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Kaveri engine to fly futuristic unmanned aircraft
Ajai Shukla / Bangalore Dec 26, 2012, 00:22 IST

The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO)’s faltering project to develop an indigenous jet engine has sparked to life again. With the Kaveri engine, born from this project, found short on power for the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), the ministry of defence (MoD) has nominated the Kaveri to power the hush-hush Unmanned Strike Air Vehicle (USAV), a pilot-less bomber aircraft that the DRDO is developing.

The veil of secrecy surrounding the USAV project was thrown off on December 10, when the defence minister told Parliament that, “(the) Kaveri spin-off engine can be used as a propulsion system for (the) Indian Unmanned Strike Air Vehicle.”

Already drones, or unmanned air vehicles (UAVs), are changing the nature of air power with their ability to strike targets without endangering pilots lives. USAVs are bigger, 8-10 tonne drones, akin to strike fighters in their ability to carry heavy weaponry including bombs, rockets and missiles. Since they are piloted by remote control, they can be built lighter, stealthier, and sent on even the most risky missions.

The Indian USAV project is a lease of life for the Kaveri engine. Although India will import jet engines worth Rs 1,60,000 crore over the next decade (DRDO projections) none of these can be used for the USAV. The Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) prohibits its 34 signatories — including every major engine manufacturing country — from selling engines for unmanned systems with ranges of over 300 kilometres.

An Indian jet engine, therefore, must power the USAV and the Kaveri is the only option. Although underpowered for fast-moving fighter aircraft, the DRDO believes the Kaveri is well suited for the USAV, which is lighter, flies slower and manoeuvres less sharply.

Business Standard visited the Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE), the DRDO laboratory that is developing the Kaveri engine. It reached a key landmark last year, when a prototype Kaveri was flight-tested in Russia at the Gromov Flight Research Institute (GFRI). The engine’s performance was measured on a “flying test-bed”, a four-engine IL-76 transport aircraft that had one of its original engines replaced with a Kaveri.

During this test the Kaveri did well, generating 49.2 KiloNewtons (KN) of “dry thrust”, marginally less than its target of 51 KN. But there was a serious shortfall in “wet thrust”; the Kaveri generated just 70.4 KN, well short of the targeted 81 KN.

(‘Dry thrust’ refers to the standard output of an engine in routine flight. ‘Wet thrust’ refers to the enhanced output that is generated when the fighter requires maximum power, eg during take-off or in aerial combat. Termed “lighting the afterburner”, this is achieved by pumping fuel into the engine’s exhaust.)

The Kaveri’s dry thrust is deemed adequate for the USAV, which does not require wet thrust since its survival depends on stealth (invisibility to radar) rather than on speed or manoeuvrability. The Kaveri will propel the USAV with dry thrust alone, eliminating the afterburner.

“Since the USAV will weigh less than 10 tonnes, the Kaveri’s 50 KN will suffice. And, with the afterburner removed, we would significantly reduce the weight of the Kaveri,” says a top DRDO scientist.

GTRE has a threefold plan for perfecting the Kaveri for the USAV. First, it will remove the design flaws that were detecting during testing in Russia in 2010-11; then, after ground testing in Bangalore, the Kaveri will undergo a round of confirmatory tests in Russia; finally, it will be fitted on a Tejas fighter for flight tests.

Meanwhile, the Bangalore-based Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE), another DRDO laboratory, will develop the USAV. Four years from today, the Kaveri — having proved itself on the Tejas — will be mated with the USAV.

“After extensive ground testing at GTRE, the Kaveri will go back to Russia for flight-testing to ascertain that all the problems have been solved. This is essential for airworthiness certification. Finally, we will test the Kaveri in the single-engine Tejas fighter,” says C P Ramnarayanan, director, GTRE.

The Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), which oversees the development of the Tejas, confirms that it will provide a Tejas prototype for flying with the Kaveri. It has even nominated an aircraft — the first prototype, numbered PV-1 — which is currently being used for flight-testing new systems.

(The PV-1) was originally built to support the Kaveri engine. While the engine, in its present form, would not suffice for the Tejas, a Kaveri “dry engine” could be used for one of the futuristic unmanned systems,” says P S Subramanyam, director, ADA.

GTRE has asked MoD for Rs 595 crore to develop the Kaveri dry engine for the USAV. This will fund the building of two new Kaveri engines, costing some Rs 50 crore each; and flight testing in Russia, which cost Rs 80 crore in 2010-11 and could cost significantly more now.

“We will take 48 months from the date we get clearance from the government, for completing 50 hours of testing the Kaveri on the Tejas LCA. During the last 12 months, we will actually fly the Tejas with the Kaveri,” says Ramnarayanan.

The defence minister told Parliament this month that the Kaveri project was sanctioned in March 1989 at a cost of Rs 382.8 crore and was to be completed by December 1996. This was revised (in 2005) to December 2009, while the cost was enhanced to Rs 2,839 crore. So far, Rs 1,996 crore has been actually spent on the Kaveri.

Defending the cost escalation, GTRE points out that comparable engines — such as the General Electric F-404 and the Russian Klimov RD-33 — cost the equivalent of Rs 8,000 crore to build in the 1990s, and would cost Rs 12,000-14,000 crore today.

DRDO has its fingers in all the pies - from developing OSes to making soldiers sitting on Siachen feel like they're on the beaches of Goa. A better project to take up would be to develop a flying test-bed, so that GTRE doesn't have to run to Russia each time to test their design. Cost saving. Imperative to encourage a strong Aero-engine devp environment for the future.
 
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how about stop such cheap talks and show me something real? similar talks have been going on for this rubbish engine for decades, what happened eventually?

losers talk
winners deliver results.

yea thats why engine/copying master not able to make JF-17 engine, buying more russian engines :) build engine for JF-17 then talk, oh yeas we heard you made but didnt able to fly JF-17 ....:)
 
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WS-10A flying with J-11B and prototype J-10B. Kaveri? Turned into drone engine because no one's crazy enough to fly an aircraft powered by it and it doesn't produce enough thrust to power anything bigger than a drone anyway. And that's only "the plan". Waiting to see if that works at all. Don't criticize Chinese engines; they are much better than your best. India criticizing China is like a fat, lazy potato chip-drunken sports fan criticizing a professional athlete.
 
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how about stop such cheap talks and show me something real? similar talks have been going on for this rubbish engine for decades, what happened eventually?

losers talk
winners deliver results.

.........50 cents propaganda army strikes again :coffee:...................

WS-10A flying with J-11B and prototype J-10B. Kaveri? Turned into drone engine because no one's crazy enough to fly an aircraft powered by it and it doesn't produce enough thrust to power anything bigger than a drone anyway. And that's only "the plan". Waiting to see if that works at all. Don't criticize Chinese engines; they are much better than your best. India criticizing China is like a fat, lazy potato chip-drunken sports fan criticizing a professional athlete.


.........50 cents propaganda army strikes again :coffee:...................

Kaveri engine to fly futuristic unmanned aircraft


DRDO has its fingers in all the pies - from developing OSes to making soldiers sitting on Siachen feel like they're on the beaches of Goa. A better project to take up would be to develop a flying test-bed, so that GTRE doesn't have to run to Russia each time to test their design. Cost saving. Imperative to encourage a strong Aero-engine devp environment for the future.

Which is why I am going to recommend that DRDO take you as its 'advisor' or 'Head'. ...... we are so lucky to have such eminent genius to advice us :enjoy:
 
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how about stop such cheap talks and show me something real? similar talks have been going on for this rubbish engine for decades, what happened eventually?

losers talk
winners deliver results.

We do not have to show you anything, what makes you think you are so important that we will satisfy your ego?
 
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Oh, haha, 40 years to develop an engine! Is that a problem? In 2012, China has a turbofan engine powering operating jets and India does not. It took us 40 years to make one but it took the Indians far longer to even begin. How backwards! In the end, it doesn't matter if we take 4 years or 40 or 4000 because the fact is, now we can make one that powers jets and you can't; that's it. I am 50 cent army? Whatever say, buddy but 50 cents are more than what the non-flying Indian engines are worth.

Anyway, you can argue with me and Chinese guys on here all you want, curry boys, but unfortunately for your big mouths, you cannot argue with your engine to make it work!
 
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Oh, haha, 40 years to develop an engine! Is that a problem? In 2012, China has a turbofan engine powering operating jets and India does not. It took us 40 years to make one but it took the Indians far longer to even begin. How backwards! In the end, it doesn't matter if we take 4 years or 40 or 4000 because the fact is, now we can make one that powers jets and you can't; that's it. I am 50 cent army? Whatever say, buddy but 50 cents are more than what the non-flying Indian engines are worth.

Anyway, you can argue with me and Chinese guys on here all you want, curry boys, but unfortunately for your big mouths, you cannot argue with your engine to make it work!

Actually more than 40 years. You abandoned a project because you could not complete it :P Losers! Then restarted Then 40 yrs. Even then no.....russian engines required! Losers! You can talk all you want. But the truth is you are still dependent on the Russians for engines! Losers! More time than India working on an engine project, yet Russian engine! Losers!

You got caught on a topic with your pants down :P More than 50 yrs still Russian engine. Atleast we did not abandon the project :P and are using it :P You guys quit! Losers and Quitters! Still you need Russian engines :D
 
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Oh, haha, 40 years to develop an engine! Is that a problem? In 2012, China has a turbofan engine powering operating jets and India does not. It took us 40 years to make one but it took the Indians far longer to even begin. How backwards! In the end, it doesn't matter if we take 4 years or 40 or 4000 because the fact is, now we can make one that powers jets and you can't; that's it. I am 50 cent army? Whatever say, buddy but 50 cents are more than what the non-flying Indian engines are worth.

Anyway, you can argue with me and Chinese guys on here all you want, curry boys, but unfortunately for your big mouths, you cannot argue with your engine to make it work!

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Oh, haha, 40 years to develop an engine! Is that a problem? In 2012, China has a turbofan engine powering operating jets and India does not. It took us 40 years to make one but it took the Indians far longer to even begin. How backwards! In the end, it doesn't matter if we take 4 years or 40 or 4000 because the fact is, now we can make one that powers jets and you can't; that's it. I am 50 cent army? Whatever say, buddy but 50 cents are more than what the non-flying Indian engines are worth.

Anyway, you can argue with me and Chinese guys on here all you want, curry boys, but unfortunately for your big mouths, you cannot argue with your engine to make it work!

...............50 cents propaganda army strikes again :coffee:......................
 
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how about stop such cheap talks and show me something real? similar talks have been going on for this rubbish engine for decades, what happened eventually?

losers talk
winners deliver results.

Tell me when a fighter lands on your casino deck.. !!!

WS-10A flying with J-11B and prototype J-10B. Kaveri? Turned into drone engine because no one's crazy enough to fly an aircraft powered by it and it doesn't produce enough thrust to power anything bigger than a drone anyway. And that's only "the plan". Waiting to see if that works at all. Don't criticize Chinese engines; they are much better than your best. India criticizing China is like a fat, lazy potato chip-drunken sports fan criticizing a professional athlete.

Tell this cr@p to the guy who is gonna sign Su-35 deal soon :woot:
 
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Oh, haha, 40 years to develop an engine! Is that a problem? In 2012, China has a turbofan engine powering operating jets and India does not. It took us 40 years to make one but it took the Indians far longer to even begin. How backwards! In the end, it doesn't matter if we take 4 years or 40 or 4000 because the fact is, now we can make one that powers jets and you can't; that's it. I am 50 cent army? Whatever say, buddy but 50 cents are more than what the non-flying Indian engines are worth.

Anyway, you can argue with me and Chinese guys on here all you want, curry boys, but unfortunately for your big mouths, you cannot argue with your engine to make it work!

Yes we know your Engine is ready and flying thats why its not able to fly JF-17 ..... in PAF till now....one wonders which engine is ready ?
 
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