India’s INS Arihant will force China to Complete Pakistan Nuclear Triad: Aussie Media

[MKC]

Except Popeye never heard about any SLCM with nuclear warhead, Why doesn't US have submarines with Tomhawk missile with nuclear warhead, do they have?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

@kahonapyarhai What is significant about this article? Nothing really except one thing. That India would move on and deploy the third element in the nuclear triad is given. That Pakistan will also follow in the wake is also given. History confirms this pattern. From the nuclear bomb itself to cruise missiles, ballistic missiles this pattern can be seen. Pakistan lags by about decade and half on most of these projects.

So what is the one thing that is significant? Well that would be how these initiatives are framed. India does it. Apparently it is "indigenous" even if the Russian Pусский is painted over with रिपब्लिक ऑफ़.

In case of Pakistan every sentance will carry "China", "China", "China", China", "China", "China". This also of course applies to this article. Everybody knows that is submarine is clone of Akula class Russian submarines. But of course we are supposed to accept it is indigenous. Yeh of course."Russia", "Russia","Russia", "Russia". Oh sorry I mean indigenous. Cough "Indian".

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"Arihant's design is based on the Russian Akula-1 Class submarine"
"Russian designers assisted in building the vessel"
"The crew of Arihant will be trained on the 12,000t Akula-II submarine. The submarine will be taken on lease from Russia in 2010 for ten years"
"pressurised water reactor (PWR) was developed by the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre with assistance from a Russian design team"
"Arihant is fitted with a combination of two sonar systems – Ushus and Panchendriya. Ushus is state-of-the-art sonar meant for Russian Kilo Class submarines"

Source > SSBN Arihant Class Submarine - Naval Technology

 

[volatile]

Actually we thank you India you made our live miserable but in the end thanks to you we are Nuke Power ,Thanks to you we become strong in military ,thanks to you we went to US camp when you were in Russia ,Thanks to you we are in Russia/China camp and now you are in US ,Thanks to you we are starting realizing our full potential in economics as well as you went far a head in last decade but we will follow you in the similar way .Thanks to you we are looking for 5th Gen planes

 

[dadeechi]

SOURCE: Aakar Patel / FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG

The Sydney Morning Herald (SMH) a daily published in Sydney said in a report that while India’s 6000-tonne Arihant Nuclear submarine is all set for Induction into Indian Navy which will push India into Elite Countries who posses Nuclear Blastic missile Submarine clearly aimed at Countering China’s growing influence in Indian ocean Region, Bejing will be forced to respond to India’s New Submarine by adding Pakistan submarine program .

Arihant Nuclear submarine deployment would complete India’s nuclear triad, allowing it to deliver atomic weapons from land, sea and air. Only the US and Russia are considered full-fledged nuclear triad powers now, with China and India’s capabilities still largely untested.

While Both India and China espouse a no-first-use policy on nuclear arms but Arihant will also act as a deterrence against an outbreak of war by discouraging enemies from attacking. Ballistic-missile submarines are considered to have played such a deterrent role in the Cold War.

Pakistan for long has been trying to acquire weapons systems which will allow it to establish second strike capability against arch rivals India. It’s known fact that Pakistan can ill afford Nuclear submarines in its arsenal but China might provide its assistance in providing Conventional under sea capabilities which can deliver nuclear warheads.

Pakistan with China has finalized its long-negotiated Conventional submarine deal which likely can be armed with Cruise missiles which capable of carrying tactical nuclear weapons, thus completing Pakistan Nuclear Triad.

Export version of the Type 039A, the S20, is believed to be air-independent propulsion (AIP) capable submarine and should the Pakistanis opt for this capability it would give them greater operational flexibility through increased endurance. Pakistan is developing its Babur Cruise missile into a Submarine launched Cruise missile variant which will allow it to hit targets inside India with Nuclear weapons.

All Pakistanis should now thank India for providing an opportunity and cover to enhance their capability.

 

[Zarvan]

I always thought Pakistan would acquire ballistic nuclear submarines regardless what India did as part of its full spectrum nuclear deterrence.

Yes that would happen sooner or later. Eventually Pakistan will go for both Destroyers as well as Nuclear Submarines.

 

[Mrc]

A sensible article stating the obvious

 

[amardeep mishra]

I am not here to answer our enemies.
They have their programs, we have our programs.

hi @Rashid Mahmood
Pardon me for the ignorance,but has there been underwater launch of babur SLCM from a submerged pontoon? Dont you think it would be foolish to test a "new/untested" system directly from a submarine? I find it hard to believe that pakistan could have designed an underwater launching system without first perfecting the "cold-launch" concept. As a student of aerospace engineering i find it extremely difficult to believe that pakistan could have modified the french sub(that was assembled in pakistani shipyard under license from the french) without a prior consent of the OEM. The case with upcoming chinese sub would be quite different though!
Finally a passing remark- Does pakistan even have a submerged pontoon facility to test underwater missile(during the R&D phase) like babur? Because without that,pakistan would have to delegate a lot of R&D to china

 

[Jaam92]

If a nuclear Submarine could detect then it is huge waste of alot money

 

[Sipahi]

I am not here to answer our enemies.
They have their programs, we have our programs.

Sir Jee, dil jeet liyaa aap ne tou

 

[Reichsmarschall]

always trying to save face, just like average Pakistani.

only thing you can do is Cry because just like Past 1000's of years we will Rule whole South Asia Again.

न अभिशेको न संस्कारः सिम्हस्य कृयते वनेविक्रमार्जितसत्वस्य स्वयमेव मृगेन्द्रता

Translation: There is no official coronation ceremony held to declare the lion as the king of the jungle. He becomes king by his own attributes and heroic actions.

This Flag will Rule Indian Ocean Region after 2030s

Stop us if you can.

Go and ask Raja Dahir and Rajput Rajas what happened to them they were also Day dreaming
@Irfan Baloch I kid I mentioned yesterday are here now

 

[Chanakyaa]

Well, IMHO Pakistan foolow the Israeli route and Babur + SSK sound far more deadlier, viable and economical option.

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Arihant Sub is not new development, we know already, it was on test trial for years now going to be operational.
Pakistan Navy already announced in 2014 that it would build a nuclear sub within 5-8 years time span.
While, S-20 Project is also carry on that will allow Pakistan Navy to fire Cruise missile of range-700-1000 km.
So things are also challenging for enemies too.
If we are in endanger Then You are too facing threat.

 

[xyxmt]

we'll believe it when we see it.

calling Zarvan's statement a bluff for now.

problem is when you see it, it might be to late

@kahonapyarhai What is significant about this article? Nothing really except one thing. That India would move on and deploy the third element in the nuclear triad is given. That Pakistan will also follow in the wake is also given. History confirms this pattern. From the nuclear bomb itself to cruise missiles, ballistic missiles this pattern can be seen. Pakistan lags by about decade and half on most of these projects.

So what is the one thing that is significant? Well that would be how these initiatives are framed. India does it. Apparently it is "indigenous" even if the Russian Pусский is painted over with रिपब्लिक ऑफ़.

In case of Pakistan every sentance will carry "China", "China", "China", China", "China", "China". This also of course applies to this article. Everybody knows that is submarine is clone of Akula class Russian submarines. But of course we are supposed to accept it is indigenous. Yeh of course."Russia", "Russia","Russia", "Russia". Oh sorry I mean indigenous. Cough "Indian".

Quote

"Arihant's design is based on the Russian Akula-1 Class submarine"
"Russian designers assisted in building the vessel"
"The crew of Arihant will be trained on the 12,000t Akula-II submarine. The submarine will be taken on lease from Russia in 2010 for ten years"
"pressurised water reactor (PWR) was developed by the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre with assistance from a Russian design team"
"Arihant is fitted with a combination of two sonar systems – Ushus and Panchendriya. Ushus is state-of-the-art sonar meant for Russian Kilo Class submarines"

Source > SSBN Arihant Class Submarine - Naval Technology

add to that all the initial tests are done in Russia, then the paint job is done in India

 

[satishkumarcsc]

Well it is not the building of a nuclear submarine that matters. It is the maintenance and the necessity that matters the most.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Pakistan is still working on torpedo based SLCM capability. There are three reasons

1.
Agosta 90/90B supports two kind of torpedos.

• ECAN L5 Mod 3: 4.320 m and 935 kg
• ECAN F17 Mod 2: 6.0m and 1,410 kg

Even chinese torpedo based SLCM with 6 meter in length have meager 128 KM of range--The submarine based SLCM have much powerful booster

--Popeye ALCM without booster of length 6.25 meter,diameter 533 mm have range of 325 KM

Popeye submarine torpedo launched SLCM in INS Rahab/Dolphin class II SSK have range of 1000+KM but its dimensions are almost 8-9+ meter in length and uses 650 mm heavy torpedo tubes--That's about 10 % more radii & 2+ meter length carrying about 1.5 times more volume than 6.25 meter length 533 Torpedo launched SLCM.

2. Babur Solid booster have low specific impulse. It uses jet vanes & lacks TVC which is serious problem given pakistan all solid stage missiles uses Long March 1/FG36 type engines which all based on jet vanes. US, Russia, China, India have experience of working on boosters for 6 to 4 decades! Pakistan is newbie in booster technology! It have no engine with flex nozzle TVC--- The specific impulse of Shaheen engines are of 1960-70 type missiles !

3 Babur GLCM was designed, built and tested in China--Pak havent ever undergone any wind tunnel test of its missiles and drones- Infact, Pakistan starts with semi finished product supplied by china and south africa(Denel dynamic provided Raad)- Babur uses majority chinese components(turbojet, inertial navigation, flight control, electronics, TERCOM altimeter) minus fuselage which is made by NESCOM with the jigs, lathes and other tools supplied by china

Pakistan simply lacks the capability to design,windtunnel & manufacture a cruise missile on its own!

Pakistan decided to choose Denel supplied Ra'ad & never attempted to alter Babur GLCM into Babur ALCM.

3. China also lacks any torpedo based SLCM of range > 128 km-They can certainly produce torpedo launched long range SLCM but Chinese are more focused on supersonic solid fuel/dual pulse short range VLS launched SLCM & long range SLBM.
They have SSBM,SSN for nuclear triad so they prefer their SSK for conventional attack with short range missiles!


=>But China will certainly help Pakistan redesign/modify Babur SLCM as part of eight S-20 purchases!

=> Pak's chinese procured S-20 with 533 diameter and 6-6.5 meter length tubes can at max fit a 300-400 Km SLCM!