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Sheikh Rauf said:
are you funny or retarted one million army on innocent population holding the world biggest jail, killing them raping them they cant even burried their dead bodies cant pray in masajids and you except no one will say a word, its actually india who have been creating mess in region. Killing non population doesnt make india machoman.
lost 100 thousands square KMs and cant do thing means you cowards only shout first and hit when no response if they slap you back then you guys just loud on world forum..
Pakistan have every right to do what its in intrest.
Kashmir is not and never was internal matter of india.
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Who lost 100000 sq kms? lol. You are delusional.

 
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Peshwa said:
Leave the SCO and let go of a chance to derail and veto any developments that may benefit Pakistan? Never!
We will be there, lock, stock and barrel and we will troll. Ukhad lo jo ukhadna hai lolol

Better start calling this the Shanghai Non-Cooperation Organization moving forward lol
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Has it not dawned on you that the founding member of SCO, China, clubbed to death your 20 plus soldiers, evicted you from 1000 sq kms of your claimed territory , and you showing audacity to talk about who is spoiling the regional cooperation. Maybe once you have stopped sniffing on yanks behind, you might get a tad bit of respect that you so crave for.

While Dovel was throwing his toys out from his pram, the rest just carried on, ignoring the cry baby. Enjoy!
 
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bahadur said:
we will take back our land in the same manner as we retook kargil.
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first take back kargil peaks
i wish you do it same 22 years passed ans point 5353 is stil under pakistan



The rarely told story of vital Point 5353 India failed to retake from Pakistan in Kargil
Sujan Dutta 23 July, 2018 6:39 pm IST





Kargil War
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Some 19 years after the war, ThePrint pieces together events that prevented the Indian Army from capturing some vital heights during the war.


New Delhi: Days before the 19th anniversary of the 1999 Kargil War, which falls on 26 July, a little-known controversy of the time is getting a fresh lease of life.


On Sunday, social media activists supposedly based in Pakistan, repeatedly targeted Gen. Ved Prakash Malik (retd) for the Army’s inability to recapture at least three heights near the Line of Control that continue to be in Pakistani possession.


Gen. Malik was the Army chief during the war.


The discourse was particularly centred on a strategically significant feature, Point 5353, which has a domineering view of the national highway between Srinagar and Leh. It has never been occupied by Indian forces since the war.


ThePrint pieces together the events that prevented the Army from regaining Point 5353 (the numbers denote the height of the peak in metres), including a directive from the Vajpayee government and failed attempts to broker a settlement with the Pakistani army.

An objective of the war

The war was sparked by the presence of intruders, backed by the Pakistani army then headed by Gen. Pervez Musharraf, who occupied the heights between 11,000 and 17,500 feet.




The intruders had illegally occupied peaks named Tololing, Tiger Hill and unnamed features like Point 4170 and Point 5353 that belonged to India on a 100-km long front.


They were also functioning as ‘observers’ for the Pakistani artillery to direct fire on Indian military traffic.


The heights are vital to the Indian Army as in the summer months they are used to stock up on winter rations before the national highway is covered in snow. This is also the route for supplies to be ferried to soldiers on the Siachen Glacier.


When the Indian Army set out to free the territory of intrusions, with aid from the Air Force, recapturing Point 5353 was one of its objectives. The Army launched “Operation Vijay” and the air force “Operation Safed Sagar”.

Unfinished business

When the operations began, the Vajpayee government made it clear that men and aircraft had to go about their task without crossing the Line of Control, increasing the complexity of mountain warfare.


This severe limitation was probably responsible for Indian forces not being able to clear all the heights used by the Pakistanis to impede Indian traffic.


This reporter, who was with the 18 Grenadiers battalion led by Colonel Kushal Thakur when the Kargil War was reaching its climax — it was never formally declared a ‘war’ — was given a view and a sense of the strategic importance of capturing Point 5353.


From the village of Holiyal in the Mushkoh, where a dilapidated primary school was used as a forward operating base for the battalion, Point 5353 was just east of and behind Tiger Hill through a tract called Sando Gully.


The officer had then pointed out that if the Pakistanis are to be denied a strategic view of National Highway 1A, then Point 5353 would have to be cleared.


The fact that it continues to remain in Pakistani hands shows that it is clearly an unfinished agenda of the war.


But accounts on why this happened and why India decided to drop the capture of Point 5353 have emerged now, the latest being Gen. Malik’s tweets this Sunday.


Without going into the specifics, the General tweeted that the Army had completed its missions by 26 July, 1999.







But ThePrint has pieced together a fuller account of why Indian troops could not achieve all objectives, including capturing the domineering Point 5353.

An order and a barter

Apart from insisting that men and machine do not cross the LoC, the Vajpayee government believed that the objectives had been substantially achieved. Then defence minister George Fernandes repeatedly said that “Point 5353 was on the Line of Control” and that by convention, the heights on the LoC are never occupied by either country.


But one of the reasons why the war began was that the intruders, in the winter of 1998-1999, had occupied positions that India was traditionally vacating.


The second reason for the Army’s inability to secure Point 5353 is illustrated in the account of the skirmishes by Lt. Gen. Mohinder Puri (retd), who was at the time a Major-General commanding the 8 Mountain Division and in whose theatre the major battles took place. His account, therefore, has to be one of the most authentic.


In his book, Kargil: Turning the Tide (Lancer, 2016), Gen. Puri acknowledges that “a lot of controversies were generated on the status of Point 5353 after the war”.


He then provides the reasons: “This feature lies on the Pakistan side and to capture it, the attacking troops have to approach from the north entailing crossing the LC (Line of Control). Since the LC was not to be crossed and the feature being on the Pakistan side, we had no plans to secure it”.


Indian forces then sought to make a barter.


“The enemy occupied Point 5353 as an observation post. In turn, we were in occupation of a feature on the LC. The Pakistani CO established radio contact with CO 16 Gren (commanding officer, 16 Grenadiers) and requested vacation from this feature. We asked him to reciprocate and vacate Point 5353 to which he agreed. However, he reoccupied Point 5353 on 2 August and in retaliation besides occupying the feature vacated by us, 16 Gren was directed to occupy Point 5245 which was southeast of Point 5353. With this event, the war ended in the Mushkoh-Drass sector.”
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Imran Khan said:
first take back kargil peaks
i wish you do it same 22 years passed ans point 5353 is stil under pakistan



The rarely told story of vital Point 5353 India failed to retake from Pakistan in Kargil
Sujan Dutta 23 July, 2018 6:39 pm IST





Kargil War
File photo of the Kargil War | Getty Images

Text Size:

Some 19 years after the war, ThePrint pieces together events that prevented the Indian Army from capturing some vital heights during the war.


New Delhi: Days before the 19th anniversary of the 1999 Kargil War, which falls on 26 July, a little-known controversy of the time is getting a fresh lease of life.


On Sunday, social media activists supposedly based in Pakistan, repeatedly targeted Gen. Ved Prakash Malik (retd) for the Army’s inability to recapture at least three heights near the Line of Control that continue to be in Pakistani possession.


Gen. Malik was the Army chief during the war.


The discourse was particularly centred on a strategically significant feature, Point 5353, which has a domineering view of the national highway between Srinagar and Leh. It has never been occupied by Indian forces since the war.


ThePrint pieces together the events that prevented the Army from regaining Point 5353 (the numbers denote the height of the peak in metres), including a directive from the Vajpayee government and failed attempts to broker a settlement with the Pakistani army.

An objective of the war

The war was sparked by the presence of intruders, backed by the Pakistani army then headed by Gen. Pervez Musharraf, who occupied the heights between 11,000 and 17,500 feet.




The intruders had illegally occupied peaks named Tololing, Tiger Hill and unnamed features like Point 4170 and Point 5353 that belonged to India on a 100-km long front.


They were also functioning as ‘observers’ for the Pakistani artillery to direct fire on Indian military traffic.


The heights are vital to the Indian Army as in the summer months they are used to stock up on winter rations before the national highway is covered in snow. This is also the route for supplies to be ferried to soldiers on the Siachen Glacier.


When the Indian Army set out to free the territory of intrusions, with aid from the Air Force, recapturing Point 5353 was one of its objectives. The Army launched “Operation Vijay” and the air force “Operation Safed Sagar”.

Unfinished business

When the operations began, the Vajpayee government made it clear that men and aircraft had to go about their task without crossing the Line of Control, increasing the complexity of mountain warfare.


This severe limitation was probably responsible for Indian forces not being able to clear all the heights used by the Pakistanis to impede Indian traffic.


This reporter, who was with the 18 Grenadiers battalion led by Colonel Kushal Thakur when the Kargil War was reaching its climax — it was never formally declared a ‘war’ — was given a view and a sense of the strategic importance of capturing Point 5353.


From the village of Holiyal in the Mushkoh, where a dilapidated primary school was used as a forward operating base for the battalion, Point 5353 was just east of and behind Tiger Hill through a tract called Sando Gully.


The officer had then pointed out that if the Pakistanis are to be denied a strategic view of National Highway 1A, then Point 5353 would have to be cleared.


The fact that it continues to remain in Pakistani hands shows that it is clearly an unfinished agenda of the war.


But accounts on why this happened and why India decided to drop the capture of Point 5353 have emerged now, the latest being Gen. Malik’s tweets this Sunday.


Without going into the specifics, the General tweeted that the Army had completed its missions by 26 July, 1999.







But ThePrint has pieced together a fuller account of why Indian troops could not achieve all objectives, including capturing the domineering Point 5353.

An order and a barter

Apart from insisting that men and machine do not cross the LoC, the Vajpayee government believed that the objectives had been substantially achieved. Then defence minister George Fernandes repeatedly said that “Point 5353 was on the Line of Control” and that by convention, the heights on the LoC are never occupied by either country.


But one of the reasons why the war began was that the intruders, in the winter of 1998-1999, had occupied positions that India was traditionally vacating.


The second reason for the Army’s inability to secure Point 5353 is illustrated in the account of the skirmishes by Lt. Gen. Mohinder Puri (retd), who was at the time a Major-General commanding the 8 Mountain Division and in whose theatre the major battles took place. His account, therefore, has to be one of the most authentic.


In his book, Kargil: Turning the Tide (Lancer, 2016), Gen. Puri acknowledges that “a lot of controversies were generated on the status of Point 5353 after the war”.


He then provides the reasons: “This feature lies on the Pakistan side and to capture it, the attacking troops have to approach from the north entailing crossing the LC (Line of Control). Since the LC was not to be crossed and the feature being on the Pakistan side, we had no plans to secure it”.


Indian forces then sought to make a barter.


“The enemy occupied Point 5353 as an observation post. In turn, we were in occupation of a feature on the LC. The Pakistani CO established radio contact with CO 16 Gren (commanding officer, 16 Grenadiers) and requested vacation from this feature. We asked him to reciprocate and vacate Point 5353 to which he agreed. However, he reoccupied Point 5353 on 2 August and in retaliation besides occupying the feature vacated by us, 16 Gren was directed to occupy Point 5245 which was southeast of Point 5353. With this event, the war ended in the Mushkoh-Drass sector.”
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The rarely told story of vital Point 5353 India failed to retake from Pakistan in Kargil

Some 19 yrs after the war, ThePrint pieces together events that prevented the Indian Army from capturing a vital height.
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But supa powa says they have the most elite mountain infantry in the world :rofl:
 
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Protest_again said:
Pakistan will loose respect with such antics.
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Lol, And India is at the pinnacle of respect and honor? getting kicked by Chinese in the rear with PM Modi not even saying the word china and you have the audacity to talk about respect?

Grow balls to face the reality around you, This is the new map and you will have to learn to live with it and you will with Ladakh all taken by ( rightfully) Chinese
 
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salarsikander said:
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Lol, And India is at the pinnacle of respect and honor? getting kicked by Chinese in the rear with PM Modi not even saying the word china and you have the audacity to talk about respect?

Grow balls to face the reality around you, This is the new map and you will have to learn to live with it and you will with Ladakh all taken by ( rightfully) Chinese
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Oh please, don't be like our pappu. How does it matter if he didn't say China? He is not fighting America or Russia at our China border, is it? Our Pappu is really pappu, he seems to have fans on your side. Lol.
 
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Protest_again said:
Please how plain are you people? Pakistan loose respect because Ajit Doval took that action. Other countries will realise what Pakistan did to cause that situation. Let's wait and see. No one takes Pakistan seriously in the west and now Russia and other Central Asian countries would evaluate your value to the forum. Only China might still support you.
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Well, if you talk in honest term, after current shenanigans , nobody take India seriously. Everyone in the West knows the reality of terrorist Modi. remember even the USA had him banned to enter the USA because they were certain that he is a terrorist. They have only allowed him in because he is the PM of India. If you select designated terrorists which countries bar them entering, who is losing the respect!!!

More recently, the way Pakistan slapped you on 27th Feb 2019, the Indian's reputation went down the drain.
The fact India couldn't materialise its threat of "Missile Attacks" on Pakistan for fear of reprisals doesn't bode well for them. So does their failure to respond to the airstrikes by Pakistan.
Not to mention the invisible 350+ dead in Pakistan. The world has laughed at Indian claims.

And now for months China is dragging your noses in the dirt. So much so that Modi and others are scared to even utter the name of China. Following "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" philosophy.
It is not going unnoticed in the world.

Remember, when USA, Australia, Japan are trying to have pacts with you, it doesn't mean that they are worried about you, or they are sympathetic with you. It means they have their vested interests dealing with China for various reasons.
They just want you to be the "Lambs to the Slaughter".

It is India to understand the reality, which i think Modi does. No wonder for last 4 months he had kept his mouth sealed. Not even the name of China. :buba_phone:

As for another big mouth Bipin, he is visiting 🚹 frequently after 27th Feb 2019. He has no time for anything else. Sometimes he has verbal diarrhea to go with the actual. :haha:
 
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TNT said:
Yes because the border on the right side is yet to be demarcated between Pakistan and china. Most probably half of laddakh including leh will go to china.
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Ok, we have a political map and it doesn't has boundaries.
 
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313ghazi said:
Exactly. UN is designed to serve the interests of the Western world against the rest of the world. Nations like India use their position to act like serfs of the western world, doing their bidding against China for example.

SCO was setup to promote the interests of countries who the UN tries to curb, namely China and Russia. India is part of SCO because it's a big market and in the region. If it tries calling the shots, it'll be put in it's place like it was yesterday. Russia and China have the same regional interests - they won't let India get in the middle of that.
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Then why do you keep going to UN to drum up Kashmir?
 
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