Indians may quietly be told to let US, Pakistan work out Afghan peace policy

[Jacob Martin]

India financed problems for Pak in Afghanistan, says US defence secretary nominee Chuck Hagel - The Times of India

Abe youtube se news padhegaa toh ullu ka ullu hi rahega...kabhi asli news bhi padha kar.

 

[desimorty]

Let the Afghans and Pakistani work out a peace policy. Its the Afghans who want a say. And for the most part, Afghans want and deserve better connection to India be it diplomatic, or business.
Problem I have is that Pakistan purposely blocking trade with India via a direct connection. I'm glad that India went to Iran. The Iranians see i2i with India on Afghanistan, even China's on-board. Pakistan is the only other country that counts and their foreign policy will decide Afghanistan, which is as always in the hands of PA.
At the very least, India should support Afghan refugees as it has historically done.

 

[Arsalan mehmud]

Abe youtube se news padhegaa toh ullu ka ullu hi rahega...kabhi asli news bhi padha kar.

Ohh you mean Indian channels only...
Jo tujhe suite kare wahi sahi baki sab galat.. That kind of tolerence we are seeing in India now-a-days....

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

WASHINGTON: Intense discussions lasting about two and a half hours between US Vice President Joe Biden and Pakistan Army chief General Raheel Sharif at the White House on Thursday have spurred widely believed speculation that the US side now understands Pakistan better.



“Not just our international and regional, but even domestic constraints and compulsions in the war against terror are also very clearly understood in Washington and most of them agree with our outlook,” a highly-placed member of the civil and military team said after meeting Joe Biden.



As against Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s recent visit and meeting with President Obama, the nature of talks between the US national security team and top Pakistani generals, as one diplomat put it, “meant real business, thrashing out the nitty-gritty.”



General Raheel met almost every tier of the US security, civil and military establishment, beginning at the CIA and ending at the NSA on Friday before flying off to Brazil and in between these meetings he saw the full spectrum of US politicians and decision makers on The Hill.



A member of his team said “there was complete understanding of our positions on both the Republican and Democratic party sides” while the military understood that Pakistan had to play a critical role in the Afghan solution and thus had to be helped and not distracted by others playing dirty games.



This position was articulated by chief spokesman Lt Gen Asim Bajwa in his media briefing who said the US now sees Pakistan “not from the Indian prism” but as a country which had to be handled independent of others.



One interpretation of this comment was that this could mean that the Indians may be quietly told to let the US and Pakistan work out contours of a regional reconciliation policy in Afghanistan “in peace.”



Army chief Gen Raheel also referred to these developments in his address to the Pakistani community on Thursday night which was marred by a lot of confusion about whether it could be, or should be, reported by the media.



We were first told that the speech would be off-the-record. No phones, recorders and even pads and pens were allowed in the hall. Everyone heard in rapt silence and a lot of ovation was given when Gen Raheel made some comments about the ongoing operations and the will of the army to take them to the logical conclusion, come what may.



Then the army chief visited every table to meet guests and when he came to the media table he was politely asked why his speech had been barred from the media. He laughed off the suggestion and referred the matter to Gen Bajwa, who said a briefing was to be given soon.



He did brief the media and gave salient points of the visit, the talks and the speech. But then a TV channel started reporting Raheel’s speech in news tickers and confusion was compounded.



The main points of the speech were picked up by other TV channels and nothing was left off the record. The Pakistan Embassy joined the fray on Friday morning by issuing a censored and tailored version of the speech.



What the embassy missed out were references made by Gen Raheel on the ongoing operation in Pakistan and discussion of internal civil-military relations was totally off the table.



The embassy press release stated: “General Raheel Sharif expressed the unflinching commitment of the armed forces to ensuring peace and security in the country as well as in countering the external threats. He asserted that the Armed Forces of Pakistan would take the war against terrorism to its logical conclusion and would not let the sacrifices of martyrs go in vain.”



What the embassy tried to omit were the very explicit and categorical remarks by Gen Raheel that the financiers, abettors, helpers and supporters of terrorism will be pursued at a great speed and there was no time to waste.



This obviously referred to some of the high-profile cases now being pursued but this was not something which had not been said earlier by the army many times. So why ban it now.



Gen Raheel repeated this twice, once at the beginning and then ending his speech.The security at the event was so tight that even a top level delegation of Pakistan Federal Union of Journalists (PFUJ), now visiting the US, was kept out as there were no seats available.



But curiously two very controversial men made their way to the banquet hall, one named in the current Dr Asim Hussain investigation of money laundering and another brother of a PPP minister who was named in the Ayyan Ali money laundering case.



What these guys were trying to do was not clear and who let them in, with such tight security around, is also a mystery.



But the tone and confidence of Gen Raheel to continue with the operation in Pakistan assured the audience, which gave him a big ovation. It was clear that soon the pace of the operations will pick up speed and at one point the army chief used the specific words: “No reversal, come what may.”



A general in his delegation quietly said this freight train of the ops was “without a reverse gear and even without brakes.”The official briefing by Gen Bajwa indicated the Afghan “recon” policy, a word used repeatedly in talks and speeches, will pick up pace and regional moves will be soon visible.



This was also true for the operations against the financiers and supporters of terrorists and he told his briefing “You will soon see the pace and the priorities that have been decided.”When I asked Gen Bajwa at his briefing if he could specify what are the elements of the priority list which the army thinks have not yet been addressed with speed, he said: “Don’t let us give out our strategy to the enemies. You will see what happens soon.”
Source: The News

After Syria fiasco the importance of countries like Pakistan and Turkiye has increased many folds in the corridors of Washington. It doesn't mean these countries shouldn't play their cards for win/win propositions. There's "Khair" for believers even though it may look like "sher" from the outset!!

 

[Abingdonboy]

Given Pakistan holds a lot of the cards (aka Taliban sanctuaries and support structures) in this game it is hardly surprising that Pakistan would insist on India being left out.

Does it really matter? I can't see how it does. When was the last time "peace talks" amounted to anything in Afghanistan?


India will continue to look out for its own interests in the region- of which it has many, keeping one of Afghanistan's largest trading patners and aid donars out of the process is overtly stupid and delegitimises the entire process.

 

[Jacob Martin]

Ohh you mean Indian channels only...
Jo tujhe suite kare wahi sahi baki sab galat.. That kind of tolerence we are seeing in India now-a-days....

Arre humaare channel gande toh hain, par Pakistani channels jitne nahin. tumhare channels ka production value 80s jaisa hai. Humara toh ab West se 5-6 saal hi pichche hai!

 

[TMA]

Bharat could not accept that those whose ancestors were Hindu/Buddhist over a period of time became Muslim and eventually sought to make their own destiny separate to Bharat post British India.
Afghanistan could not accept that Pushtoons in British India choose Pakistan after the disolution of the British Raj.
This lead to a convergence of interests. Both these countries colluded together to destabilise Pakistan. This is not something recent like after 9/11 or even during the time of the USSR adventure in Afghanistan. This goes back to the founding of Pakistan.

I can understand Bharat wanting to destabilise Pakistan as there exists within her a powerful entity which seeks to relive the "golden age" of Hinduism. This entity is now coming to the forefront with the rise of Modi and Co.
However with Afghanistan could they, our brothers in faith, not resolve our issues without collaborating with Bharat?

 

[Jacob Martin]

Bharat could not accept that those whose ancestors were Hindu/Buddhist over a period of time became Muslim

No that's not what the majority of Pakistanis on PDF claim. According to them their ancestors are from Arabia, Persia, Turkic, Uzbek, Tajik, etc. etc. and have always been Muslim. The conquerors are currently considering whether to accept the subcontinent as their permanent home or still maintain dual citizenship of these countries.

 

[Arsalan mehmud]

Arre humaare channel gande toh hain, par Pakistani channels jitne nahin. tumhare channels ka production value 80s jaisa hai. Humara toh ab West se 5-6 saal hi pichche hai!

Yar..itna west culture is impress ho toh... mandatory hi ker do.. grils with bikini hi bahar nikal sakti hai ya nude bhi chalega toh west se 5-6 saal kya 50 years aage ho jaoge..

Given Pakistan holds a lot of the cards (aka Taliban sanctuaries and support structures) in this game it is hardly surprising that Pakistan would insist on India being left out.

Does it really matter? I can't see how it does. When was the last time "peace talks" amounted to anything in Afghanistan?


India will continue to look out for its own interests in the region- of which it has many, keeping one of Afghanistan's largest trading patners and aid donars out of the process is overtly stupid and delegitimises the entire process.

Bhai afghanistan haath se nikal chuka hai tumhara nepal ke jaise...

 

[Jacob Martin]

Yar..itna west culture is impress ho toh... mandatory hi ker do.. grils with bikini hi bahar nikal sakti hai ya nude bhi chalega toh west se 5-6 saal kya 50 years aage ho jaoge..


Bhai afghanistan haath se nikal chuka hai tumhara nepal ke jaise...

Haah West se toh hum impressed hain hi. Chal tu hi bataa de kyun naa hon? Tere desh mein badi Khushhaali hai is waqt? West mein hai.

You would like to think so about Afghanistan. But then wishful thinking has always been the Pakistani national identity.

 

[Arsalan mehmud]

Haah West se toh hum impressed hain hi. Chal tu hi bataa de kyun naa hon? Tere desh mein badi Khushhaali hai is waqt? West mein hai.

You would like to think so about Afghanistan. But then wishful thinking has always been the Pakistani national identity.

Don't worry about Pakistan-Afghanistan relation.. They are our brothers..
Mai to bahut khus hun the way CPEC work is going on...