India's conventional military superiority over Pakistan is exaggerated.

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Pakistan Recently tested coastal anti-ship missile this defense system will provide some deterrence for our navy.

Not to mention the 8 submarines we are getting from China.

 

[90ArsalanLeo]

The lack bravado in the forum is impressive
The lack of understanding modern warefare is astonishing.
The unwillingness to see or acknowledge your weaknesses is sign of internal inferiority complex.

Indians openly tell you they need to replace their mig fleet
indians openly tell you they need T72 to be ungraded to have nightvision
that the indian army lacks x y & z

its open there are no secrets its there to see....

YET WILL A PAKISTANI EVER SAY

80% of the PAF is obsolete with no bvr and just dated mirages/F7/mig21 clones.

That PAF has 10% THE AIRLIFT capacity of the Indians

That PAF has virtual zero medium or long range SAM or ABM systems.

That the PAKISTANI army still has 800 T59S that are 50 year old technology

hardly any helicopters and virtually enough ammo and reserves to fight for 7-10 days

Finally how many cities of major importance sit within touching distance of the indian military. Lahore Islamabhad rawlpindi . ie all your entire commercial centres are with in 5 mins range of cruse missles smirch BMRL and massive air strikes

india has weaknesses but if they ever had the courage or resolve to unleash their entire military and conventional might to destroy Pakistan they can wreck havoc in all of pakistans key industrial and military centres.

Simply the Indians have
Far greater strategic depth
Far more resources
Far more political support

What the Indians lack has some one suggested is the stomach for the fight or they worry too much about GDP GROWTH .

FOR Pakistanis they have nothing to lose

Very poor analysis we still have 500+ Al-Khalid tanks along with modernized Al-Zarrar tanks
F-7 are being replaced by JF-17 at high pace 65 are already induced. The mig's we are using went ROSE 3 upgrade in Turkey so they still are not outdated.
We have Cobra helicopters & Z-10's
Our missile system is much more advance than india who still cant make a cruise missile

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The lack bravado in the forum is impressive
The lack of understanding modern warefare is astonishing.
The unwillingness to see or acknowledge your weaknesses is sign of internal inferiority complex.

Indians openly tell you they need to replace their mig fleet
indians openly tell you they need T72 to be ungraded to have nightvision
that the indian army lacks x y & z

its open there are no secrets its there to see....

YET WILL A PAKISTANI EVER SAY

80% of the PAF is obsolete with no bvr and just dated mirages/F7/mig21 clones.

That PAF has 10% THE AIRLIFT capacity of the Indians

That PAF has virtual zero medium or long range SAM or ABM systems.

That the PAKISTANI army still has 800 T59S that are 50 year old technology

hardly any helicopters and virtually enough ammo and reserves to fight for 7-10 days

Finally how many cities of major importance sit within touching distance of the indian military. Lahore Islamabhad rawlpindi . ie all your entire commercial centres are with in 5 mins range of cruse missles smirch BMRL and massive air strikes

india has weaknesses but if they ever had the courage or resolve to unleash their entire military and conventional might to destroy Pak

istan they can wreck havoc in all of pakistans key industrial and military centres.

Simply the Indians have
Far greater strategic depth
Far more resources
Far more political support

What the Indians lack has some one suggested is the stomach for the fight or they worry too much about GDP GROWTH .

FOR Pakistanis they have nothing to lose

On the contrary, we have something very precious to lose. Our unique and beautiful race. No amount of money or wealth can buy this natural racial beauty. The worst fate that could befall Pakistan is that we become the world's most physically repulsive and ugliest race on earth. May that never happen.

 

[waz]

Pakistan Recently tested coastal anti-ship missile this defense system will provide some deterrence for our navy.

That's true bro, and will be effective. But you don't want to be defending from the coastline, and we haven't even factored in IN wing coming in and making strikes on such batteries.

 

[omega supremme]

I think you will find you are being silly here ... he is ex-Air Defence >25 years in your defence services ....

So, the joke is on you mate .... !

And how do you know he is ex air defence

 

[CHACHA"G"]

Hello All,
I just stopped reading on page 5 of this thread , there are lot of trolling and " fanboyism " in this thread, let me come to my point or thinking about OP post (the article) .
First if we only compare IA and PA , I have no shame or doubt accepting the fact that IA have many advantages over PA , Its manpower , Tanks , IFVs , AFVs , APCs you name it they have the numbers , But right question here is ! Does there numbers have technological advantages with greater tanning and better war planning????
I am afraid the answer of that question is not in favour of IA , They do have every thing but most of them are old need heavy modernization or complete replacements . That's also a reality if Indian members don't agree its up to them .
Now 2nd Question is ! If IA have a plan to upgrade its capabilities (eqm and other things which OP pointed out) what are PA is doing ?????????
And 3rd Question related to PA ! What about there capabilities and there eqm even they are short in numbers , are they have more advance in technology and training with war planning ?????
And what PA is doing about modernization of its capabilities , how many more Armd DIVs they added or how many more Mech Inf Divs or how many Inf Div they upgraded (as or per Mech Inf Div) ??????

Let me tell some fanboys please check the holding corps of Pakistan Army And there divs and there eqm ,

Note: Yes we don't need 1 million troops to fight IA but that's also don't mean that we don't have to upgrade all what we have , we need 700000 regular troops " but all as advance as we can make them " not as shape of 70's Era inf divs with very few or less firepower .
Add one more corp just like I CORP
Upgrade as many Inf Div to Mech Inf Div As we can (mainly all holding or defending corps should get this upgrade ASAP)
And for Indian Fanboys the article is right (if war happen today) , but if and with big if IA done all the upgrades they are planning then the problem starts for Pakistan.
Thank you all.

 

[war&peace]

What Indian strategists are missing is the 180 million people of Pakistan that will fight shoulder to shoulder with Pak army with a motivation of Jihad (the word that causes countless nightmares and sleepless nights for the fanatics in the Indian establishment). There will be no Punjabi, Sindhi, Pathan or Balochi...but Pakistani Muslims So I advise Indian strategists to update their calculations and I'm telling them this in advance and also the subscribers of Ghazwa-e-Hind are not in a small number and they will eat likes of @OrionHunter for a snack.

 

[Centurion2016]

Why don't you listen to your moderator WAZ

FOR THE ATTENTION OF PAKISTANI FOR EVER Typical Pakistani crowd watching cricket.

remember beauty is in the eye of the beholder .

I don't buy this WORLDS MOST BEAUTIFUL RACE I live in UK and believe I see enough Pakistanis and inddians daily.

 

[khanmubashir]

and pak can

The lack bravado in the forum is impressive
The lack of understanding modern warefare is astonishing.
The unwillingness to see or acknowledge your weaknesses is sign of internal inferiority complex.

Indians openly tell you they need to replace their mig fleet
indians openly tell you they need T72 to be ungraded to have nightvision
that the indian army lacks x y & z

its open there are no secrets its there to see....

YET WILL A PAKISTANI EVER SAY

80% of the PAF is obsolete with no bvr and just dated mirages/F7/mig21 clones.

That PAF has 10% THE AIRLIFT capacity of the Indians

That PAF has virtual zero medium or long range SAM or ABM systems.

That the PAKISTANI army still has 800 T59S that are 50 year old technology

hardly any helicopters and virtually enough ammo and reserves to fight for 7-10 days

Finally how many cities of major importance sit within touching distance of the indian military. Lahore Islamabhad rawlpindi . ie all your entire commercial centres are with in 5 mins range of cruse missles smirch BMRL and massive air strikes

india has weaknesses but if they ever had the courage or resolve to unleash their entire military and conventional might to destroy Pakistan they can wreck havoc in all of pakistans key industrial and military centres.

Simply the Indians have
Far greater strategic depth
Far more resources
Far more political support

What the Indians lack has some one suggested is the stomach for the fight or they worry too much about GDP GROWTH .

FOR Pakistanis they have nothing to lose

and pak can wreck havoc in india's biggest delhi and mumbai infact they always cry about it even when we don't and just 0.5% of our active sympathisers in 200 million indian muslims would cause a catastrophe from inside and in reality a lot more can be arranged

You fire your first Nasr .

We fire all 50 Prithivi missiles ( full Quota for pakistan) sitting some few KM away Pakistan borders carrying 60KT Nukes and having range of 150 to 250 KM . This is our deal pakistan .

our nukes r dispersed and in hardened locations unlike u we also take into count of usa or isreali attack so rest assure india would be a nuclear wasteland if its leaders ever prove to b as stupid as u r

 

[Centurion2016]

To get to Mumbai or new delhi

is no joke buddy

No PAF fighter will get that far

As for missles unless its a nuke sending missles to hit a city is like stopping a rhino with a paper clip .

get real

india cities are simply out of reach you have no chance

unless you want mushroom clouds in response

IF CONVENTIONAL BRING IT ON lets who runs out FIRST

 

[90ArsalanLeo]

To get to Mumbai or new delhi

is no joke buddy

No PAF fighter will get that far

As for missles unless its a nuke sending missles to hit a city is like stopping a rhino with a paper clip .

get real

india cities are simply out of reach you have no chance

unless you want mushroom clouds in response

IF CONVENTIONAL BRING IT ON lets who runs out FIRST

PAF always get behind enemy lines and wreck havoc worlds best they even defeated ur RAF typhoon in simulated dogfight held in turkey so dont talk about what u know
Every indian city is under our range thats why we stop increasing our missile range to avoid sanction because ironically everyone is ok with india having an ICBM but not with Pakistan. Indian AAD is also crap

 

[Windjammer]

Tell me some more, Jammed up. What happened during the 1965 war? What was the lack of finish that you astutely noticed? And what victory toast are you referring to? The famous remark which nobody has been able to trace or source till today?

Firstly for the highlighted, you are indeed a NOBODY who is trying hard to remain relevant.

6th September, 1965 General Choudhary, the Indian Corps Commander of XI Corps , issued invitations to his staff officers for a cocktail party at Gymkhana

Lahore that evening. Since it was midnight his orders were to capture Lahore within

the day. Three hours later at about 0300 hours the Corps moved towards Lahore. All

that lay between them and the Gymkhana were a handful of unaware Pakistani troops

at the border. The Indian Army wanted to capture Lahore and then keep the main

thrust along the GT road. The aim of the attack was to divert pressure from Akhnur.

Well the status quo was maintained if you are going by the word I used, "finish". However at the end of hostilities we had captured more Pakistani land whereas Pakistan had captured mostly barren land, even after Pakistan had attacked first to do the same. Technically we had won.
Yes, PAF on Dec 3 engaged in a preemptive air strike which started the war.
As for East Pakistan, NO that was not the start of the 71 war. That was just us giving you the taste of your own medicine we only fueled the dissidents in East Pakistan the same way Pakistan had been doing since 1947 in Kashmir, only difference was we succeeded whereas you lot failed and have been failing even till today.
I know my history, it would do you better to learn the full and unedited history, rather than the edited version from your textbooks.

You are right, apparently you don't really get taxed for talking BS.

I wonder if the Admins charged for each post, would your kind be such a waste of space posting crap without remorse, launching attack on Lahore in the middle of night certainly translates into Pakistan declaring the war and while artillery duels and air combat had already taken place in Eastern sector towards the end of November, the strike on 3rd December in West was anything but pre-emptive. All hail Indian history. And count your blessings that BB compromised with Rajiv and you were saved the humiliation and even today you need an army of several hundred thousands to try and contain a few hundred freedom fighters speaks volumes about your prowess.

 

[Mav3rick]

A fully fledged war between Pakistan and india would go nuclear and would result in the total destruction of both nations. If not total destruction then either or both nations would be left in a situation that they could never recover from and would make the survivors envy the dead. It would also poison and possibly destroy neighbouring nations aswell.

A full fledged war with India will never go Nuclear because Pakistani conventional forces are enough to repeal any Indian aggression.

The N-Weapons are meant as a threat, as a deterrent and as a means to maintain status quo rather than any country opting for stupid adventurism......as we have done in the past and India intended to do after 2001/2 attacks. But they will never become a viable option, for either side, for any reason.

 

[Windows 10]

Who won after 14 pages ?

 

[MilSpec]

The lack bravado in the forum is impressive
The lack of understanding modern warefare is astonishing.
The unwillingness to see or acknowledge your weaknesses is sign of internal inferiority complex.

Indians openly tell you they need to replace their mig fleet
indians openly tell you they need T72 to be ungraded to have nightvision
that the indian army lacks x y & z

its open there are no secrets its there to see....

YET WILL A PAKISTANI EVER SAY

80% of the PAF is obsolete with no bvr and just dated mirages/F7/mig21 clones.

That PAF has 10% THE AIRLIFT capacity of the Indians

That PAF has virtual zero medium or long range SAM or ABM systems.

That the PAKISTANI army still has 800 T59S that are 50 year old technology

hardly any helicopters and virtually enough ammo and reserves to fight for 7-10 days

Finally how many cities of major importance sit within touching distance of the indian military. Lahore Islamabhad rawlpindi . ie all your entire commercial centres are with in 5 mins range of cruse missles smirch BMRL and massive air strikes

india has weaknesses but if they ever had the courage or resolve to unleash their entire military and conventional might to destroy Pakistan they can wreck havoc in all of pakistans key industrial and military centres.

Simply the Indians have
Far greater strategic depth
Far more resources
Far more political support

What the Indians lack has some one suggested is the stomach for the fight or they worry too much about GDP GROWTH .

FOR Pakistanis they have nothing to lose

The focus still remains is Indian is fast loosing it's conventional edge. Irrespective of Pakistan's variations in conventional platforms, Indian systems are depleting faster than we can induct new units or modernize existing platforms.

Previous dispensation showed extreme institutional inaction severely dented the Armed forces modernization programs. So yes, India military strength has been diluted as a side effect of political bickering, weak leadership, lack of ownership and ineffective planning. It will take atleast 5-6 years for the process to get back on the envisioned roadmap.

Firstly for the highlighted, you are indeed a NOBODY who is trying hard to remain relevant.

I wonder if the Admins charged for each post, would your kind be such a waste of space posting crap without remorse, launching attack on Lahore in the middle of night certainly translates into Pakistan declaring the war and while artillery duels and air combat had already taken place in Eastern sector towards the end of November, the strike on 3rd December in West was anything but pre-emptive. All hail Indian history. And count your blessings that BB compromised with Rajiv and you were saved the humiliation and even today you need an army of several hundred thousands to try and contain a few hundred freedom fighters speaks volumes about your prowess.

I will let your own ACM refute you.