I have gotten really tired of you and your stupidity. This is probably my last post because this is like talking to a cow.
1. It is obvious to everyone that China is far ahead of India on engine development. Any attempt to deny this truth is like whistling then you pass a graveyard to make yourself feel less scared. It is common knowledge. Anyone saying otherwise is purely bullshxting.
Show any engine which you have made successfully? your WS-10B is failed , how can you be advance , because you have project ,
Is your WS-10B engine lasted more then 30 hours?, If Yes show? I have showed you your advance research cant make decent engine which can lasted for more then 30 Hours.
You are so stupid your production engine (2007) failed and only worked for 30 hours in (2009) , you called this a successful engine. This year is 2013 (starting) we have haven't heard that , the new engine can work more then 30 hours.
India didn't started producing engine and still in developing phase and you claims it failed while Chinese engine which is went into production fails at 30 hours claims to be superior ? what is your logic
Rest engines are in development state, since when you didnt make any engine which can work ,how can you claim you have more advance?
I already proved you your WS-10 is failed and stopped , WS-10A is failed and stopped , tell you which else you are flying today?
2. Afterburner, whether it be software or hardware, is going to be absent from Kaveri, and it will not be improved. therefore, although this engine continues to be developed, it is no longer developed as a fighter jet engine (because all fighter jet engines had afterburner). WS-13A continues to be developed as a jet engine with afterburner; they are in different leagues.
Buddy every engine has Core, and that With that Engine Core many other types of engines can be developed, Kaveri Engine Core"Kabini" is now powering Indian Navy Ship, Indian Railways also planning to use that Kaveri Engine for its Engines, It dosen't means that Railways engine will be power with Jet engine throwing flames behind.
If i told you this you will start thing Indian Rail engine will though fire from behind after installing Jet engine
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Buddy , you get first knowledge about Jet engine , before you argue with something.
As for knowledge , Kaveri Engine will be also continue to be develop with afterburner , get you knowledge right? OK
3. Just because China doesn't release actual yearly figures and announce all of their progress, you assume China put a 30-hour engine into service? Do you know how incompetent someone has to be to put a 30-hour engine into service? If only your military leaders would underestimate China by this much as well.
You called it incompetent , Figure states , Went into Production in 2007 and in 2009 the company claims that it cant last more then 30 hours. First question why went into production at all? just for showing to work that we can make engine .
This interview given by Company itself. Not by you and me. Thats why you still buys engine from russia for jets.
4. You selectively believe quotes and sources based on whether they make you feel better or worse. That's pretty obvious because the WS-10A improvement quote and the 30-hour quote were taken from the SAME source but you only want to believe the 30-hour quote and you think that quote lasts forever even though it was 3-4 years old. You believe Wikipedia figures if it makes India look good, but you don't believe official figures if they confirm China's achievements.
If you Have good english, that is not quote is assumption made in writing that is possible/happen . not a interview/official statement.
Why when company can give interview stating about engine lack of performance , dont you that will also give when they achieved that engine ? you are thing that company is dumb ? not giving engine success news?
The statement shows that even after years , engine research reached more, but not at that level which Russian engines are currently.
5. I realize of course, English is not a fluent language (didn't need you to tell me LOL) to you but it's hard to understand most of your sentences. Some of them are so bad, it's funny to read them again and again. If you are this bad, you should probably learn more English or go to an Indian language forum. It's tiring to read what you write and I'm sure there are things people wrote that you cannot understand either because you can't grasp a point that is clearly explained to you.
But you english is good , but you fail to back you claim by any evidence, scientific details. only talk on assumption.
6. You dug up a 2009 article on the F-22? That's too old and dead. It was an initial thought, but was overruled. Japan offered $350 million per F-22 (downgraded version) but the final decision was that the F-22 cannot be exported. Currently, there are no active notions to export the F-22. You were wrong again on basic information (you thought F-22 would be sold) and you tried to cover it up with a faulty source. Pathetic.
Everything take times, US wont give F-22 until they got develop new technology. it doesn't meant F-22 cant be exported for ever.
7. Engine success: If the country uses it in operation, it is successful. If it will never power a fighter jet, it is failed. WS-10A is operational and in production = success. Kaveri will never power any fighter jet, maybe a drone = failed (for original purpose, but possibly success for lesser purpose). This concept is really easy for most people to understand. If you don't understand this, you should probably go jump in a river and hope you get reincarnated into a cockroach with more intelligence.
if this is your criteria then India is better,
WS-10; Is this flying any PLane?
NO = Failed (China WS-13 Engine Failed)
WS-10A 2007 started production ( Why that engine gone into production, So your successful engine only last for 30 hours)
WS-10A - 2009; Can last more then 30 Hours =
Failed engine WS-10A
India never went in a engine into production which cant meet any international Successful engine criteria. What a Chinese way to call success a 30 Hr engine life went into production.
8.China copies fighters? Heh heh, guilty! We do whatever we need to do to make a powerful military. Rules are for games, fool. The military is not a game; it is about survival so the "no copying" rule does not apply. The military's role is to to protect the nation at all costs, doing whatever is necessary. We copy, steal, hack and then we innovate too because this is about staying alive when other countries build weapons to kill you. And you want to follow the intellectual property rules that those countries made? Imagine someone kicking your face into the ground, injuring you with every successive stomp, and when you use your hands to remove his boot from your bloody face, he says, "Hey, hey, no hands, no hands!" And you are stupid enough to say, "Oh, sorry about that." To sum up, river, reincarnated, cockroach, smarter. Do it.
Buddy , copying cant make equals to originals, Follows cant be leaders and when China is trying to Copy F-22 US technology, US is making more advance plane , China is always remain behind and get beaten.
India can have best technology available in market.
9. K-10? Where's the prototype? Where's a picture? No picture, no prototype, no testing = doesn't exist. It is sooo Indian to brag about an engine that doesn't even have a prototype yet!
It is under development, Prototype is build and fly you will see
When build we can show fly n test.
In any case, I've wasted more than enough time on you. You're clearly too stupid to learn as there are simple notions like number 1 and 7 that I've had to explain to you no less than 5 times while it comes as common sense to most people. Work more, talk less, and maybe one day, India will fly a jet with an indigenous engine instead of criticizing people who have succeeded in doing that without the capability themselves. Last post on your cow-manure brain, good day.
You talking about nothing but garbage and non-sense without logic and without making facts and figures. a
nd cant tell WS-13A , how went a failed engine into production? explain that?
Your criteria , of successful engine = production ( even the production engine failed) WS-10A=Successful (30 hours life)
No one in the world other then Chinese who can do production of failed engine,
India Criteria
develop => Test=>Continuos develop =>Test (Meet Parameters ) => production
China Criteria:
Develop=> Production(WS10) Failed= Develop (WS10A)=> production => Test
