India's 36 Rafale Fighter Purchase From France Hits Roadblocks

[Thunder Bolt]

New Delhi is holding out for favorable pricing and guarantees that Dassault will invest in the country.

India’s order of 36 off-the-shelf Dassault Rafale fighters, announced in March during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s summit with French President Francois Hollande, is reportedly hitting more than a few roadblocks. Reuters reports that Indian government officials have been struggling to come to a set of final sale terms with the fighter’s manufacturer, Dassault Aviation. These new problems threaten to delay the delivery date of these fighters and their incorporation into the Indian Air Force (IAF).

News of the delay comes shortly after the Indian defense ministry formally announced that the country’s original request for proposal (RFP) for 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) had been scrapped. The March announcement between Modi and Hollande was seen as a stopgap agreement that would satisfy both Dassault, which wanted to close a sale on the Rafale without acquiescing to Indian demands to manufacture a number of fighters in India, and the IAF, which needed modern multi-role fighters to bolster its existing fleet of mostly aging aircraft.

According to Reuters, which cites Indian defense officials with knowledge of the matter, the Indian government and Dassault are negotiating the unit price of the fighters. Reportedly, the sale has become complicated by an Indian request that Dassault Aviation invest “a big percentage” of the revenue it’d receive from this sale in India. The Indian demand appears to be an attempt to have this sale benefit India’s indigenous defense industry, which would have received a boon had the original MMRCA RFP with Dassault gone through. Of the 126 aircraft that were originally planned, New Delhi wanted state firm Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) to build 112 units in India. Concerns over liability and quality assurance kept Dassault from accepting those terms, delaying the MMRCA’s timeline over several years until its official implosion last month.

The new delays highlight hesitation on the Indian side regarding the government’s decision to go with a purchase of 36 units in “fly-away” condition. One of the Indian officials who spoke to Reuters notes that, “Since there is no technology transfer, the price that was on the table during the commercial talks ($200 million per unit) cannot stand.” With the original MMRCA, New Delhi expected technology transfer and manufacturing responsibilities. Still, as earlier reports have noted, the asking price is what Dassault offers the French air force. The IAF’s purchase of Dassault Mirage 2000s in the 1980s took place under similar pricing terms. It seems that from New Delhi’s perspective, 2015′s deal with Dassault should look better than the Mirage purchase.

As I noted recently, now that the MMRCA tender for Dassault is no more, New Delhi is expected to announce that the remaining 90 units MMRCA units needed by the IAF (in addition to the 36 Rafales) will be built within India. In the meantime, it’s unclear just how far Indian negotiators will hold out with Dassault to conclude the 36-jet deal on terms favorable to India.

India’s 36 Rafale Fighter Purchase From France Hits Roadblocks | The Diplomat

 

[Dalit]

Yep, they were scolding me on this forum for saying the truth. I said it before and I will repeat myself. The MMRCA is an unending circus.

 

[datalibdaz]

French dry r***d by the indians since the last decade....The stupid french could had got couple of billion dollars or even more from Pakistanis till now....I hope the get into their senses now and get to know why we call these people broke baniyas...

 

[seven7seven]

I know Indians have a reputation for liking to haggle and getting as much as you can for as little as possible, but this isn't like buying fruits and vegetables, in the market. When you're technologically backwards, like India are, and everyone knows they're desperate to modernise, then India has to know they don't have much leverage in any deal to buy advanced jets. India significantly reduced their order and then they are unhappy Dassault increased the unit price of each Rafale? What else did India expect? That's just inevitable!

Still it's quite amusing to observe, from a non-Indian point of view

 

[[Bregs]]

These road blocs in rafale deal will be solved in next well few weeks at political level

 

[Styx]

mera beta ayega, zaroor ayega

 

[Sarjen29]

Another Thread is already running

 

[Guynextdoor2]

I know Indians have a reputation for liking to haggle and getting as much as you can for as little as possible, but this isn't like buying fruits and vegetables, in the market. When you're technologically backwards, like India are, and everyone knows they're desperate to modernise, then India has to know they don't have much leverage in any deal to buy advanced jets. India significantly reduced their order and then they are unhappy Dassault increased the unit price of each Rafale? What else did India expect? That's just inevitable!

Still it's quite amusing to observe, from a non-Indian point of view

We don't expect amateurs and people from backward countries to understand our complex deliberations.

 

[seven7seven]

We don't expect amateurs and people from backward countries to understand our complex deliberations.

*Chuckles profusely*

 

[NIA]

It is still going but on slow pace because french is asking more money per unit cost.