India’s foot-dragging caused utter failure in Iran’s Chabahar

[Dariush the Great]

Most chinese companies have state backing and a 3trillion reserve made from sir plus trade, meanwhile the largest refinery in India is privately owned unlike Chinese oil giants. Forget India, why your next door neighbor does not import a drop of oil or petrol from you? Your oils are at the risk of being captured from open sea by US troops. I don't understand why some Iranians think India should risk US sanctions.

Because you have existing contracts with the Iranian side. Not only did you pull out of them but you conspired with the US against Iran. Until this moment you are blocking 7 billion of Iranian money in your banks. We have no expectation from Pakistan as they are struggling themselves but with a large country like India we expected something else.

 

[letsrock]

Risk benefit. There is absolutely zero benefit in risking US sanctions and importing oil. And don't want our corporations to end up like Huawei.

hahahah - what corporation you have which match even one tenth of what huawei does.

Most chinese companies have state backing and a 3trillion reserve made from sir plus trade, meanwhile the largest refinery in India is privately owned unlike Chinese oil giants. Forget India, why your next door neighbor does not import a drop of oil or petrol from you? Your oils are at the risk of being captured from open sea by US troops. I don't understand why some Iranians think India should risk US sanctions.

If you are so weak then stop acting like you are an independent stakeholder anywhere. Just grab what you can from global system and keep quiet.

 

[MH.Yang]

plz give the chinese a chance, we don't mind US sanctions.

 

[Amin Bactria]

It's not really foot-dragging. It is just their normal speed.

true

plz give the chinese a chance, we don't mind US sanctions.

everything in iran is owned by iran so the former fools who thought they can get others into iran to do it better were mistaken very mistaken indeed so iran will work with others but iran will manage itself its affairs specially its territorial affairs
china has signed a 25 years deal you already get cheap energy from us so work towards getting this energy to china with efficiency and if you want pipelines put a plan forward

 

[aryobarzan]

true

everything in iran is owned by iran so the former fools who thought they can get others into iran to do it better were mistaken very mistaken indeed so iran will work with others but iran will manage itself its affairs specially its territorial affairs
china has signed a 25 years deal you already get cheap energy from us so work towards getting this energy to china with efficiency and if you want pipelines put a plan forward

Chahbahar port development is part of a much bigger development by Iran to spend $$$billions on the MAKRAN coast line..India's $$ in chahbahar is a drop in the bucket..The port will function fine as part of North South corridor.... Another Port of Jask became operational recently and is now Iran's oil terminal in sea of OMAN in MAKRAN coast..

The port city of Chahbahar

Chah Bahar International university

 

[Aesterix]

I cannot wait for Gwadar and Chabahar, two sister ports, to operate as two limbs of the same body. We are not competitors. We are allies. More power to Pakistan Iran relations. Under the umbrella of OBOR/CPEC Pakistan and Iran will expand trade and other relations.

As for India, humiliated and defeated it has lost all regional allies. Today India is a loser lapdog of US and Western nations. Its sole task to contain dragon China. As the region decides to join hands, India stands all alone as a spoiler. China, Russia, Iran and Pakistan will join hands and work for regional cooperation. Today the spoilers stand defeated and the way to security and prosperity is open.

You are living in lala land.
India and Iran collaborated to diminish the importance of Gwadar.
Both of those countries are not Pakistans friend .

 

[Protest_again]

I think India's foot dragging has really saved us millions in this case.

 

[Cheepek]

These are periodic articles from Iranian media, and they emerge when they are short of $$.

 

[925boy]

And no, US is our largest export partner, at the end of the day, we have our economy to worry about.

So India is a big for nothing power? CHina buys alot of oil from Iran, and US...actually didnt do much against China for that (just like China is currently buying ALOT of Iranian oil, despite sanctions against that in place)..INdia is acting weak and needs to grow up and be the big boy INdia wants to be in the future - power is taken, not given.

Iran gave you guys that large Farzad B oil field...and you guys, FUKD IT UP AGAIN and i heard India is "mad at Iran " for yanking it...then stop wasting Iran's time and grow some balls! US needs INdia now more than ever, esp to contain CHina, so why not use that as leverage??? Now your FM has been visiting Iran multiple times, trying to change things - start thinking and behaving for Bharat alone, stop acting with White man in consideration, because obviously, he doesnt care that much about you you will tell me u know this, but why not act like it then if you know?

 

[Chhatrapati]

So India is a big for nothing power? CHina buys alot of oil from Iran, and US...actually didnt do much against China for that (just like China is currently buying ALOT of Iranian oil, despite sanctions against that in place)..INdia is acting weak and needs to grow up and be the big boy INdia wants to be in the future - power is taken, not given.

Iran gave you guys that large Farzad B oil field...and you guys, FUKD IT UP AGAIN and i heard India is "mad at Iran " for yanking it...then stop wasting Iran's time and grow some balls! US needs INdia now more than ever, esp to contain CHina, so why not use that as leverage??? Now your FM has been visiting Iran multiple times, trying to change things - start thinking and behaving for Bharat alone, stop acting with White man in consideration, because obviously, he doesnt care that much about you you will tell me u know this, but why not act like it then if you know?

Like I said before, it's pointless to compare India's case with that of the Chinese simply because China still have some backup plans and they have Chinese government-controlled corporations that would simply bail the sanctioned oil companies. Unlike Indian companies who are run by billionaires or public listed companies who would unlikely to invite a US sanction by importing from Iran. What happened to Huawei was for all of us to see. The company is making losses after losses following sanctions even with the Chinese state backing that is making them stay afloat.

By growing balls, you mean being reckless. Mind you, India had imported oil from Iran by obtaining special concessions from the US, until Trump came along and fuked it all up. And we don't have many brotherly relations with Iran (or any country for that matter) to risk it all, we simply look for a cheap deal that could not stress our coffers. That is what the Chinese are doing, importing oil below market price because you're under sanctions and the Chinese are taking advantage of it.

Speaking of the US needing India more for tackling China, that's an overestimation of India's leverage. We are a developing economy, maybe we will arrive at some deal soon with the US to import Iranian oil, but it will take time and it also depends on how Iran tread their relationship with the new US administration. If you go full hostile to the US, there is nothing India could do.

On a side note, I'm not sure how long the Chinese will keep importing Iran oil, they are also clinging to hopes of a deal between the US and Iran. So far the US has avoided confronting the Chinese over it.

 

[Sineva]

Because you have existing contracts with the Iranian side. Not only did you pull out of them but you conspired with the US against Iran. Until this moment you are blocking 7 billion of Iranian money in your banks. We have no expectation from Pakistan as they are struggling themselves but with a large country like India we expected something else.

Forget it,the indians made their choice over a decade ago,and that choice was hindu fascism.....sorry..."nationalism"...and us vassalage.
In real terms for iran it means that rather than having to deal with a non-aligned india and a us aligned pakistan,iran now has to deal with 2 us/western vassal nations.If anything this should actually make it a lot easier for iran to tread a path between the 2 of them,as now neither of them have anything to offer iran politically or economically.....even if they wanted to,neither can they take advantage of anything that iran could offer them politically or economically....even if they wanted to.

 

[Hack-Hook]

You are living in lala land.
India and Iran collaborated to diminish the importance of Gwadar.
Both of those countries are not Pakistans friend .

Chabahar project start before Gwadar.
by the way you want to build a city there, we want to develop a functioning and thriving city ,guess who want to undermine the other

 

[Vapnope]

@Chhatrapati Thank you for the coherent responses explaining the potential problems that India can face without losing your temper. However the position India is taking (aligning with US) is worth the risk of antagonizing your neighbors?

 

[Chhatrapati]

@Chhatrapati Thank you for the coherent responses explaining the potential problems that India can face without losing your temper. However the position India is taking (aligning with US) is worth the risk of antagonizing your neighbors?

By neighbours, you mean China and Pakistan (&Iran, you could've added Russia too and not call it neighbours)? India, as far as I remember has a very good relationship with the US, post the Clinton administration. We also have a very good relationship with Israel even before that, which sure didn't antagonize the middle east or Iranians. There was an understanding between us all.

Right now, certain norms are changing for us and you know what they are. The question should be, is it worth antagonizing India and pushing it to the US camp? And should be directed at the Chinese. We all know the only declining power here is Russia, they are falling far behind the Chinese in terms of military equipment and overall strength and the Russian influence over the Chinese is waning, we have to make realignments or we will be left clueless. For the moment we have to risk antagonising some countries for our own good. Pakistan did it by completely aligning with the Chinese, you still have to tread carefully as you have religion involved which may come into play going further with Iran, China and maybe Turkey? You also risk antagonising a lot of countries. You still have to answer difficult questions when asked about the Uyghurs. It's the reality we all live in and it's muddled in hypocrisies.

So, yeah, it is worth it to antagonise some countries.

 

[Vapnope]

By neighbours, you mean China and Pakistan (&Iran, you could've added Russia too and not call it neighbours)? India, as far as I remember has a very good relationship with the US, post the Clinton administration. We also have a very good relationship with Israel even before that, which sure didn't antagonize the middle east or Iranians. There was an understanding between us all.

Right now, certain norms are changing for us and you know what they are. The question should be, is it worth antagonizing India and pushing it to the US camp? And should be directed at the Chinese. We all know the only declining power here is Russia, they are falling far behind the Chinese in terms of military equipment and overall strength and the Russian influence over the Chinese is waning, we have to make realignments or we will be left clueless. For the moment we have to risk antagonising some countries for our own good. Pakistan did it by completely aligning with the Chinese, you still have to tread carefully as you have religion involved which may come into play going further with Iran, China and maybe Turkey? You also risk antagonising a lot of countries. You still have to answer difficult questions when asked about the Uyghurs. It's the reality we all live in and it's muddled in hypocrisies.

So, yeah, it is worth it to antagonise some countries.

Thank you again for the detailed response.