India's Tejas Fighter Tests Mid-Air Refueling For The First Time

[Crixus]

We are OK with failures ....

Come over to the thread with the latest news on your Arjun tank everybody is cracking up

 

[KapitaanAli]

The IAF is already overpopulated and overburdened with systems from too many different vendors leading to integration and training nightmares.

The Yes men are running the show, whilst true warfighters are moving onto airlines in frustration.

An ideal air force should have minimum possible types, but I think that countries without high end homemade fighters will gain from having too many types in wartime.

It's a nightmare to both sides. A bitter pill to swallow for a couple more decades.

 

[SQ8]

An ideal air force should have minimum possible types, but I think that countries without high end homemade fighters will gain from having too many types in wartime.

It's a nightmare to both sides. A bitter pill to swallow for a couple more decades.

India is ripe and ready for homemade programs. What is needed is cultural and not necessarily skillset change or assistance.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

bravo our boy made it

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Congrats India.

 

[Laozi]

No one would laugh if you wernt such loud mouth clowns proclaiming the coming of the desert ferrari, then going into full denial mode when presented with facts

The same with this junk called Tejas, how many times have indians attacked the
Jf 17 only for Pakistan to be heading towards block 3 and 150 fighters whilst you have your squadron of 8


Your lucky you indian's are just getting laughed at after years of chest thumping and boasting

Facts are you are either successful or unsuccessful if you try. Either way you learn and improve.

What technological advancement has Pakistan achieved in recent past ? Every tests for jf 17 has been carried out by your all weather friend. All you can do is to redicule others while riding on Chinese glories.

 

[Imran Khan]

 

[punit]

We Are laughing at you from last 3 decades and still TEJA Bahi is no where....

well consult ur eye doctor or better a shrink. may help.

chup karo !!

India is ripe and ready for homemade programs. What is needed is cultural and not necessarily skillset change or assistance.

we need Pvt Players in the arena, Hopefully in next 10 years pvt defense companies will be matured enough to kick out the dead weight HAL.

 

[aman_rai0007]

And In that process nearly 40 years passed and you became obsolete.

What a idiot... How come Tejas is obsolete if your it's having the same specs as your jf...
If Tejas is outdated so is jf

 

[ayesha.a]

The IAF is already overpopulated and overburdened with systems from too many different vendors leading to integration and training nightmares.

The Yes men are running the show, whilst true warfighters are moving onto airlines in frustration.

That's not entirely untrue, however there is another side to that. Having several different platforms makes the enemies' training complicated as well, since they cannot know what to expect to encounter in a fight. Applies to fighter jets, missiles, EW equipment...

The homegrown integrated communication and detection networks are also helping with much better and easier integration. The DRDO labs like BEL has silently done some stellar work on that front in the past few years. For example, check out the recent brouhaha over India signing the COMCASA, and the details about how they plan to interface many existing systems. (That is, if you can find good quality articles in the media - I wouldn't hold my breath on that.) It will give an insight into how the military is dealing with the issues you mention.

Also, in my understanding (although I cannot vouch for this), having 2 squadrons of a certain platform is enough to justify the training and support costs, in the Indian ecosystem. (The details are complex, and only the general staff can really attest.)

But yes, your point is not without merit - there has been some horrendous, haphazard planning and purchases, especially since the 1980s.

 

[My-Analogous]

NEW DELHI:

In a big step in its development cycle, a made-in-India Tejas fighter jet today refueled mid-air from an Indian Air Force tanker aircraft for the first time.

The sortie, flown by test pilot Group Captain Rajeev Joshi of the National Flight Test Centre, is a key step in expanding the range of the single engine fighter for it to receive its Final Operational Clearance (FOC) certificate.

The test conducted on Tuesday, shortly after 1 pm, involved a 'dry' link up. In other words, there was no fuel which was actually exchanged between the Indian Air Force Il-78 tanker and the Tejas fighter through its air-to-air refuelling probe. Nine further tests will be conducted to validate this capability including 'wet' tests when fuel is transferred from the tanker to the fighter. The air-to-air refuelling probe of the Tejas has been designed by the international aerospace systems major Cobham.

According to sources, the Tejas fighter perfectly replicated computer simulations of mid-air refuelling which have been carried out on the ground by engineers associated with the Tejas programme.

There are still a handful of development strides that the Tejas needs to achieve to be the multi-role jet the Indian Air Force seeks.

The Indian Air Force (IAF) currently operates nine Tejas fighters built to an Initial Operating Clearance (IOC) standard. These jets are being flown by No. 45 Squadron, the Flying Daggers, based at Sulur Air Force Station in Tamil Nadu.

The IAF has 40 Tejas Mk1 fighters on order and will acquire another 83 Tejas Mk-1A fighters which will be more capable than the handful of fighters which have been developed. Recently, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), which manufactures the jet, has said the cost of each Tejas Mk-1A will be Rs.463 cores, a figure which is being reviewed by the Ministry of Defence, before a contract is signed.
A more sophisticated variant of the jet, the Tejas Mk-2 is also under development but is unlikely to fly before 2022. Simultaneously, 2 Navy prototypes of the Tejas are also being tested. These will conduct trials off the deck of the Indian Navy's aircraft carrier, INS Vikramaditya, by the end of the year. If these tests are successful, a more advanced variant of the Navy Tejas may be cleared for production to fly off India's aircraft carriers.

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There are still a handful of development strides that the Tejas needs to achieve to be the multi-role jet the Indian Air Force seeks. Though Israeli built Derby air-to-air missiles have been successfully integrated onto the Tejas, the jet still needs to integrate a Russian built GSh-23 gun besides expanding its flight envelope. Simultaneously, the Tejas needs to be more easy to maintain, a process that engineers at Hindustan Aeronautics are working on. Pilots at the National Flight Test Centre will also be testing the Tejas's low-speed recovery system, a safety feature designed to automatically increase thrust to the engine in the event that the fighter is flown at close to the speed at which it can stall mid-air.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/tej...r-the-first-time-1911143?pfrom=home-topscroll

No doubt, LCA is a project of century

What a idiot... How come Tejas is obsolete if your it's having the same specs as your jf...
If Tejas is outdated so is jf

Are you talking about 100+ fighters?. LCA is way behind in the race.

 

[SQ8]

That's not entirely untrue, however there is another side to that. Having several different platforms makes the enemies' training complicated as well, since they cannot know what to expect to encounter in a fight. Applies to fighter jets, missiles, EW equipment...

The homegrown integrated communication and detection networks are also helping with much better and easier integration. The DRDO labs like BEL has silently done some stellar work on that front in the past few years. For example, check out the recent brouhaha over India signing the COMCASA, and the details about how they plan to interface many existing systems. (That is, if you can find good quality articles in the media - I wouldn't hold my breath on that.) It will give an insight into how the military is dealing with the issues you mention.

Also, in my understanding (although I cannot vouch for this), having 2 squadrons of a certain platform is enough to justify the training and support costs, in the Indian ecosystem. (The details are complex, and only the general staff can really attest.)

But yes, your point is not without merit - there has been some horrendous, haphazard planning and purchases, especially since the 1980s.

Ive seen BEL equipment and parts used for reverse engineering in Pakistan as well, good stuff.
But it still does not bode well that the IAF is currently running a hodgepodge of equipment and associated training overheads. It seems there are two extremes in the IAF operating its ASR’s where one advocates for one equipment policy and the other for another.
Eg
While good steps have been taken in base camouflage the opposite is done with electronic and defense structures standing out like a sore eye.
Almost as if the true adversary of the IaF is the IAF.

 

[Hindustani78]

What a idiot... How come Tejas is obsolete if your it's having the same specs as your jf...
If Tejas is outdated so is jf

Pakistan Airforce is having Russian long range transport plane, does Pakistan Air Force having Chinese long range transport Plane ?

 

[aman_rai0007]

Are you talking about 100+ fighters?. LCA is way behind in the race.

Only advantage that jf has over Tejas is numbers... And for that we have plenty of other jets

 

[Storm Force]

Are you talking about 100+ fighters?. LCA is way behind in the race.

We have 250 flankers and majority are Indian built . So .whose behind who