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Indians: inherently unhygienic? Indian writer touches third rail
By Robert MacMillan
NOVEMBER 16, 2012

My Indian friends and I joke around a lot about me as the typical white American guy visiting India. Cows! Con men! Colors! Most people I’ve met in India have restricted their reactions to my westerner-in-the-east experiences to gentle teasing. When I stuck a picture of a man urinating in public on my Facebook page, calling it one more picture of what you see everywhere you go in India, people weren’t as patient. What was I doing? Insulting the nation? Focusing on the ugly because it’s what all the westerners do when they visit India? Why does India provoke such visceral reactions in visitors?

Public urination, public defecation, dirt, garbage, filth, the poor living on the street — talking about these things, even acknowledging that they’re in front of your face, risks making your hosts unhappy, and possibly angry. It’s the third rail of India, and the voltage can be lethal. That’s why I was surprised when B.S. Raghavan decided to touch it with all 10 fingers.

Raghavan’s column in The Hindu Business Line newspaper begins with this headline: Are Indians by nature unhygienic?

Consider these excerpts:

From time to time, in their unguarded moments, highly placed persons in advanced industrial countries have burst out against Indians for being filthy and dirty in their ways of life. A majority of visitors to India from those countries complain of “Delhi belly” within a few hours of arrival, and some fall seriously ill.

There is no point in getting infuriated or defensive about this. The general lack of cleanliness and hygiene hits the eye wherever one goes in India — hotels, hospitals, households, work places, railway trains, airplanes and, yes, temples. Indians think nothing of spitting whenever they like and wherever they choose, and living in surroundings which they themselves make unliveable by their dirty habits. …

Open defecation has become so rooted in India that even when toilet facilities are provided, the spaces round temple complexes, temple tanks, beaches, parks, pavements, and indeed, any open area are covered with faecal matter. …

Even as Indians, we are forced to recoil with horror at the infinite tolerance of fellow Indians to pile-ups of garbage, overflowing sewage, open drains and generally foul-smelling environs.

There’s plenty more that you can read in that story, but I’ll direct you to the article. I’ll also ask you some questions:

  • Some people say you shouldn’t point out these problems, and that every country has problems. Do you agree with this statement? Why?
  • Does anyone disagree with Raghavan’s descriptions of these sights and smells?
  • Is this even a problem? Or should people get used to it?
  • Should visitors, especially ones from countries where people are generally wealthier, say nothing, and pretend that they don’t see unpleasant things?
As for me, I can say this: I got used to it, but I would be lying if I said I didn’t notice it. Indians notice it too. Otherwise, people wouldn’t suggest public shaming campaigns against people urinating in public, they wouldn’t threaten fines for doing it, and they wouldn’t respond with relief to plans to finally make sure that toilets on India’s trains don’t open directly onto the tracks. Of course, these are people in India. It’s a family, taking care of business the family way.

As for me, the message usually seems to be: “If you don’t love it, leave it.” It would be nice if there were some other answer. Acknowledging problems, even ones that are almost impossible to solve, makes them easier to confront.

http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2012...-unhygienic-indian-writer-touches-third-rail/
 
Definition of obsessesed, awaiting your edgy insulting response. ;)
 
Indians: inherently unhygienic? Indian writer touches third rail
By Robert MacMillan
NOVEMBER 16, 2012

My Indian friends and I joke around a lot about me as the typical white American guy visiting India. Cows! Con men! Colors! Most people I’ve met in India have restricted their reactions to my westerner-in-the-east experiences to gentle teasing. When I stuck a picture of a man urinating in public on my Facebook page, calling it one more picture of what you see everywhere you go in India, people weren’t as patient. What was I doing? Insulting the nation? Focusing on the ugly because it’s what all the westerners do when they visit India? Why does India provoke such visceral reactions in visitors?

Public urination, public defecation, dirt, garbage, filth, the poor living on the street — talking about these things, even acknowledging that they’re in front of your face, risks making your hosts unhappy, and possibly angry. It’s the third rail of India, and the voltage can be lethal. That’s why I was surprised when B.S. Raghavan decided to touch it with all 10 fingers.

Raghavan’s column in The Hindu Business Line newspaper begins with this headline: Are Indians by nature unhygienic?

Consider these excerpts:

From time to time, in their unguarded moments, highly placed persons in advanced industrial countries have burst out against Indians for being filthy and dirty in their ways of life. A majority of visitors to India from those countries complain of “Delhi belly” within a few hours of arrival, and some fall seriously ill.

There is no point in getting infuriated or defensive about this. The general lack of cleanliness and hygiene hits the eye wherever one goes in India — hotels, hospitals, households, work places, railway trains, airplanes and, yes, temples. Indians think nothing of spitting whenever they like and wherever they choose, and living in surroundings which they themselves make unliveable by their dirty habits. …

Open defecation has become so rooted in India that even when toilet facilities are provided, the spaces round temple complexes, temple tanks, beaches, parks, pavements, and indeed, any open area are covered with faecal matter. …

Even as Indians, we are forced to recoil with horror at the infinite tolerance of fellow Indians to pile-ups of garbage, overflowing sewage, open drains and generally foul-smelling environs.

There’s plenty more that you can read in that story, but I’ll direct you to the article. I’ll also ask you some questions:

  • Some people say you shouldn’t point out these problems, and that every country has problems. Do you agree with this statement? Why?
  • Does anyone disagree with Raghavan’s descriptions of these sights and smells?
  • Is this even a problem? Or should people get used to it?
  • Should visitors, especially ones from countries where people are generally wealthier, say nothing, and pretend that they don’t see unpleasant things?
As for me, I can say this: I got used to it, but I would be lying if I said I didn’t notice it. Indians notice it too. Otherwise, people wouldn’t suggest public shaming campaigns against people urinating in public, they wouldn’t threaten fines for doing it, and they wouldn’t respond with relief to plans to finally make sure that toilets on India’s trains don’t open directly onto the tracks. Of course, these are people in India. It’s a family, taking care of business the family way.

As for me, the message usually seems to be: “If you don’t love it, leave it.” It would be nice if there were some other answer. Acknowledging problems, even ones that are almost impossible to solve, makes them easier to confront.

http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2012...-unhygienic-indian-writer-touches-third-rail/


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dail...-gone-38-years-without-bathing-190612822.html

 
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A holy ground covered with feces! Note: No toilet paper!
 
^^^ Since you are such noodle head, I will tell you about the picture.

It was a baby saved when got stuck in a drain pipe.

Oh I understand why you didn't know because there is no drain or drain pipes in India. It is all open sewage.
 
Sad but true that Indians do have a problem keeping the country clean. This is one of the biggest consideration I am having in deciding if I should return to India. I am very different from the approach other Indians have. I feel it is a problem more prevalent in north than in South. I found south very much clean when I visited. There is a general tendency among Indians that if the land does not belong to them, it is general public land they do not care about it. I use to visit a point in Lonavala called Lion Point, when I started going it was not known to many and was very clean, soon people started visiting there and the place was dirty. People who came there threw trash on the mountains from the top, soon you can see carry bags and other trash all over. The crowd I am talking about is working class and not poor.

About the going out in open, it is partly attitude and party finance. It was found in some villages that some well to do people who go out in open.

When I Invite people for party here in US, if the crowd is only Indian then I know that these people will leave food all over the place and make it totally mess. They will grab food from the table, eat what they want and then leave it right there. They do the same with water, there is so much mess and wastage after the party. It is not the case with Locals as they will make sure the table is clean.

Fact is Fact...
 
Sad but true that Indians do have a problem keeping the country clean. This is one of the biggest consideration I am having in deciding if I should return to India. I am very different from the approach other Indians have. I feel it is a problem more prevalent in north than in South. I found south very much clean when I visited. There is a general tendency among Indians that if the land does not belong to them, it is general public land they do not care about it. I use to visit a point in Lonavala called Lion Point, when I started going it was not known to many and was very clean, soon people started visiting there and the place was dirty. People who came there threw trash on the mountains from the top, soon you can see carry bags and other trash all over. The crowd I am talking about is working class and not poor.

About the going out in open, it is partly attitude and party finance. It was found in some villages that some well to do people who go out in open.

When I Invite people for party here in US, if the crowd is only Indian then I know that these people will leave food all over the place and make it totally mess. They will grab food from the table, eat what they want and then leave it right there. They do the same with water, there is so much mess and wastage after the party. It is not the case with Locals as they will make sure the table is clean.

Fact is Fact...

You are one honest Indian, I'm afraid the rest are not going to like this post of yours.
 
Says the pedophile welfare queen of america? LOL

Unsubstantiated claims make you look like a slumdog.

Indians are the number one rapists and pedophiles on the planet, easily accounting for 80% of the pedophile population:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...-moving-train-paid-16-cents-article-1.1425936

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ive-raped-repeatedly-police-article-1.1461253

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/four-rapes-in-the-capital-three-involving-little-girls-413644

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...napped-raped-2-men-India-Punjab-Ludhiana.html

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/22/world/asia/india-child-rape/

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/01/world/asia/india-girl-raped/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ospital-as-India-faces-child-rape-crisis.html

http://articles.timesofindia.indiat..._1_panchayat-members-kailash-police-complaint

http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/30/4-year-old-rape-victim-dies-in-india/?_r=0
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...-moving-train-paid-16-cents-article-1.1425936

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ive-raped-repeatedly-police-article-1.1461253

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/four-rapes-in-the-capital-three-involving-little-girls-413644

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...napped-raped-2-men-India-Punjab-Ludhiana.html

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/22/world/asia/india-child-rape/

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/01/world/asia/india-girl-raped/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ospital-as-India-faces-child-rape-crisis.html

http://articles.timesofindia.indiat..._1_panchayat-members-kailash-police-complaint

http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/30/4-year-old-rape-victim-dies-in-india/?_r=0
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...-moving-train-paid-16-cents-article-1.1425936

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ive-raped-repeatedly-police-article-1.1461253

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/four-rapes-in-the-capital-three-involving-little-girls-413644

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...napped-raped-2-men-India-Punjab-Ludhiana.html

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/22/world/asia/india-child-rape/

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/01/world/asia/india-girl-raped/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ospital-as-India-faces-child-rape-crisis.html

http://articles.timesofindia.indiat..._1_panchayat-members-kailash-police-complaint

http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/30/4-year-old-rape-victim-dies-in-india/?_r=0
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...-moving-train-paid-16-cents-article-1.1425936

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ive-raped-repeatedly-police-article-1.1461253

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/four-rapes-in-the-capital-three-involving-little-girls-413644

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...napped-raped-2-men-India-Punjab-Ludhiana.html

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/22/world/asia/india-child-rape/

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/01/world/asia/india-girl-raped/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ospital-as-India-faces-child-rape-crisis.html

http://articles.timesofindia.indiat..._1_panchayat-members-kailash-police-complaint

http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/30/4-year-old-rape-victim-dies-in-india/?_r=0
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...-moving-train-paid-16-cents-article-1.1425936

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ive-raped-repeatedly-police-article-1.1461253

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/four-rapes-in-the-capital-three-involving-little-girls-413644

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...napped-raped-2-men-India-Punjab-Ludhiana.html

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/22/world/asia/india-child-rape/

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/01/world/asia/india-girl-raped/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ospital-as-India-faces-child-rape-crisis.html

http://articles.timesofindia.indiat..._1_panchayat-members-kailash-police-complaint

http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/30/4-year-old-rape-victim-dies-in-india/?_r=0
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...-moving-train-paid-16-cents-article-1.1425936

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ive-raped-repeatedly-police-article-1.1461253

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/four-rapes-in-the-capital-three-involving-little-girls-413644

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...napped-raped-2-men-India-Punjab-Ludhiana.html

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/22/world/asia/india-child-rape/

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/01/world/asia/india-girl-raped/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ospital-as-India-faces-child-rape-crisis.html

http://articles.timesofindia.indiat..._1_panchayat-members-kailash-police-complaint

http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/30/4-year-old-rape-victim-dies-in-india/?_r=0
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...-moving-train-paid-16-cents-article-1.1425936

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ive-raped-repeatedly-police-article-1.1461253

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/four-rapes-in-the-capital-three-involving-little-girls-413644

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...napped-raped-2-men-India-Punjab-Ludhiana.html

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/22/world/asia/india-child-rape/

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/01/world/asia/india-girl-raped/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ospital-as-India-faces-child-rape-crisis.html

http://articles.timesofindia.indiat..._1_panchayat-members-kailash-police-complaint

http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/30/4-year-old-rape-victim-dies-in-india/?_r=0
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...-moving-train-paid-16-cents-article-1.1425936

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ive-raped-repeatedly-police-article-1.1461253

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/four-rapes-in-the-capital-three-involving-little-girls-413644

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...napped-raped-2-men-India-Punjab-Ludhiana.html

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/22/world/asia/india-child-rape/

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/01/world/asia/india-girl-raped/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ospital-as-India-faces-child-rape-crisis.html

http://articles.timesofindia.indiat..._1_panchayat-members-kailash-police-complaint

http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/30/4-year-old-rape-victim-dies-in-india/?_r=0
 
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