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India's biggest Lie exposed, "No Surgical Strike" says World Body

This LIE has to be spread world over now - its 1.2 billion Indian populations being insulted and fooled by, Modi govt, Indian DGMO as they turned out to be flat liars - make an example put of liars - we should keep the surgical strike mantra lie up, it has actually exposed entire Indian being and personality of believing in lies, distortions and deception. Indians are born liars...that's a label now becoming common everywhere.

Time is now becoming close to declaring India a deceitful, liar and coward country... uping surgical strike mantra helps Pakistan's cause to unite, expose and thrown down these Indians down.
 
Finding no evidence doesn't even remotely suggest that there were no strikes (thats what surgical strike are!), neither has UN dismissed the strikes in any verbal or written statement. Manipulating words won't prove you right.
 
Finding no evidence doesn't even remotely suggest that there were no strikes (thats what surgical strike are!), neither has UN dismissed the strikes in any verbal or written statement. Manipulating words won't prove you right.

With the same token no one has agreed to your claim either. Its been 7 days yet you are here on PDF convincing us that strikes did take place. Chalo yaar Kay yard karo gay maan liya 2 camps Lahore main bhi giraye hain India ne:bounce:. Pakistan Army vacation pe thee our radars ki saga hum ne satellite antenna legate hain so that we can watch and admire Bollygoof movies. They saw phantom so they had to vacate the border for the mighty super powwa Indian Army. :suicide2::suicide2::suicide2::thank_you2::thank_you2:
 
Finding no evidence doesn't even remotely suggest that there were no strikes (thats what surgical strike are!), neither has UN dismissed the strikes in any verbal or written statement. Manipulating words won't prove you right.
Your own people are doubting it :) .
 
The pakistani desperation is palpable, the above op is an example of their misinterpretation...The topic in UN was about cease fire violations, the answer to a specific question on cross border firing was answered by the Indian spokesperson and that has been twisted.

Any country accused of being "surgically stricken" will actively defend such an allegation. There is no "desperation" in trying to dispel a myth by quoting the UN, inviting journalists to visit the areas, interviewing villagers from there, etc.

After catching a glimpse of India media over the past few weeks, it seems like you guys prefer a mixture of Bollywood and WWE.

If Pakistan today claims that its special operations forces violated your airspace using mysterious helicopters during a time that you fully expected possible aggression/intrusion, killed a few Baloch terrorist leaders hiding on your soil and exfiltrated without a trace... I think the Indian reaction may just be an order of magnitude more dramatic.

Most in Pakistan simply laughed the whole thing off --- I don't think you guys get this, because your journos / war mongers have detailed such impressive details about the "strike" in a sea of articles and talk shows that seem considerably more desperate that any reaction from our side (i.e. taking journalists on a tour of the so-called locations of the fabricated strikes) and inviting an international body to verify the same.
 
Your own people are doubting it :) .
Coz we still have things like free speech and liberal thinking left in our country. Which is completely okay. A civilian can't always be expected to understand military matters. And as much as this matter may pinch my countrymen, I'm kinda proud of it. It means there are still some people left who give reason a priority.
Not the likes of Arnab Goswami. That guy is a wh*re!
And no one is denying the strikes mate, they're just asking for proof which might put a stop to Pakistani denial. And guess what, none of that matters.

With the same token no one has agreed to your claim either. Its been 7 days yet you are here on PDF convincing us that strikes did take place. Chalo yaar Kay yard karo gay maan liya 2 camps Lahore main bhi giraye hain India ne:bounce:. Pakistan Army vacation pe thee our radars ki saga hum ne satellite antenna legate hain so that we can watch and admire Bollygoof movies. They saw phantom so they had to vacate the border for the mighty super powwa Indian Army. :suicide2::suicide2::suicide2::thank_you2::thank_you2:
Well, you ARE right!
Why am I trying to convince you! You KNOW the strikes didn't happen. And thats it! Voilà! No strikes!
Go eat a cookie from my side..
:)
 
Coz we still have things like free speech and liberal thinking left in our country. Which is completely okay. A civilian can't always be expected to understand military matters. And as much as this matter may pinch my countrymen, I'm kinda proud of it. It means there are still some people left who give reason a priority.
Not the likes of Arnab Goswami. That guy is a wh*re!
And no one is denying the strikes mate, they're just asking for proof which might put a stop to Pakistani denial. And guess what, none of that matters.


Well, you ARE right!
Why am I trying to convince you! You KNOW the strikes didn't happen. And thats it! Voilà! No strikes!
Go eat a cookie from my side..
:)

I had beef biryani:bounce:
 
and the Ground stories ..goes like this...............

@Abingdonboy @hinduguy @Norwegian @joe-shearer

When news of the IA’s cross-LoC raids reached the PA’s GHQ in Rawalpindi by 4.30am on January 29, it was wrongly assumed by GHQ that these raids took place only in the PA’s Bhimber and Tatta Pani sectors inside Azad Kashmir, this being an indication of the successes of the IA’s and IAF’s diversionary tactics. Within the hour, the Pakistani Prime Minister and the PA’s Chief of the Army Staff were told about these raids as well, following which it was decided to contact US Secretary of State John Kerry. In the US, the matter was referred by Kerry to US NSA Dr Susan Rice, who in turn contacted her Indian counterpart Ajit Doval and sought clarifications. Upon receiving the necessary details, clarifications and assurances (that were repeated later in the day at a press-conference by the IA’s DGMO Lt Gen Ranbir Singh), Dr Rice reverted back to Islamabad with the India-supplied updates.

T
he GHQ then went into a huddle to decide its next course of action. Retaliatory cross-LoC raids were immediately ruled out, since if they were to be conducted, then the PA would have been required to admit that a cross-LoC raid had been mounted by the IA, which in turn would have meant that there indeed were unacknowledged sanctuaries within Azad Kashmir for accommodating both terrorists and irregular active combatants from proscribed ‘tanzeems’. Consequently, the GHQ decided on an elaborate counter-narrative based on outright denial.


This then led to the Inter Services Public Relations Directorate (ISPR) organising a press-trip to only those two sectors (Bhimber and Tatta Pani) where the IA had resorted to only cross-LoC shelling.
(Making fool its citizens and its itself, they didnt taken to places where actual strike happens)

The real insertion by foot of the IA’s SF (Para), however, took place in the Lipa, Shardi and Rattapani bulges (i.e. areas where Pakistan-controlled territory juts into J & K).


On October 1, the press-corps from Islamabad was helilifted
first to the Bhimber helipad and from there another Mi-171 ferried the press-corps first to Baghsar, and then to Mandhole village in the PA’s Tatta Pani sector, where it was revealed that the IA’s Sepoy Chandu Babulal Chavan of 37 Rashtriya Rifles was being kept under detention at the Garrison HQ at Nakyal.


The PA, however, is most unlikely to attempt any form of escalation along either the LoC or the WB since it presently has a deployment ratio of 54.6%, while the resting and re-equipping ratio is 12.7%, and the remaining 33% is undergoing the training cycle. This trend will continue for at least another four years, since the defunct Durand Line too became active from mid-2014. It may be recalled that since March 2002, the PA has been forced by elements that later on went on to become the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) by 2006 to wage a three-front war against the TTP and the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) in South Waziristan (which also included Chechan and Uighur militants; against the anti-Shia Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ) and Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan in the sensitive Darra Adam Khel-Kohat area of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa or KPK (formerly NWFP) and the Shia-dominated Kurram Agency of FATA; and, against the Tehrik-e-Nifaz-Shariat-e-Mohammadi (TNSM), headed by Maulana Fazlullah, and the Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) in the Swat Valley of KPK. The TTP’s cadre base is more than 20,000 tribesmen and the Abdullah Mehsud group from the Alizai clan of the Mehsud tribe from South Waziristan commands about 5,000 fighters. Other militant groups within the TTP include Maulvi Nazir from the Kaka Khel sub-tribe of the Ahmadzai Waziri tribe (South Waziristan), Hafiz Gul Bahadur from the Ibrahim Khel clan of the Utmanzai Wazir tribe (North Waziristan), the Haqqani network using manpower from the Mezi sub-tribe of the Zadran tribe (North Waziristan), Mangal Bagh (Khyber), TNSM (Swat, Dir, Malakand), and Faqir Mohammad (Bajaur).


Some 35% of PA troops (about 180,000 out of an end-strength of approximately 550,000 active-duty personnel and another 500,000 reservists) were engaged in LIC campaigns since 2007 till 2014 and are still literally bogged down throughout the entire 27,200 square kilometres of FATA. Formations fully committed to on-LIC operations include the 37 Mechanised Infantry Division and 17 Ubfantry vDivision from Mangla-based I Corps in Swat, 19 Infantry Division from X Corps in northern Swat (based out of Jhelum), 7 Infantry Division from Rawalpindi-based X Corps in North Waziristan (based out of Mardan), 9 Infantry Division from Peshawar-based XI Corps in South Waziristan (based out of Kohat),14 Division from Multan-based II Corps, Jhelum-based 23 Division of the X Corps, and 40 Infantry Division. The Gujranwala-based XXX Corps and the Bahawalpur-based XXXI Corps lent one brigade each. In all, there are approximately 17 infantry brigades or 45 infantry battalions, and 58 Frontier Corps (FC) wings now engaged in LIC operations. By mid-2011, 1,83,400 troops had a westward deployment orientation, while another 10,000 are now abroad on UN-related peacekeeping missions

The five defensive holding Corps of the PA against the IB are: XXXI Corps (Bahawalpur) that has 18 Brigades of which six are to guard the border and now one of its Divisions and two Brigades out of these are in FATA; XXX Corps (Gujranwala) has four (14, 10, 54, 104) of out of its nine Brigades employed in FATA; X Corps (Rawalpindi) has a total 17 Brigades of which 13 Brigades should be deployed against the IB but now one of its of Divisions and five (1, 7, 26, 28, 333) Brigades are in FATA; V Corps (Karachi) has six out of its 10 Brigades for the IB of which one (105) is in FATA; and IV Corps (Lahore) has 17 Brigades out of which eight should be facing the IB but three of them (22, 105, 106) are in FATA. Given such an extensive deployment along the Durand Line in accordance with the PA’s ‘seize and hold’ force posture, the PA today is in no position to mount any credible offensive AirLand campaign against its Indian counterpart, and this will remain the ground reality at least till 2020. It is also therefore no wonder that the PA has between 2009 and 2013 been able to conduct only four field exercises under the Azm-E-Nau (New Resolve) series, with the last one being just a table-top exercise.
 
There was a surgical strike, a lone hero Indian soldier snuck behind enemy lines and very carefully aimed a punch in the groin of an enemy soldier. After a perfect hit he ran all the way back to India in triumph.
 
Lol we have killed 30-35 of your soldiers in cross border firing and injured alot of them. What on earth are you talking about?
UNMOGIP offices are in Srinagar and Muzaffarabad

They cant know what goes on at the LOC
Sir the message was not to UN or any other nation but it was to PA and terrorist which has been properly received.

This LIE has to be spread world over now - its 1.2 billion Indian populations being insulted and fooled by, Modi govt, Indian DGMO as they turned out to be flat liars - make an example put of liars - we should keep the surgical strike mantra lie up, it has actually exposed entire Indian being and personality of believing in lies, distortions and deception. Indians are born liars...that's a label now becoming common everywhere.

Time is now becoming close to declaring India a deceitful, liar and coward country... uping surgical strike mantra helps Pakistan's cause to unite, expose and thrown down these Indians down.
Sir Indian population is far better educated and have far better wisdom than our western neighbour you can confirm this with no. of CEOs in global corps are Indian or have roots to India rather pakistan. You also have similar reputation but they become CEOs of most wanted dead or alive type organisation (Worlds best companies come for talent hunt to India and worlds best terrorist gets training in Pakistan). Hence to make some body fool in India is far more difficult than in Pakistan. They do not go by empty words like some hoobdo goobdo said something and it is taken as gospel truth. Indian Army reputation goes much higher than Pakistan, many times americans have said that even when they are telling the truth then also they were not taken serious. We have every reason to believe the strikes happened and the best proof is panic in Pakistan.
 
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sir gee kal..... sur ji kal... I guess you too wanted to make your reply sound funny.. but it aint bro. do something new other than jus just being desperate.. time for a new thread i guess.
You are also in Hanuman Army? Sat Sari Kal(^-^)
 
and the Ground stories ..goes like this...............

@Abingdonboy @hinduguy @Norwegian @joe-shearer

When news of the IA’s cross-LoC raids reached the PA’s GHQ in Rawalpindi by 4.30am on January 29, it was wrongly assumed by GHQ that these raids took place only in the PA’s Bhimber and Tatta Pani sectors inside Azad Kashmir, this being an indication of the successes of the IA’s and IAF’s diversionary tactics. Within the hour, the Pakistani Prime Minister and the PA’s Chief of the Army Staff were told about these raids as well, following which it was decided to contact US Secretary of State John Kerry. In the US, the matter was referred by Kerry to US NSA Dr Susan Rice, who in turn contacted her Indian counterpart Ajit Doval and sought clarifications. Upon receiving the necessary details, clarifications and assurances (that were repeated later in the day at a press-conference by the IA’s DGMO Lt Gen Ranbir Singh), Dr Rice reverted back to Islamabad with the India-supplied updates.

T
he GHQ then went into a huddle to decide its next course of action. Retaliatory cross-LoC raids were immediately ruled out, since if they were to be conducted, then the PA would have been required to admit that a cross-LoC raid had been mounted by the IA, which in turn would have meant that there indeed were unacknowledged sanctuaries within Azad Kashmir for accommodating both terrorists and irregular active combatants from proscribed ‘tanzeems’. Consequently, the GHQ decided on an elaborate counter-narrative based on outright denial.


This then led to the Inter Services Public Relations Directorate (ISPR) organising a press-trip to only those two sectors (Bhimber and Tatta Pani) where the IA had resorted to only cross-LoC shelling.
(Making fool its citizens and its itself, they didnt taken to places where actual strike happens)

The real insertion by foot of the IA’s SF (Para), however, took place in the Lipa, Shardi and Rattapani bulges (i.e. areas where Pakistan-controlled territory juts into J & K).


On October 1, the press-corps from Islamabad was helilifted
first to the Bhimber helipad and from there another Mi-171 ferried the press-corps first to Baghsar, and then to Mandhole village in the PA’s Tatta Pani sector, where it was revealed that the IA’s Sepoy Chandu Babulal Chavan of 37 Rashtriya Rifles was being kept under detention at the Garrison HQ at Nakyal.


The PA, however, is most unlikely to attempt any form of escalation along either the LoC or the WB since it presently has a deployment ratio of 54.6%, while the resting and re-equipping ratio is 12.7%, and the remaining 33% is undergoing the training cycle. This trend will continue for at least another four years, since the defunct Durand Line too became active from mid-2014. It may be recalled that since March 2002, the PA has been forced by elements that later on went on to become the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) by 2006 to wage a three-front war against the TTP and the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) in South Waziristan (which also included Chechan and Uighur militants; against the anti-Shia Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ) and Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan in the sensitive Darra Adam Khel-Kohat area of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa or KPK (formerly NWFP) and the Shia-dominated Kurram Agency of FATA; and, against the Tehrik-e-Nifaz-Shariat-e-Mohammadi (TNSM), headed by Maulana Fazlullah, and the Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) in the Swat Valley of KPK. The TTP’s cadre base is more than 20,000 tribesmen and the Abdullah Mehsud group from the Alizai clan of the Mehsud tribe from South Waziristan commands about 5,000 fighters. Other militant groups within the TTP include Maulvi Nazir from the Kaka Khel sub-tribe of the Ahmadzai Waziri tribe (South Waziristan), Hafiz Gul Bahadur from the Ibrahim Khel clan of the Utmanzai Wazir tribe (North Waziristan), the Haqqani network using manpower from the Mezi sub-tribe of the Zadran tribe (North Waziristan), Mangal Bagh (Khyber), TNSM (Swat, Dir, Malakand), and Faqir Mohammad (Bajaur).


Some 35% of PA troops (about 180,000 out of an end-strength of approximately 550,000 active-duty personnel and another 500,000 reservists) were engaged in LIC campaigns since 2007 till 2014 and are still literally bogged down throughout the entire 27,200 square kilometres of FATA. Formations fully committed to on-LIC operations include the 37 Mechanised Infantry Division and 17 Ubfantry vDivision from Mangla-based I Corps in Swat, 19 Infantry Division from X Corps in northern Swat (based out of Jhelum), 7 Infantry Division from Rawalpindi-based X Corps in North Waziristan (based out of Mardan), 9 Infantry Division from Peshawar-based XI Corps in South Waziristan (based out of Kohat),14 Division from Multan-based II Corps, Jhelum-based 23 Division of the X Corps, and 40 Infantry Division. The Gujranwala-based XXX Corps and the Bahawalpur-based XXXI Corps lent one brigade each. In all, there are approximately 17 infantry brigades or 45 infantry battalions, and 58 Frontier Corps (FC) wings now engaged in LIC operations. By mid-2011, 1,83,400 troops had a westward deployment orientation, while another 10,000 are now abroad on UN-related peacekeeping missions

The five defensive holding Corps of the PA against the IB are: XXXI Corps (Bahawalpur) that has 18 Brigades of which six are to guard the border and now one of its Divisions and two Brigades out of these are in FATA; XXX Corps (Gujranwala) has four (14, 10, 54, 104) of out of its nine Brigades employed in FATA; X Corps (Rawalpindi) has a total 17 Brigades of which 13 Brigades should be deployed against the IB but now one of its of Divisions and five (1, 7, 26, 28, 333) Brigades are in FATA; V Corps (Karachi) has six out of its 10 Brigades for the IB of which one (105) is in FATA; and IV Corps (Lahore) has 17 Brigades out of which eight should be facing the IB but three of them (22, 105, 106) are in FATA. Given such an extensive deployment along the Durand Line in accordance with the PA’s ‘seize and hold’ force posture, the PA today is in no position to mount any credible offensive AirLand campaign against its Indian counterpart, and this will remain the ground reality at least till 2020. It is also therefore no wonder that the PA has between 2009 and 2013 been able to conduct only four field exercises under the Azm-E-Nau (New Resolve) series, with the last one being just a table-top exercise.
If you did not copy paste all this, then you need to play Hearts of Iron 3 (Black Ice Mod), if you haven't already...
 
Extreme jingoism may boomerang on India

Seema Sengupta | Published — Tuesday 4 October 2016

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Having sounded the war bugle over the killing of 17 Indian soldiers in a suspicious terror attack in Indian-administered-Kashmir’s Uri town on Sept. 18, New Delhi seems to have settled for a quite surrender after taking its propaganda warfare to a practically unsustainable level.
From mounting hit-and-run operation deep inside Pakistani administered territory to abrogating the 1960 Indus Waters Treaty that governs the water-sharing arrangement for six rivers of the Indus basin flowing through both India and Pakistan, security pundits have been advising Indian Premier Narendra Modi on every conceivable action that can be launched to push Islamabad to the wall. And yes, this “isolate Pakistan” concept, involving a laborious process of crying and begging in front of big powers to make them heed to Indian request, has not only received full support at the government level but also encouraged the ultra-jingoist Hindu nationalist constituency to spread war hysteria. While poignant images of deceased soldiers’ distraught family members receiving coffins are bound to be heart-wrenching, a deliberate attempt is being made at the official level to exploit this gloom and turn it into a rage. And very unfortunately, citizens in Mahatma Gandhi’s India are busy sharing propagandistic-cum-jingoist images, apart from offering innumerable strategies to cripple Pakistan permanently. At a time when creating peace constituencies should have been the priority of the government, it is indeed uncomfortable for any sane individual to watch helplessly how public opinion is sought to be incited by forcing even the mainstream media to propagate falsehood. Ordinary Indians were literally led up the garden path and made to believe that the international community was rooting for India and that they stand in full support of New Delhi’s attempt to punish its western neighbor adequately.
In reality, New Delhi’s strategic choices are limited, if not nil, given the strategic parity that Pakistan has acquired after developing tactical nuclear weapons to neutralize enemy threats. Notwithstanding the prejudiced interpretation of international reaction, post Uri attack, by Indian security analysts, the global community, in fact, has distanced itself from Indian establishment’s war-cry, nudging both New Delhi and Islamabad, instead, to sit across the table and settle all pending issues amicably. All statements, coming from United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon to other world leaders, have emphasized upon the need for restraint and encouraged the stakeholders to meet their respective responsibilities of maintaining peace and stability in the extended South Asian region. Even an all-weather friend like Russia has signaled its clear intent to move forward with the long-term objective of building a strong plinth for a robust Pakistan-Russia bilateral partnership to stand on in the future, disregarding India’s plea to abandon such idea. Rather, Russia’s political and military leadership sincerely believes that the development of constructive relations between Moscow and Islamabad will be an important factor in ensuring regional stability and international security — the reason why Russian troops landed in Pakistan to participate in its first-ever joint military exercise with the Cold War rival, days after the Uri incident.
Unfortunately, Modi’s jingoistic India is somehow missing the point that the world in general will be averse to a nation, where more than two third of its people clamor for violent conflict, taking a place in the high table of global politics or international institutions, entrusted with the responsibility of peace enforcement. Worse still, India is fast turning into a country with a rogue mind-set, whose leadership can even contemplate starving a lower riparian neighboring state of water. Yashwant Sinha, a senior Bharatiya Janata Party colleague of Modi, who served as India’s external affairs minister previously, while advising the Indian government to annul the critical Indus Waters Treaty with immediate effect, wrote categorically in a newspaper article “treaty terms are observed between friends, not enemies. Pakistan is an enemy state of India…India will, therefore, be fully justified in abrogating the Indus Waters Treaty with Pakistan.” And to this writer’s extreme dismay, Modi, according to establishment sources, is seriously toying with this idea of squeezing Pakistan by stopping or reducing water flow in the Indus River and its tributaries.
Does Modi not know that tinkering with this water sharing covenant with the motive to parch Indus basin tantamount to butchering 190 million people across the western frontier by cutting off their lifeline? After all, nearly 70 percent of Pakistan’s geographical area, including its granary Punjab, is fed by Indus. Moreover, the country’s vast canal irrigation system, the world’s largest, is completely dependent on water from Indus and its tributaries. Besides, Pakistan’s three largest dams located in the Indus basin are sources for hydroelectricity, irrigation and drinking water for millions of Pakistani citizens.
By turning off the tap, Modi can bring Islamabad to its knees, but will simultaneously induce extreme anti-India sentiments in other neighboring states of South Asia, apart from causing annoyance in global capitals. So, Modi needs to be firmly reminded that creating such disastrous precedent, of converting water into a strategic tool, will boomerang on India, whose fertile plains are mostly watered by rivers originating in Tibet.

Seema Sengupta is a Calcutta-based journalist and columnist
 
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