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NEW DELHI: The government is moving swiftly to mollify the American establishment that is deeply upset over rejection of both their fighter aircraft from the $10 billion MMRCA (medium multirole combat aircraft) contract for the Indian Air Force. Among the steps being taken is a decision to significantly increase the order for C-17 Globemaster-III strategic airlift aircraft from Boeing from the present projection of 10. TOI had first reported about the C-17 deal on May 13.

Besides, the Army is moving quickly to conclude a $1 billion purchase of ultra light howitzer guns in a couple of months. An Army quality assurance team is in the US for final leg of assessments.

Sources said the American side has been told about India's interest to continue with FMS (foreign military sales) government-to-government deals as well as the decision to look at "significantly larger" order for C-17 aircraft. "Ultimately, the total C-17 purchase could be very close to the MMRCA deal," a source said.

He said the Americans were "told" at various levels about India's desire to look at purchasing five to seven more C-17 aircraft. If India were to buy seven more C-17s, then the total deal value would be well over $7 billion. Already, the IAF has a purchase order for 10 of these aircraft.

The MMRCA contract for 126 fighters in which both Boeing's F-18 and Lockheed Martin's F-16 were rejected a few days ago is worth approximately $10 billion.

The Cabinet Committee on Security is expected to approve IAF's original projection for 10 of these transport aircraft, pegged at over $4 billion. The proposed five-to-seven more aircraft "would be approved over the next few months", sources said. Work on increasing the C-17 order is already underway. Among the security agencies set to acquire the massive military aircraft is Aviation Research Centre, the external intelligence agency RAW's aviation arm. Given its capability to airdrop over 100 commandos, C-17s would also be acquired for improving Special Forces capabilities outside of the military, sources said.

Meanwhile, the Army has dispatched a team to the US to carry out quality assurance assessments of maintenance and other technical specifications of M777, the ultra light howitzers manufactured by BAE Systems US and which is proposed to be acquired for deployment in mountains.

Once the team returns, "it wouldn't take much time to conclude the deal", sources said, adding that a June-end deadline was being looked at. He also hinted that this order too could go up, now that the government is expected to approve Army's recommendation to raise a dedicated mountain strike corps for China border.


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Boeing EA-18G Growler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Go thru the capabilities of this machine. India needs this one.

10 C17's are enough.

I like your 'kid in a candystore' approach to procurement lol.

I agree to CardSharp on "Kid in a candystore" comment. Growler separate vetical on Electronic Warfare Systems, and somebody tomorrow will come and say we should be having XYZ instead of growler for the Air Force.

These purchases depend on requirements at various verticals. The contentions can be between C130J and C17s. But not with Growler.
 
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10 C17's are enough.

Instead try negotiating for one squadron of Growlers.

10 are not enough but we need minimum 30 C-17 Globemaster III to meet the requirements of mobilizations.


Yes, I agree that we need to consider EA-18G. Its an outstanding EA aircraft.
 
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What I am trying to say is that just dont buy more C-17's just for the sake of increasing the revenue order size to satisfy the Americans.

Growlers are machines that India can get from no other country.

India can buy heavy lift planes (though not of the same size as C-17) from Russia and CIS.
 
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10 are not enough but we need minimum 30 C-17 Globemaster III to meet the requirements of mobilizations.


Yes, I agree that we need to consider EA-18G. Its an outstanding EA aircraft.

Agree with you! on the C17. Growler can wait till we have conventional systems in place. We are still filling the backlog and up-gradation negligence. Once when we break even we can look at future systems. Yes all this need to be accelerated before we again become negligent. ;)
 
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10 C-17's means we will be able to carry 135o troops.Minimum 50 is req by 2025.
 
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What I am trying to say is that just dont buy more C-17's just for the sake of increasing the revenue order size to satisfy the Americans.

Growlers are machines that India can get from no other country.

India can buy heavy lift planes (though not of the same size as C-17) from Russia and CIS.

I see where you are coming from. But C17 is required for its capability and heavy lift for rapid mobilizations which is a major flaw till now. Looking at the vast Indian Frontier we need at least 15 - 20 C17s
 
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What I am trying to say is that just dont buy more C-17's just for the sake of increasing the revenue order size to satisfy the Americans.

Growlers are machines that India can get from no other country.

India can buy heavy lift planes (though not of the same size as C-17) from Russia and CIS.

The 'consolation prize' is media build up, as you know they cannot write anything without some sort of masala in it. We need C-17 in good numbers during war as well as peacetime they will be big asset for fast movement of troops along our vast country. IAF felt it during various exercises and after 26/11. So they are investing heavily.

As for buying from others I do not think there is any other comparable military transport aircraft operational today that has same or near technological level of Globemaster-III.
 
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