India's navy using the Chabahar port

[Viper0011.]

India can use the facility to monitor Pakistani & Chinese activities in the Indian Ocean Region as well as Gulf. It could be convenient location for India to monitor activities of Pakistani Navy.

Why this Iran port is important - timesofindia-economictimes

Iran offers India control of strategic Chabahar Port

So.....??? And....??? India is ONLY about 1 hour 45 minutes flight on a sub-sonic plane away from Karachi (Mumbai port vs. Karachi port). Its a few hundred miles worth of distance. So what's the big deal if they come to the Chahabar port too??? Either way, the proximity is close. In fact, a few ships, 80 miles away can easily be targeted through various munitions in a war.
If this is for peace time showoff...who cares? Pakistan should focus on her trade and economy, keep the system working and work hard. Let 2018 to come when majority of the electric production projects would start. And then let 2020 come when there will be significant orders for military expansion, made by Pakistan to provide protection to her trade customers good and shipments, and to secure her own trade routes. When you see PN gaining about 40-50% more muscle and the PAF at the same time gaining about 30-40% more numbers and all 4th Gen++, does India really matter? No, she doesn't!!! But you guys need to focus on your own country and let it grow. India can go wherever they want to....

 

[TruthPrevails]

So now tell me how the hell is Miss India going to juxtapose itself by being sleeping with USA, getting boned by Isreal from behind and at the same time wanting to give Iran a blow job?

The same way like Ms. PAK is juxtaposing by stripping for China, while twerking for USA and waiting to sleep and give blowjob to Russia

 

[Echo_419]

What are you blabbing on about? The real Ottoman's were masters of strategy. Why not do your name some proud by displaying some sense. Lets look at some facts.

The number one enemy of Isreal and USA is Iran in this region. If your oblivious of this fact there is not much pont in wasting any time on you. Corollary to that is Saudia Arabia is America's trusted ally and Iran hater. So the equation starts looking like this.

Isreal + USA + Saudia Arabia versus Iran.

In the last decade India has moved closer and closer to USA and Isreal. India is the biggest buyer of Isreali defence products.

Isreal + India

So now tell me how the hell is Miss India going to juxtapose itself by being sleeping with USA, getting boned by Isreal from behind and at the same time wanting to give Iran a blow job?

There is no way Iran will allow any of it's bases being used against Pakistan. The Iranians have had history of being abused by outside powers and now are extremely, in fact too extremely averse to any country basing any military base in their country. Also Iran know's India ia b*tch of a country and will sell Iran down the tube as it did with the vote against Iran at the UN, as it did with the oil pipeline project when India followed US orders.

"But in her book 'Hard Choices' that hit the stores today, Clinton discloses that her visit to India was with the sole purpose of convincing New Delhi to reduce its dependence on Iranian oil, which was successful by the end of her trip."

Hillary Clinton visited Delhi to convince India on Iran - The Times of India


"WASHINGTON: Outlining how as America's top diplomat she persuaded energy-hungry countries like India to back sanctions against Iran, Hillary Clinton says she would be willing to use force to keep Tehran from getting the bomb"


Tough-talking Hillary Clinton says she persuaded India to back Iran sanctions - The Economic Times

This shows you how close India and USA are and are getting even closer. Iran knows this. Whatever little there is between Iran is just transactional relationship. Iran knows's India strategic partner is USA the very country that was threatening to attack Iran.

You will see over the next decade Pakistan going toward a Russian - Chinese orbit and Iran will be somewhere on the outer reaches of this planetary system unless you expect Iran will jump in with Isreal, USA, India combine.

You really are a TT

 

[OTTOMAN]

So.....??? And....??? India is ONLY about 1 hour 45 minutes flight on a sub-sonic plane away from Karachi (Mumbai port vs. Karachi port). Its a few hundred miles worth of distance. So what's the big deal if they come to the Chahabar port too??? Either way, the proximity is close. In fact, a few ships, 80 miles away can easily be targeted through various munitions in a war.
If this is for peace time showoff...who cares? Pakistan should focus on her trade and economy, keep the system working and work hard. Let 2018 to come when majority of the electric production projects would start. And then let 2020 come when there will be significant orders for military expansion, made by Pakistan to provide protection to her trade customers good and shipments, and to secure her own trade routes. When you see PN gaining about 40-50% more muscle and the PAF at the same time gaining about 30-40% more numbers and all 4th Gen++, does India really matter? No, she doesn't!!! But you guys need to focus on your own country and let it grow. India can go wherever they want to....

At least some one is arguing..... living in US have had positive change in you.
At least you learned there is no point in courting me... better to comment on topic instead of Saudi Arabia.
On topic... of course nothing is happening on surface but this is how you classify enemies from friends and plan your strategic policies accordingly.

As reference you know the saga of China building airstrip in south China sea!
It's far away from Japan and US but they felt most threatened of it!
How do you fit your distance analogy visa vi to China island controversy? You think US & Japan are being unreasonable here?

You really are a TT

Comeon you know it all....

 

[OTTOMAN]

What are you blabbing on about? The real Ottoman's were masters of strategy. Why not do your name some proud by displaying some sense. Lets look at some facts.

The number one enemy of Isreal and USA is Iran in this region. If your oblivious of this fact there is not much pont in wasting any time on you. Corollary to that is Saudia Arabia is America's trusted ally and Iran hater. So the equation starts looking like this.

Isreal + USA + Saudia Arabia versus Iran.

In the last decade India has moved closer and closer to USA and Isreal. India is the biggest buyer of Isreali defence products.

Isreal + India

So now tell me how the hell is Miss India going to juxtapose itself by being sleeping with USA, getting boned by Isreal from behind and at the same time wanting to give Iran a blow job?

There is no way Iran will allow any of it's bases being used against Pakistan. The Iranians have had history of being abused by outside powers and now are extremely, in fact too extremely averse to any country basing any military base in their country. Also Iran know's India ia b*tch of a country and will sell Iran down the tube as it did with the vote against Iran at the UN, as it did with the oil pipeline project when India followed US orders.

"But in her book 'Hard Choices' that hit the stores today, Clinton discloses that her visit to India was with the sole purpose of convincing New Delhi to reduce its dependence on Iranian oil, which was successful by the end of her trip."

Hillary Clinton visited Delhi to convince India on Iran - The Times of India


"WASHINGTON: Outlining how as America's top diplomat she persuaded energy-hungry countries like India to back sanctions against Iran, Hillary Clinton says she would be willing to use force to keep Tehran from getting the bomb"


Tough-talking Hillary Clinton says she persuaded India to back Iran sanctions - The Economic Times

This shows you how close India and USA are and are getting even closer. Iran knows this. Whatever little there is between Iran is just transactional relationship. Iran knows's India strategic partner is USA the very country that was threatening to attack Iran.

You will see over the next decade Pakistan going toward a Russian - Chinese orbit and Iran will be somewhere on the outer reaches of this planetary system unless you expect Iran will jump in with Isreal, USA, India combine.

When you Irani agents get busted, you delete the counter aurgument.
You either good in leveling allegations..... which are eventually falling apart after so many years of lying.
Now don't even bother to answer when you cant anwer the real post... looser.

 

[somebozo]

Wrong its 172KM. Both are located too close to Borders in fact after one district from Gawadar there is an Iranian Border and same goes for Chabahar as well. The Best part is that Gawadar is located way outward of the whole Coast line all together. So India cant Avoid Pakistani Waters while reaching Chabahar at any possible route they take.

Yes we can

Shipping lines operate in volume so they go around on a transit dropping cargo at different ports. Unless the shipping line is subsidized by India..it is very unlikely that anyone will make an exclusive trip to Chahbar without touching Gawadar...

Chabar has less strategic value than Gwadar...this is not a new discovery but a hard coded fact since the early days of Portuguese colonization of naval facilities.

In terms of volumetric economies of scale, Gawader connects to China..which is a regional manufacturing power house therefore CPEC will act as a defacto corridor between China, Afghanistan and Central Asia...Chinese shipping lines also play a major role in Middle Eastern and Europe-Asian routes which in turn means additional traffic for Gawadar..

Chahbar at best will remind a second option to Gawader and exclusive enclave for Indian trading.
Also the proposed route from Gawader to Afghanistan runs through Pushtoon dominated areas which are releatively more monolitic and easier for Pakistan to handle due to cross border dispersion of Pushtoon Population..Both Iran and India are at disadvantage when it comes to relations with dominant Pushtoon war lords of Afghanistan across the trade corridor..

Gawader route also fall entirely outside of potential oil based conflicts and the traditionally sensitive strait of Harmouz

 

[Kao Boy]

Well said. Afghanistan worked well. Now we must give the other Indian ally on our west the same treatment. We cannot allow Indian assets placed permanently on our immediate western border just a few kilometers away. If we passively accept it we must live with it for life. Iran still does not have the nuclear weapon. I say its now or never.

NORTH: They entered Tajikistan and built their base there.
SOUTH:They setup their listening stations in Oman.
WEST:Now they are Irans best friends, building a strategic port.
EAST:These barbarians are sitting right there.

If you all dont see what is happening slowly, one step at a time, I am sorry to say, our future holds many sorrow. Enough is enough, we must put our foot down.

Big deal.. you have given Chinese entry to Indian Ocean through Gwadhar then whats the problem with Chabhar....And BTW when India developed road from Iran to Afghanistan to transfer aid to rebuild Afghanistan this sort of strategy was developed then....

We have TAPI and we can shut of gas anytime we want to...listening devices are installed all over the world....Pakistan too can install them on Gawadar to listen to Indian maritime traffic in Chahbar..

Did you bribe to become General?

 

[kaykay]

Useless thread with wild assumptions...... India will use Chabahar for economic purposes i.e trades to Iran, Afghanistan and beyond.

 

[banvanaxl]

So now tell me how the hell is Miss India going to juxtapose itself by being sleeping with USA, getting boned by Isreal from behind and at the same time wanting to give Iran a blow job?

Sir,

We Indians on PDF by and large are an educated bunch barring a few weirdos here and there. A certain section of the former might puke in disgust at the allegory about India and blow jobs and such like and turn the other cheek, this being "Pakistani" Defence Forum afterall.

I, however having spent a substantial part of life over the last 8 odd years learning, teaching, making friends, trolling and getting trolled on PDF, am tempted in a much sublime manner, to touch upon the subjects of pedophilia, sexual slavery, religion, camels, Mickey mouse and whatnot, none of them, the least bit flattering to a man of your tastes.

I choose not to.

I would beg you for the sake of common decency to edit your post, lest you find out that you have 'bitten off more than you can sallow" Savvy?

@mods . This kind of language from a TT from the right of the border is kosher?

@waz @Serpentine @WAJsal @MilSpec @Icarus @Irfan Baloch

The same way like Ms. PAK is juxtaposing by stripping for China, while twerking for USA and waiting to sleep and give blowjob to Russia

Distasteful.
Please don't . There are other ways to deal with it.

 

[TruthPrevails]

Sir,

We Indians on PDF by and large are an educated bunch barring a few weirdos here and there. A certain section of the former might puke in disgust at the allegory about India and blow jobs and such like and turn the other cheek, this being "Pakistani" Defence Forum afterall.

I, however having spent a substantial part of life over the last 8 odd years learning, teaching, making friends, trolling and getting trolled on PDF, am tempted in a much sublime manner, to touch upon the subjects of pedophilia, sexual slavery, religion, camels, Mickey mouse and whatnot, none of them, the least bit flattering to a man of your tastes.

I choose not to.

I would beg you for the sake of common decency to edit your post, lest you find out that you have 'bitten off more than you can sallow" Savvy?

@mods . This kind of language from a TT from the right of of the border is kosher?

@waz @Serpentine @WAJsal @MilSpec @Icarus @Irfan Baloch



Distasteful.
Please don't . There are other ways to deal with it.

I am sorry but you cant keep on asking for discipline, to speak properly and show respect to a bunch of hooligans. When in Rome do what Romans do

 

[banvanaxl]

I am sorry but you cant keep on asking for discipline, to speak properly and show respect to a bunch of hooligans. When in Rome do what Romans do

Right, but the point is, when everything was done and over with, the Christians were vindicated and Pontius Pilate committed suicide.

Almost Biblical

Anyway we are digressing, point being inflammatory sexual innuendos online are akin to sexual harassment at your workplace. You would not to the latter I assume.. why do the former?

 

[Magi Brahmin]

What are you blabbing on about? The real Ottoman's were masters of strategy. Why not do your name some proud by displaying some sense. Lets look at some facts.

The number one enemy of Isreal and USA is Iran in this region. If your oblivious of this fact there is not much pont in wasting any time on you. Corollary to that is Saudia Arabia is America's trusted ally and Iran hater. So the equation starts looking like this.

Isreal + USA + Saudia Arabia versus Iran.

In the last decade India has moved closer and closer to USA and Isreal. India is the biggest buyer of Isreali defence products.

Isreal + India

So now tell me how the hell is Miss India going to juxtapose itself by being sleeping with USA, getting boned by Isreal from behind and at the same time wanting to give Iran a blow job?

There is no way Iran will allow any of it's bases being used against Pakistan. The Iranians have had history of being abused by outside powers and now are extremely, in fact too extremely averse to any country basing any military base in their country. Also Iran know's India ia b*tch of a country and will sell Iran down the tube as it did with the vote against Iran at the UN, as it did with the oil pipeline project when India followed US orders.

"But in her book 'Hard Choices' that hit the stores today, Clinton discloses that her visit to India was with the sole purpose of convincing New Delhi to reduce its dependence on Iranian oil, which was successful by the end of her trip."

Hillary Clinton visited Delhi to convince India on Iran - The Times of India


"WASHINGTON: Outlining how as America's top diplomat she persuaded energy-hungry countries like India to back sanctions against Iran, Hillary Clinton says she would be willing to use force to keep Tehran from getting the bomb"


Tough-talking Hillary Clinton says she persuaded India to back Iran sanctions - The Economic Times

This shows you how close India and USA are and are getting even closer. Iran knows this. Whatever little there is between Iran is just transactional relationship. Iran knows's India strategic partner is USA the very country that was threatening to attack Iran.

You will see over the next decade Pakistan going toward a Russian - Chinese orbit and Iran will be somewhere on the outer reaches of this planetary system unless you expect Iran will jump in with Isreal, USA, India combine.

Dont worry mt friends hes true Victim of bacha bazi

anyway IVC is INDIAN civ. Because there was no pakistan before 1947,

 

[Indus Pakistan]

The problem all along has been Pakistani's show way to much respect to you Gangawalas. Now please don't jump up and start crying about the use of the "Gangawala" as that is a statement of fact. Large chunk of India falls on the Ganga Basin and worship Ganges River. Your more than welcome to call me "Induswala" as referance to the fact that I come from the Indus basin. In fact I take pride from that. Something tells me you will assidously avoid calling me anything that might allude to Indus as that would strangulate your self constructed delusion of imagining that Indus valley is fulcrum of India. That would be like French getting misty eyed about Rhine River when we know Rhine conjures up Germany.

Ganges - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On the subject of my language, yes maybe it was not language appropriate around polite company. I won't hide the fact that I have gotten into trouble with the admin. for that. I however would ask that since when have Indian's on PDF been coinsidered as "polite company"?

The majority are here to deride, make fun, belittle Pakistan. As regards the Admin. feeling or looking bad because of some of the language used here at PDF should look at what language is used by Indian's against Pakistan in other fora. Even sewer rats would blush. Terms like "Pak*, Pork***n," are de regueur with maps drawn showing how Pakistan ought to be dissected being displayed amidst Indian's indulging in group orgies.

The Indian's are there right in middle of the Zionists playing the "me you the same card " as in terms like "Yindoo" which seems to be cross fertilization of "Yehud plus Hindoo". They are there fanning hatred against Muslim's in Western platforms riding the current wave of Islamaphobia. They are there with and trying to harvest the extreme right wing groups against Muslims.

And your "Bacha Bazi" as has much meaning to me as "Sati" in India. It is very rare in Pakistan and is more of a issue in war torn Afghanistan. It almost never heard of in the area of Pakistan I come from. I suppose that Sati was progressive Hinduism at it's best before the British spoilt the party. So I have no idea why you guy's keep bringing that evil practice which fits in with "Sati" in India which itself was quashed by the British. You need to thank the British.

General Sir Charles James Napier, the Commander-in-Chief in India from 1849 to 1851 is often noted for a story involving Hindu priests complaining to him about the prohibition of sati by British authorities.

"Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national custom".

Sati (practice) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And on the subject of Iran much as I like that country if I actually thought that country was a threat to Pakistan's national security I would be the fitst to thrown stones at Iran. However Iran has never been a threat to Pakistan since the day Pakistan came into existance and I don't think it ever will. We may have cold days but hostility - NO.

This is NOT some empty bombast I am giving. The reality always is exposed by looking at where the "snarled teath" of Pakistan Army are. No strike formation, no armoured unit not even a infantry division is posted on the Iranian border. That says it all.

The Pakistan Armed forces have their entire strike assets pointed with considered alertness toward one side only. India. Pakistan Airforce and Army train everyday for one eventuality. India. Almost all the medals won by our soldiers have been in wars against India. So I merely reflect and profile what our army practices.

Now Indian's go ahead open more threads on Chah Bahar. I wish you invest some money in Iran. That is our neighbour and we are happy. We are secure in the knowledge that even if our relation gets frosty they will never allow their land used by India. Rhetoric yes but no substance - That is the best you can expect.

 

[Kaniska]

Shipping lines operate in volume so they go around on a transit dropping cargo at different ports. Unless the shipping line is subsidized by India..it is very unlikely that anyone will make an exclusive trip to Chahbar without touching Gawadar...

Chabar has less strategic value than Gwadar...this is not a new discovery but a hard coded fact since the early days of Portuguese colonization of naval facilities.

In terms of volumetric economies of scale, Gawader connects to China..which is a regional manufacturing power house therefore CPEC will act as a defacto corridor between China, Afghanistan and Central Asia...Chinese shipping lines also play a major role in Middle Eastern and Europe-Asian routes which in turn means additional traffic for Gawadar..

Chahbar at best will remind a second option to Gawader and exclusive enclave for Indian trading.
Also the proposed route from Gawader to Afghanistan runs through Pushtoon dominated areas which are releatively more monolitic and easier for Pakistan to handle due to cross border dispersion of Pushtoon Population..Both Iran and India are at disadvantage when it comes to relations with dominant Pushtoon war lords of Afghanistan across the trade corridor..

Gawader route also fall entirely outside of potential oil based conflicts and the traditionally sensitive strait of Harmouz

Although I may not like it, you are brutally true...Gwaddar and its prospect is more than Chabbar...Just because, Gwadar does not have access for India so we have to go for alternate route...So Pakistan honestly should care less what is happening in Chabbar as the the trade volume will be more when you connect Gwadar through China and its Western region...

 

[somebozo]

Although I may not like it, you are brutally true...Gwaddar and its prospect is more than Chabbar...Just because, Gwadar does not have access for India so we have to go for alternate route...So Pakistan honestly should care less what is happening in Chabbar as the the trade volume will be more when you connect Gwadar through China and its Western region...

Pakistan never forbade India from using Gawader because ports are not used by governments they are used by shipping lines...This is a self inflicted assumption among Indians..

And on the subject of Iran much as I like that country if I actually thought that country was a threat to Pakistan's national security I would be the fitst to thrown stones at Iran. However Iran has never been a threat to Pakistan since the day Pakistan came into existance and I don't think it ever will. We may have cold days but hostility - NO

Source: India's navy using the Chabahar port | Page 8

Iran did not find enough man power in Paksitan to commit any serious damage otherwise Iranian interference have taken two countries to total destruction while Bahrain is another on reeling from Iranian interference...Iranian leadership is bent on exporting their revolution by terror...unfortunately for them...Pakistani shia are far more liberal than the Ayatollahs of Qom..but that does not stop Iran from funding a lot nuisance in Pakistan...But recently Iranian interference as gone cold..because firstly Iranian intelligence is no match for Pakistan they are only good at harrasing their own people..secondly Iran's restive provience of Sistan is bordering Pakistan Baluchistan and to keep it calm requires extra-ordinary co-operation from Pakistan..otherwise it will be another Afghanistan in the making..and finally any interference with Iran will have Paksitan getting full support from Arabs..They may not have us as an ally like India but a neutral Pakistan is still better than one allied with Arabs against Iran....