India’s Mars orbiter completes six years at the red planet, but where is the science?

[Vortex]

I laughed as others few members but, credit where it is due, they sent something around Mars. The race is ongoing and not finished yet.
We should stay humble.

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

I laughed as others few members but, credit where it is due, they sent something around Mars. The race is ongoing and not finished yet.
We should stay humble.

Trouble is those who are laughing are most probably not even in the race.

 

[I S I]

Indian mars probe found toilet on Mars. it stayed. happy ending.

 

[Microsoft]

I laughed as others few members but, credit where it is due, they sent something around Mars. The race is ongoing and not finished yet.
We should stay humble.

There is no credit due this is the same story as JF-17 vs Tejas. Do you want to waste money reinventing the wheel and get laughed at for producing a trash can or create something that works and delivers results?

Lets see :


Mars Exospheric Neutral Composition Analyser (MENCA) which is a mass analyzer
Here are its results :

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2008.10029v1.pdf

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MCC

Estimation of dust variability and scale height of atmospheric optical depth (AOD) in the Valles Marineris on Mars by Indian Mars Orbiter Mission (MOM) data

In this paper analyses of bright hazes observed inside Valles Marineris formed during mid-southern spring of Mars is presented. The analysis is perfor…

www.sciencedirect.com

Methane Sensor for Mars

https://www.currentscience.ac.in/Volumes/113/01/0112.pdf

Thermal Infrared Imaging Spectrometer

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316116433_Geochemical_modelling_of_Terrestrial_Igneous_Rock_Compositions_using_Laboratory_Thermal_Emission_Spectroscopy_with_an_overview_on_its_applications_to_Indian_Mars_Mission

'Perhaps the most notable failure concerns the much-hyped methane sensor. The instrument was supposed to globally map methane with a sensitivity of parts per billion, to help decide if the methane on Mars could be a sign of subsurface life. But two years after launch, the instrument was found to have a design flaw and so it can’t detect methane at all ( ). At that point, ISRO repurposed the methane sensor as an albedo mapper, which measures sunlight reflected from the surface to get hints about Mars’ surface composition.
There also seem to be no published results from the Lyman Alpha Photometer. By looking for hydrogen escaping Mars’ atmosphere, it was supposed to tell us how much water Mars lost since its birth and at what rate. Notably, NASA’s MAVEN spacecraft was also expected to deliver this result (by examining many more factors), and it delivered. '

If you bothered to read the article.

 

[Itachi]

If you bothered to read the article.

Probably hasn't.....he's been spinning in circles for the past 5 pages in front of multiple evidences as to how this was not only a PR stunt but a sinkhole of money. Then he starts touting how Space tech developed for this Orbiter will be helpful for India and Antrix, the company who made the orbiter is a profitable venture.....forgetting that current India doesn't need "Space tech".....it needs better infrastructure, more jobs and less ways of sinking money into costly projects and ventures like the Tejas, Arjun and the recent plan for buying 30 drones for $3B (per drone cost of $100M!).


If a single one of those drones and their systems cost way more than this Orbiter then we know how much corruption there is in India and how much it's lacking on essential fields. But some Indians want to run before they learn how to walk.

 

[Vortex]

There is no credit due this is the same story as JF-17 vs Tejas. Do you want to waste money reinventing the wheel and get laughed at for producing a trash can or create something that works and delivers results?

Bro, if I understood correctly, JF17 was for an immediate issue (pressler?). In our case yes JF17 was a success by not reinventing wheels. What was acceptable and what wasn’t was known by our Project Management. I don’t know what were the goals of tejas. I can’t judge

But in the case of Mars, the goal is not an immediate needs. It’s a long term journey.

I would have liked too that we sent some items to Mars by our own.

 

[Microsoft]

Bro, if I understood correctly, JF17 was for an immediate issue (pressler?). In our case yes JF17 was a success by not reinventing wheels. What was acceptable and what wasn’t was known by our Project Management. I don’t know what were the goals of tejas. I can’t judge

But in the case of Mars, the goal is not an immediate needs. It’s a long term journey.

I would have liked too that we sent some items to Mars by our own.

I don't see why Pakistan should do that when the standard of living there is so low. Do you know how many Americans hate the space program even though they are so much better off? I see no point in wasting resources when they are already so tight especially if the results are just going to be trash.

 

[Vortex]

I don't see why Pakistan should do that when the standard of living there is so low. Do you know how many Americans hate the space program even though they are so much better off? I see no point in wasting resources when they are already so tight especially if the results are just going to be trash.

Space’s investments benefits will be seen in future. Not tomorrow. Yes of course you, me, even my children won’t be alive to see them. But in long term, future generations will.

 

[Itachi]

Bro, if I understood correctly, JF17 was for an immediate issue (pressler?). In our case yes JF17 was a success by not reinventing wheels. What was acceptable and what wasn’t was known by our Project Management. I don’t know what were the goals of tejas. I can’t judge

But in the case of Mars, the goal is not an immediate needs. It’s a long term journey.

I would have liked too that we sent some items to Mars by our own.

Why??

Why waste money on a orbiter lol?? It creates no real value other than to say...WE DID IT!

It would be much much more useful to put all that effort into developing reusable spacecrafts and rockets like SpaceX is doing......their goal is to reach Mars too but they ain't sending random shitty probes to Mars lol.....they're building from the ground up and making money doing it. Way more than any Indian venture ever will. Not only are they serving commercial needs but more importantly, military ones too.

I would like Pakistan to follow SpaceX'es lead.....like China is doing too (they just had their 1st reusable rocket test).

The goal is to establish ourselves around the Earth's orbit, then the moon and then maybe, maybe Mars......India skipped parts 1 and 2 and celebrated a shitty run at part 3.....lets not do that.

 

[Vortex]

Why??

Why waste money on a orbiter lol?? It creates no real value other than to say...WE DID IT!

It would be much much more useful to put all that effort into developing reusable spacecrafts and rockets like SpaceX is doing......their goal is to reach Mars too but they ain't sending random shitty probes to Mars lol.....they're building from the ground up and making money doing it. Way more than any Indian venture ever will. Not only are they serving commercial needs but more importantly, military ones too.

I would like Pakistan to follow SpaceX'es lead.....like China is doing too (they just had their 1st reusable rocket test).

The goal is to establish ourselves around the Earth's orbit, then the moon and then maybe, maybe Mars......India skipped parts 1 and 2 and celebrated a shitty run at part 3.....lets not do that.

Whatever, space is the future. Send orbiter or/and develop reusable spacecraft. Both line are linked to space. At least they had learned something from this mission.

Remember, space technology is made of several items... orbiter has also its own use, travelling from to Mars with its trajectory Is also one of them.


JF17 was created because we were barred from getting F16. Would you wait we get banned/barred from space to start our own true space program ?

agreed indians are running there space program like a Bollywoodish project. But hey they are able to send something in space. We should not work like them for sure, but we should go eaarth orbit, on moon, on Mars and even farther.... and for that you need orbiter for some of your journey.

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

If you bothered to read the article.

Indeed I have. And yes in space tech sometimes things don't work, its great that ISRO was able to salvage it for its another use.

BTW, its rich hearing it from someone who has admitted that Pakistan's own space agency does little space innovation.

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

.forgetting that current India doesn't need "Space tech"

Oh?
India does not need space tech?

Cyclone Fani: How Isro satellites tracked Fani, saved many lives | India News - Times of India

India News: As meteorologists observed a trough of low in the southern Indian Ocean more than a week ago, five Indian satellites kept a constant eye on the system

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

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[Ajay Ghatak]

.it needs better infrastructure, more jobs and less ways of sinking money into costly projects

Lemme ask one thing. Since Pakistan does not have a real space program anyways. I am sure Pakistan's infra will be much better than India, isnt it?

1. Dams? Naaah waiting for finances from China.
2. Ports? Naah waiting for finances from China.
3. Public Transport? Naah waiting for China to finance Lahore Metro. And lets not even talk about Pakistan's Railway system.
4. Health care? IMR worse than India, avg life expectancy worse than India, Pakistani patients have to beg visa for critical medical procedures in India.
5. Education? Literacy rate well... what can I say. Colleges? Err... QS Rank thread on this forum speaks a lot.
6. Per capita GDP? USD 500 less than India

I mean what did the folks like Pakistan (who started at the same place as India) achieved by NOT having a space program? Did cost of (rather saving from not incurring that cost) space program had ANY impact on Pakistan and B'desh that you are so much promoting?

The reason I use B'desh and Pakistan as benchmark is because they all had the similar starting point.

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

Do you know how many Americans hate the space program even though they are so much better off?

You know what americans hate a lot? Paying taxes. At all.
Or even Universal medical care like Canada? Why? The answer I get from lot of americans is "I do not want to pay for another stupid guys issues".

Americans hate to contribute any money anywhere as taxes.

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

It would be much much more useful to put all that effort into developing reusable spacecrafts and rockets like SpaceX is doing

You do know that SpaceX is built upon lots of innovation that NASA did back during the space race. Had there been no NASA there would have been no SpaceX. And yes, there were lots of space missions with no immediate benefits.