn 4. Nagarparkar(Karoonjhar) around the lake to Kala Dungar5. Heliborne and Paratroopers around Bhuj Airport.
CONCLUSION
The Indians know it in their bone that this assault will come one day. Its about time we reclaim our legitimate lands .With proper planning this GRAND victory will propel Pakistan to the new heights of GLORY.

So,Kashmir is just the beginning?

 

[JafarQureshi]

So,Kashmir is just the beginning?

Kashmir has always been the begining. Once Kashmir falls, India falls like a house of cards. There are many states in India where there is sizeable Muslim population. Check the northern area of India in green.

Once that green area falls under Pakistan, Pakistan will have a land border with Bangladesh.

That has bought downfall for many civilisation and countries in the past. You are welcome to try it and lose face yet again. And again.

You are already bleeding with multiple cuts and on death bed.

Pakistan was a strategic retreat and window period for the final aim of subcontinental Muslims.

They want a proper land bridge from west to east.

The aim being to bridge the Muslim middle east to the Muslim south east.

Only India stuck in their craw fir a millennium.

India, Myanmar & Thailand are important. Nepal and SriLanka will fall with no resistance.

 

[Arulmozhi Varman]

Kashmir has always been the begining. Once Kashmir falls, India falls like a house of cards. There are many states in India where there is sizeable Muslim population. Check the northern area of India in green.

Once that green area falls under Pakistan, Pakistan will have a land border with Bangladesh.


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You are already bleeding with multiple cuts and on death bed.



India, Myanmar & Thailand are important. Nepal and SriLanka will fall with no resistance.

You will reap what you sow. Age old Karmic philosophy. Best of luck.

 

[Signalian]

@Signalian @Gryphon @PanzerKiel


Kutchis are actually from Urdu Speaking/Muhajir community?

Yes I believe so.

 

[JafarQureshi]

You will reap what you sow. Age old Karmic philosophy. Best of luck.

We have sown Islam and we will reap more Islam to get rid of pagans from this world.

 

[Signalian]

Haji Pir Pass, for instance; at present, it serves as a junction for transiting adventurers for their three months of life of adventure.

The Neelum Valley, for another; it only serves to site artillery bases for the other side, and the sooner this is taken away from them, the better.

You have mentioned both areas where Pakistan forces are militarily weak for an offense but can put up a suitable defense now.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You have mentioned both areas where Pakistan forces are militarily weak for an offense but can put up a suitable defense now.

Good for them.

These objectives feature as additional objectives, not primary objectives, for the formations tasked with them. Assaults in mountainous terrains may need a superiority of as much as 9:1, so while plans had been prepared, a decision has not been taken. It will not be taken unless the resources are available AND COMMITTED.

Your troops in occupation of these two features have nothing to worry about. Nothing to worry about.

So,Kashmir is just the beginning?

Read the next post.

 

[T-123456]

Read the next post.

You cant be taking it serious.

 

[kongn]

This is not a serious forum.