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Indian white lies have begun to get exposed

Whatever comes out of the scenario, one thing is for certain that the state or state actors did have a role in the event, it had to be an inside job. The guy lying on his death bed at the mercy of his captors still has the mind to speak in a staged dialect, now that is ironic, more over his handlers must have had a chip installed in his head as they can still influence him to make U turns and change statements at will.



Who could be behind the Mumbai attacks? - Asia, World - The Independent
 
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Mumbai attacks could be guided by Indian handler: Indian minister - People's Daily Online February 05, 2010

The Mumbai attacks staged by 10 Pakistani terrorists in November 2008 could have been guided by an Indian handler, said Indian Home Minister P. Chidambaram Thursday.

Chidambaram told local TV channel NDTV that investigators had known for a long time that there was a handler in the Mumbai attacks who could be an Indian.

But the minister also said he was not 100 percent sure that an Indian national was involved in the attacks.

"When we say he could be an Indian, he could be somebody who acquired Indian characteristics. He could have been infiltrated into India and lived here long enough to acquire an Indian accent, familiarity with Indian Hindi words or he could be somebody who exfiltrated from India to Pakistan and was adopted by the militants there," he said.

India has held Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Toiba group responsible for the Mumbai attacks, in which more than 170 people were killed and over 300 injured.

Pakistan admitted that part of the attacks was plotted on its territory.

Source: Xinhua
 
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Handler’ of Mumbai attacks could be Indian: Chidambaram

NEW DELHI, Feb 4: The gunmen who attacked Mumbai in 2008 may have been guided by an Indian, or a man who had lived in India for some time, Home Minister P. Chidambaram said on Thursday.
In a television interview, Mr Chidambaram said the man, whose true identity was yet to be ascertained, was suspected of acting as a “handler” for the 10 gunmen who killed 166 people in the November 2008 assault on India’s financial capital.

“When we say he could be an Indian, he could be somebody who acquired Indian characteristics. He could have been infiltrated into India and lived here long enough to acquire an Indian accent, and familiarity with Indian Hindi words,” the minister said.

India has always maintained that all the gunmen and those who masterminded the attack were Pakistani, and abetted by “official agencies” in Pakistan.

But Mr Chidambaram said investigators had known for time that there was a “handler” who could be an Indian.

“We know him by Abu Jindal... but that is not his real name,” he said. “We cannot put a finger on who he is, unless we get a voice sample. And they (Pakistan) won’t give us a voice sample,” he added.

Mr Chidambaram will become the highest level Indian official to visit Pakistan since the attacks when he attends a regional meeting of South Asian interior ministers in Rawalpindi.—AFP
 
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its so amazing that kasab is appearantly speaking hindi with an indian local dialect, but still india want s the world to believe that kasab is pakistani he doesnt even look like a pakistani, such a joke really, at least americans played better to convince the world that 9/11 was from oustide but this indian kasab drama(i think indian named kasab just to rise curiosity) is total BS.
 
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its so amazing that kasab is appearantly speaking hindi with an indian local dialect, but still india want s the world to believe that kasab is pakistani he doesnt even look like a pakistani, such a joke really, at least americans played better to convince the world that 9/11 was from oustide but this indian kasab drama(i think indian named kasab just to rise curiosity) is total BS.

Pakistan Government itself accepted Kasab as a Pakistani national.

Besides I myself speak fluent Farsi (Persian) and if I practice for a month I can speak that in local Iranian ascent so what is the point here.

GB
 
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Indian Hindu political leaders have a track record of going to any extent to get their needs met. They have always been submissive to the powerful and pitiless against the weak. During 1000 years rule of India by the Muslims, the Hindus served the Muslim masters most submissively despite their intense hatred for the Muslims. No sooner the British took over; the Hindus became their most obedient servants and joined hands with the new masters to persecute the Muslims. At the time of partition of India in 1947, Indian Congress leaders including Nehru got around Mountbatten and Lord Cyril Radcliff to snatch the whole cake and give only crumbs to Quaid-e-Azam led Muslim League that had demanded independent Pakistan. Having gobbled the cake they now want to eat the crumbs also.

The first four letters are "Indian Hindu political leaders.....". It sets the tone agenda of the article. Once an idiot, always an idiot.
Practically APJ Abdul Kalam being a muslim, it is true that many muslims are still ruling over us. But author can never understand this.

Indian leaders religiously follow the guidelines given by their guru Chankya how to go about spreading doubts, suspicions and misgivings among target audiences. Going by Chankyan teachings, Indian leaders and psychological operators disregard morals and scruples, utter falsehood unhesitatingly and convert truth into half truths to achieve ulterior motives. They are adept in art of deceit, drama and propaganda warfare. They turn reality into fiction and indulge in all sorts of underhand tactics to create bad blood between friendly neighbors, communities and sects. They bend over backwards to win over a particular country which is powerful and can serve their interests.

All I can say Chanakya was a great man. People do not know anything about his work, are commenting on him. He wrote a great deed on political science, diplomacy, war strategy and economics. he almost touched every part of administration.
And I won't go who bent backwards but certainly India is not one of them. History is itself an evidence.

Apart from subversive acts to create cleavages within various communities in Pakistan, Indian propaganda machinery has been consistently painting Pakistan in black by accusing it of all acts of terror in India. These included terrorist attack on Indian Parliament on 13 December 2001, Mumbai train blast on 11 July 2006, Malegaon blasts on 8 September 2006, Samjhota Express Train blasts on 19 February 2007, Hyderabad Mecca Masjid blast on 18 May 2007, Ajmer Sharif Dargah blast on 11 October 2007, serial blasts in Utter Pradesh courts on 23 November 2007, Jaipur blasts on 13 May 2008, Ahmedabad blast on 26 July 2008, Malegaon blasts on 8 September 2008, Delhi blasts on 13 September 2008 and Mumbai carnage on 26 November 2009. Even some of the plane hijackings in 1999 were lumped on Pakistan including the one to Kandahar. Majority of victims of all those acts of terror were Indian Muslims. In case of Samjhota Express, most victims were Pakistanis returning to Lahore. Suicide attack on Indian Embassy in Kabul in July 2008 was also put on the doorstep of Pakistan. India uses Vishwa Hindu Parishad, Shiv Sena and right wing Hindu political organizations to whip up frenzy against Pakistan. Recently, India has added a new weapon in its arsenal in the form of water terrorism and as an instrument of war.

Common yar. Many of these incidents has been investigated and we all know the truth.
It is worthless to discuss Samjhota attacks as it has been done countless times. Seems author is still stuck on 2008 december.
India using VHP, SS, Hindu organizations!! How?? No nation has ever accused these for any attacks.
Water terrorism....go complain international court. Oops last time it was tried and the case was thrown into trash.

Indian lies began to unveil when Mahrashtra anti-terror squad Chief Hemant Karkare bumped across hard evidence of involvement of Hindu terrorist groups linked with certain Indian army officers. The accused Lt Col Purohit and other co-accused had confessed their crimes and trial was in advanced stage. Karkare’s investigations revealed that most acts of terror in which Pakistan was accused were executed by this gang. He also learnt from confessional statement of Purohit that number of colonels and majors of Indian army like Col Raikar, Col Hasmukh Patel and Col Bapaditya Dhar were part of Malegaon and Samjhota Express terrorism and that there was an established nexus between RAW-Army-Hindu terrorists.

These persons are put into jail by same Hindus.
If RAW is killing everyone including Hindus/Indians....I wonder for whom they are working. :what:

A retired Indian defence artillery officer Col Chitali who lives close to Purohit house in Pune, runs Maharashtra Military Foundation. After Mumbai incident he proudly stated that he has 1000 boys serving in three services and that each one has been brainwashed and motivated by him to perform any task assigned. Purohit had also remained his trainee. Recent terrorist attack in Pune on 13 February has a definite connection with Chitali. Retired Lt Gen Hoon (a contemporary of Qari Hussain) had openly declared that he runs a Hindu suicide bombers centre. Successive Indian governments have known about the evil linkage between military-Hindu terrorists-RAW, but turned a blind eye to it considering it to be in national interest.

No proof. Just propoganda. Atleast we should have waited for investigation to be finished.

The revelation involving BJP, RAW, Shiv Sena and serving and retired senior army officers was so damning that RAW had to hurriedly plan a drama in Mumbai to kill several birds with one stone. Karkare received life threats as disclosed by his wife. Trained terrorists of Atma Ghatak Phatak (AGP) were picked up for the gory job to eliminate him in a way that the blame could be put on Pakistan and ISI. Karkare and his assistant were assassinated in Mumbai on 26 November and blame pasted on Pakistani national Ajmal Kasab. But India fell into the hole it dug for Pakistan. Inefficiency of Indian police, army, navy, coast guard and intelligence agencies came under intense Indian public censure. Finding itself cornered the Indian government had to play up Pakistan bashing card and has shamefacedly continued to blame Pakistan and has spurned repeated Pakistani offers to resume dialogue which India suspended in a huff. Had India been serious in finding the real culprits it would have jumped to the Pakistani offer of joint investigations?

So finally RAW was responsible for Mumbai "drama"....bravo!!
And yes every Indian seem to agree there was lacking on part of security agencies. Indian govt has given great stress on this and now things are going into right direction.

The lone witness Kasab on whom the whole evidence had been built has started to talk. He disclosed before the session court in Mumbai that he had been arrested by Indian police much before 26 November and that he was taken to the site on that fateful day, shot and injured and later tortured to give statement as per their dictates. He also disclosed that Indian nationals had attacked Oberoi Hotel. Sensing their rigid stance cracking up, Indian Home Minister grudgingly admitted that some Indian handlers might have been involved in guiding the ten terrorists.

Well.....hundreds of people are eye witness to him. This can only be possible only if entire Hindu state become a part of this conspiracy.

On 23 November 2009, Indian leading newspapers disclosed that Liberham Commission has finally come out with its finding and has held top guns of BJP like Atal Bihari Vajpayee, Advani, Manohar Joshi and others responsible for demolishing Babri mosque in Ayodhia on 6 December 1992 and killing thousands of Muslims. No action has been taken against the killers of Muslims. Likewise, murderers and rapists involved in carnage of Muslims in Gujarat have not been touched.

Did you care to read the report. BTW, what lies India was hiding in this case. Poor RAW, they can not hide one report even. :argh:

While Indian leaders blame Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Muhammad for perpetrating acts of terror in India, they ignore hundreds of Hindu terrorist outfits and dozens of insurgencies within India. Baal Thakeray head of Shiv Sena is renowned for fanning hatred against Muslims and for indulging in subversive activities. He has urged Hindus to prepare suicide bombers to challenge Islamic extremism. Sangh Parivar patronised by BJP, Avidhar and serving and retired Indian army officers are involved in almost all terror acts in India including demolition of Babri mosque in 1992, Samjhota Express bombing and bomb attacks in Muslim heavy Malegaon in which Pakistan was blamed. Sangh Parivar runs training centres in Gujarat and Maharashtra in full knowledge of all concerned.

Read Indian media more often. There are almost daily news about these insurgencies. But I do not expect other to have any knowledge about it.
RSS is having terror centers. Where? Even hardliner critics do not say this.

All extremist Hindu outfits hate Pakistan and Indian Muslims as well as other religious minorities residing in India and vie for Hindutwa. Hindu extremists consider Indian Muslims biggest threat to Indian existence and advocate that they should either convert to Hinduism or else they should be exiled or eliminated. This was the pattern adopted by the Spanish Christians against the Muslims when they conquered Spain in 1492. Hindu extremists have penetrated Indian armed forces particularly Army in a big way. Elections in India are manipulated by Hindu extremists using high handed tactics and all Indian governments remain at their mercy. If there is any nuclear country where nuclear weapons are in danger of falling into the hands of terrorists it is none other than India.

First of all....author should come out of illusion that he is a spokeperson of Indian muslims. They have their own political representatives to do the job.
So article suggest that Hindu has penetrated Indian army, army of a nation which is Hindu in nature. And Hindu India and Hindu political bosses (as exposed above) are at their mercy... :rofl::rofl:

Having failed to coerce Pakistan and to make it accept its childish demands of dismantling India specific terrorist networks in Pakistan and to punish culprits named by India allegedly involved in Mumbai attacks, it has now reluctantly agreed to resume talks from 25 February onwards. India has not shown any large heartedness or has succumbed to US pressure but has softened its mulish stance after realising that it has gained nothing and has lost a lot. For the consumption of home audience, Indian leaders continue to insist that terrorism would be the chief focus of talks. Pakistan has for a change taken a firm stand that Kashmir and water would take precedence over all other issues. As far as terrorism is concerned, India, Israel and USA are the biggest terrorist states and all others are victims of their terrorism. I am giving it in writing that nothing would come out of talks since India is only interested in gaining time through never ending monkey tricks and conceding nothing.

Failed to coerce Pakistan. When did India try for this??
Childish demand for dismantling India-specific terror camps. And finally the famous USA-India-Israel axis of evil.
Everyone is this world is some RAW-CIA-SVR-Mossad-NASA-MI5-MI6-X-Y+-.... agent. :woot:

The writer is a retired Brig and a defence analyst.

Author should come out of myth that he is any sort of analyst. I consider PA as respectable force so won't say much. But this officer is certainly a blot on PA just as Purohit was on IA.
 
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Whatever comes out of the scenario, one thing is for certain that the state or state actors did have a role in the event, it had to be an inside job. The guy lying on his death bed at the mercy of his captors still has the mind to speak in a staged dialect, now that is ironic, more over his handlers must have had a chip installed in his head as they can still influence him to make U turns and change statements at will.



Who could be behind the Mumbai attacks? - Asia, World - The Independent

WJ....In your above statement, which "state or state actors" are u referring to? Indian or Pakistani?

Please clarify
 
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here we go again.. doubts on Mumbai attacks !
excellent rebuttal ek_indian - this article gives no facts and the Pak posters accept it as gospel truth.

Well if there are so many doubts - how come the UN has blamed LeT, Us has blamed LeT and the Pak govt. itself has admitted it was LeT. Are all countries in the UN, US (who has several agents in India and Pak and who had nationals killed in the attacks) and even Pak blind and dumb ?
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Ajmal Kasab is photographed along with his accomplice in at least one photograph. I'll dig that out for your benefit. I'm sure you can find it if you actually look for it ;). Btw it was due to the brave efforts of a photojournalist at CST that we got the images of Kasab going about his business.. Unfortunately there were no photojournalists at Nariman house, Taj, Oberoi or at Leopold. But we have lots of CCTV footage.. intercepted conversation. Admit the truth Windjammer!
Sometimes Pak posters should stop listening and perpetuating conspiracy theory and admit that their nationals were at fault.
 
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@Jana - no one doubts that there were local people who helped in guiding the attackers. In fact if you notice there are two Indians being tried along with Kasab for these attacks.
If you accept that the Indians are trying their own people and these people are guilty why can't you accept that Kasab is guilty and is a Pakistani ? I mean if the Indian govt. lies all the time maybe the Indian nationals are not Indian nationals after all! Maybe The Indian govt. wants to defame the Indian Muslim community by trying muslims for these attacks. You can't pick and choose what you believe.
The entire conspiracy for the attacks was hatched in Pakistan. The handlers were sitting in Pakistan. The attackers were Pakistani. LeT has a known aim of destroying India. They are linked with Al Qaeda and hate Israel and US. Hence the attacks on Nariman House and foreign nationals. They have the capability and motive for these attacks.
 
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Pakistan Government itself accepted Kasab as a Pakistani national.

Besides I myself speak fluent Farsi (Persian) and if I practice for a month I can speak that in local Iranian ascent so what is the point here.

GB

Thanks to Pakistani government for accepting itself that kasabi was pakistani chura not the indian one. happy?

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People are missing the point here.....

We dont care about Kasab......Kasab is just the pawn....he is nothing more than a symbol of the tragedy that befell us on 26/11.....along with an insight into how this operation was planned and executed

What we care about is uprooting the network and men that planned and commanded this operation....the Hafeez Saeeds and the Indian rats that helped him.....
Kasabs identity is irrelevant.....

Remember, you win wars by killing Generals NOT soldiers.....and we need the heads of those terrorist leaders of LET, IM etc......
 
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@Jana - no one doubts that there were local people who helped in guiding the attackers. In fact if you notice there are two Indians being tried along with Kasab for these attacks.
If you accept that the Indians are trying their own people and these people are guilty why can't you accept that Kasab is guilty and is a Pakistani ? I mean if the Indian govt. lies all the time maybe the Indian nationals are not Indian nationals after all! Maybe The Indian govt. wants to defame the Indian Muslim community by trying muslims for these attacks. You can't pick and choose what you believe.
The entire conspiracy for the attacks was hatched in Pakistan. The handlers were sitting in Pakistan. The attackers were Pakistani. LeT has a known aim of destroying India. They are linked with Al Qaeda and hate Israel and US. Hence the attacks on Nariman House and foreign nationals. They have the capability and motive for these attacks.

If you had followed the proceedings it was Pakistani media who had traced Kasab, It was Pakistani agencies who have porbed the matter througly and found US, western countries also involved in transfering the money to the attackers besides many things,

So there is no question of accusing us of not accepting kasab.

Up till Now Indians are banging their heads in the dark.

Even the Headly's connection was revealed by non-Indians.

I would still look forward when will India get access to Headly :)
 
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hmm... Jana - the Pak media and investigators found out things only after leads given to them by Indians and the FBI. It was a joint effort!
 
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