India’s phonemakers cry foul on Chinese rivals

[tw00tw00]

Years ago, Nokia invested in a major assembly facility in India, and yet no component ecosystem was developed around it. What does that say about India?

 

[sinait]

Pricing is only 'predatory' when you have domestic competitors that can produce equivalent products. But as you admitted earlier: India is "not an electronics hub, it's no secret".
I can read hanzi. I'm from Singapore, and we even use the same set of simplified Chinese characters used by the PRC!

They mean you are not Chinese as in you are not from PRC. so you are more like "Singaporean analyst of India". So this view of India is International, not a China vs India kind of thing.

 

[tw00tw00]

The crappy ones you wrote about are bad because the profit margins on them are very low due to cheap price.

Indians are too cheap, and Indian traders are cheaper still. They always buy what other people throw away, and they never pay for quality. Even African traders in China occasionally pay for quality when they have the funds, but Indian traders never.

we are not an electronics hub, it's no secret. Electronics industry needs a very high capital for set-up to achieve the scale required to have the market witness predatory pricing like we do from the Chinese companies

Electronics industry is knowledge-intensive. The design and fabrication of electronic components, from SoC to displays to memory to sensors, demand an incredibly skilled workforce at all stages of the ecosystem. India can only assemble phones from components imported from China, and even the assembly has to be done in factories set up by the Chinese.

Just what have the Indian IITs and universities been doing all these years?

 

[RoadRunner401]

executives are alarmed by the huge scale of an ongoing Chinese advertising drive: on billboards across the country, Bollywood heart-throb Deepika Padukone can be seen clutching an Oppo handset, while Indian cricket captain Virat Kohli gazes at a phone from Shenzhen-based Gionee.

The Chinese companies’ focus on India reflects the huge recent growth of its smartphone market. Last year, 109m smartphones were shipped in the country, according to IDC, well more than double the number three years before.

“Their spending is too high,” said Pradeep Jain, founder of Karbonn Mobile,

So, Chinese knows the value of advertisement and are using it to increase there market share, while Indian companies don't want to spend money on advertisement that's Chinese fault?

 

[graphican]

I've bought Xiomi Redmi 4x few days ago - it is by far the best phone I have ever used. I have previously used Samsung, Sony, Motorola, iPhone, Nexus, Nokia and few other Chinese brands too.

Lenovo and Xiomi are not just uprooting Indian manufacturers, they are an unstoppable force in devices/mobile world. Wherever they will go, they will rule those markets.

Where is my friend's flag - let me wave it for them this time

 

[paritosh]

Electronics industry is knowledge-intensive. The design and fabrication of electronic components, from SoC to displays to memory to sensors, demand an incredibly skilled workforce at all stages of the ecosystem. India can only assemble phones from components imported from China, and even the assembly has to be done in factories set up by the Chinese.

Just what have the Indian IITs and universities been doing all these years?

You are comparing R&D expertise with commercial viability. IITs research cuting-edge concepts across domains electronics included, but a steep capex along with a long profitability gestation period prevents Indian companies from investing in commercial manufacture of electronic goods.
Similar cases are observed with heavy engineering equipment. 5/10 times we purchase chinese industrial produce, 3/10 we manufacture and 2/10 we buy quality goods from western europe/Japan.
In emerging economies, a price differential is the only true differential. That's why we have a booming healthcare and pharmaceutical industry.

IITs have their place as the meccas of tech. breakthroughs (and brain drain), financial viability considering the macro/micro economic conditions in a market result in the lack of will to invest and compete.

 

[tw00tw00]

You are comparing R&D expertise with commercial viability. IITs research cuting-edge concepts across domains electronics included, but a steep capex along with a long profitability gestation period prevents Indian companies from investing in commercial manufacture of electronic goods.
Similar cases are observed with heavy engineering equipment. 5/10 times we purchase chinese industrial produce, 3/10 we manufacture and 2/10 we buy quality goods from western europe/Japan.
In emerging economies, a price differential is the only true differential. That's why we have a booming healthcare and pharmaceutical industry.

IITs have their place as the meccas of tech. breakthroughs (and brain drain), financial viability considering the macro/micro economic conditions in a market result in the lack of will to invest and compete.

Actually, you are confused. My question was what have the Indian universities and IITs been doing all these years in terms of educating and training qualified personnel. It seems to me that India doesn't have nearly enough people skilled and educated enough for designing and fabricating semiconductors, displays, and other components that go into a modern electronic device.

Speaking of R&D, could you provide some statistics on international patent filings by IITs and other Indian universities? It seems their R&D activities are minimal compared to Europe, China, Japan, Singapore, or America.

 

[ashok321]

Chinese phones to are as crapy as Indian brands,its just that they offer couple of features more than the Indian brands.and after service chinese brands live up to their name as there is none compared to other brands..

Why cant the Indians do the same is the million dollar question.
And thats why you see this kind of thread being opened.

we are not an electronics hub, it's no secret. Electronics industry needs a very high capital for set-up to achieve the scale required to have the market witness predatory pricing like we do from the Chinese companies

South Korea was quasi bankrupt in 70s...
If they can come up, why not Indians?
Now please don't shift the blame on previous governments, who were voted in by Indians alone, and not Pakistanis.

 

[AndrewJin]

Indians' purchasing power is extremely low.

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But the truth is, the premium smartphone market in India is extremely thin.

As per Gartner, the Average Selling Price (ASP) of smartphones in India is $70 and smartphones under $120 contribute around 50% of overall smartphone sales here. Now consider the pricing of the new smartphones launched in China. The Mi Note 2 starts selling at $413 and goes all the way to $516 for the high-end variant. The Mi Mix starts at $516 and goes till $590 for the high-end variant. Lastly, the Mi 5s is priced at $295 for the base variant and goes all the way to $385 for the high-end Mi 5s Plus.

In China top 5 bestsellers are all above $350, but Xiaomi has to focus on those models cheaper than $200 in india. One Plus 3 is even considered expensive in india.

Huawei too has to dump those cheapest models in india but has launched numerous models in Europe which are more expensive than $500.

The smart phone sales number in india seems high, (total shipment of 2016 finally reached China's one quarter shipment), profits are slim.

 

[I S I]

http://www.indiatimes.com/news/indi...mand-for-tricolours-made-in-china-259952.html

Chinese Incursion On Indian Flag Industry: Huge Demand for Tricolours ‘Made In China’

INDIATIMES/TARIQUE ANWAR

While the country is going high on Make in India, the presence of national flags with ‘Made in China’ tag make a sorry statement of ground realities.

The Chinese version of the Tricolour has overwhelmed India-made ones these days in Delhi’s markets as buyers prefer them over the Indian ones.

INDIATIMES/TARIQUE ANWAR


But why is this?
Indian manufacturers of national flags are losing out to Chinese imports because of at least 30-35 percent price differential.

Invasion of cheaper, durable and finely printed China-made Indian flags is making the survival difficult for small Indian manufacturers. And therefore, local manufacturers have also begun using the same material used in Indian flags made in China. But in the bid of copying, they fail to match the finishing.

INDIATIMES/TARIQUE ANWAR

While locally made paper flags measuring 4x6 feet, 6x9 feet, 8x12 feet cost retailers Rs 130, Rs 150 and Rs 250 per hundred pieces respectively, the Chinese once cost them Rs 90, Rs 120 and Rs 220. In addition, because of the attractive and fine quality, the demands of the latter are also higher.

INDIATIMES/TARIQUE ANWAR

Similarly while the original Tricolour of the Indian make is costly, made from hand spun khadi, cotton and silk, buyers can now opt for a cheaper cotton Chinese version. China-made cloth flags measuring 10x15 inch costs retailers Rs 15 per piece, 20x30 inch costs Rs 30 per piece and 24x36 inch costs Rs 45 per piece. On the other hand, the flags of same measurements made in India cost Rs 20, Rs 35 and Rs 50.

The total turnover of the flag market in the national capital stands somewhere at Rs 4-5 crore.

INDIATIMES/TARIQUE ANWAR


“Demand of China-made Indian flags is higher because of its high quality and cheaper prices. As a result, Indian manufacturers are facing huge losses as only about quarter of their products find buyers,” Manoj Kumar Garg, a wholesale supplier of national flags at Delhi’s Sadar Bazaar, told Indiatimes.

Interestingly, during the anti-corruption movement led by Anna Hazare, there was a huge demand for the ‘Made in China’ Indian flags. But in their frenzy to raise slogans, he said, protesters didn't realise that the Tricolour they were waving with gusto were fake versions or a pale imitation of the original flag

INDIATIMES/TARIQUE ANWAR

According to the Indian Flag Code of India, our national emblem, the Ashok Chakra—a 24-spoke wheel—is present on the flag, representing the eternal wheel of law. “However, some protesters realized to their utter horror that the flags they were patriotically waving had only 18 spokes instead of 24,” said Garg, who is involved in the business for the past 15 years.

Some blamed the rise in price of raw materials like good quality paper, cloths, etc for slack in their business. “Chinese manufacturers use a polyester type smooth material to make the flag. Also, the flag is held up with the help of a plastic stick. Though we are giving a tough competition to Chinese manufacturers in terms of quality and printing but we fail to beat their prices because of the skyrocketing prices of materials required,” said Abdul Ghaffar Ansari who deals in all kind of flags for the past 45 years.

INDIATIMES/TARIQUE ANWAR

He claimed that the khadi flags are not being sold in large quantities because of its limited supply. In schools, paper made flags are quite popular. Even here, Chinese manufacturers use hard and laminated papers with fine quality of printing if compared to Indian manufacturers.

INDIATIMES/TARIQUE ANWAR

He said the flags manufactured by him and others are supplied to the market for public consumption.

It does not go to government establishment because the flags used hoisted there are made up of hand spun khadi. The only authorised unit in India to manufacture and supply national flags to government departments is the Karnataka Khadi and Gramodyoga Samyukta Sangh (Federation) (KKGSSF), which is located in Bengeri village in Dharwad district of northern Karnataka

LOL

 

[AndrewJin]

VIVO and Gionee on the rapid rise!

 

[ashok321]

Lol

 

[AndrewJin]

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Non-A/C bus in India where it is easily 40+ degree???

 

[I S I]

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Bus conductors becomes Therapists sometimes in India.

 

[ashok321]

Non-A/C bus in India where it is easily 40+ degree???

Poor Indians can not afford AC buses due to low income.
Hence the following:
AC buses in Mumbai discontinued.
This is Modi's India.
And they are laughing upon neighbor a la Pakistan.
Summer scorcher: BEST AC buses off the road from today: