Indian version of the 1962 Sino-India war

[chhota bheem]

^^^
^^^^^
It could well be true the Indian decent are sub-human. Who am I to argue?

You guys are in the sub-continent. Sub and sub.

Now behave like a human

 

[Wholegrain]

Both acceded to India. What about Tibet, it was annexed in 1950 by PLA?

The Khamba Tibetans supported China.

Pandatsang Rapga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tibet Improvement Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Dalai Lama tried taking over Qinghai, but he was beaten back by the Hui and Salar Muslims, and the Qinghai Tibetans.

Sino-Tibetan War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Panchen Lama was pro China.

Thubten Choekyi Nyima, 9th Panchen Lama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Choekyi Gyaltsen, 10th Panchen Lama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tibet was not annexed, because every other country on earth recognized it as part of China when it claimed to be independent from 1912-1949. Even the British recognized Tibet as under the Republic of China's suzerainty at the 1914 Simla Accords. No country recognized them or kept an embassy in Lhasa.

 

[armchairPrivate]

^^^
^^^^^

Hey I didn't bring up the sub-human part, it was your countryman.

I only agreed with him.

 

[INDIC]

The Khamba Tibetans supported China.

Pandatsang Rapga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tibet Improvement Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Dalai Lama tried taking over Qinghai, but he was beaten back by the Hui and Salar Muslims, and the Qinghai Tibetans.

Sino-Tibetan War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Panchen Lama was pro China.

Thubten Choekyi Nyima, 9th Panchen Lama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Choekyi Gyaltsen, 10th Panchen Lama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tibet was not annexed, because every other country on earth recognized it as part of China when it claimed to be independent from 1912-1949. Even the British recognized Tibet as under the Republic of China's suzerainty at the 1914 Simla Accords. No country recognized them or kept an embassy in Lhasa.

China first tried for negotations with Lhasa, when it failed they conquered Tibet.

 

[Fattyacids]

Both acceded to India. What about Tibet, it was annexed in 1950 by PLA?

India troops were at Kashmir before the letter was delivered to Delhi.

Tibet belongs to Qing dynasty of China. When the last emperor abdicated the throne, all Qing territory comes under new Republic of China. There can be no dispute about it, it is legally binding. All countries recognized Tibet as part of China.

 

[Enemy]

who can provide the complete English subtitles of this video?

Why? The video voice-over is in English, isn't it?

Main likhkke du toh chalega? I mean, will it be OK if I write?

 

[phylumchordata]

What about Kashmir and sikkim?

the ruler of Kashmir decided to be part of India and same goes with Sikkim. Not a single soldier was sent.

 

[INDIC]

India troops were at Kashmir before the letter was delivered to Delhi.

Tibet belongs to Qing dynasty of China. When the last emperor abdicated the throne, all Qing territory comes under new Republic of China. There can be no dispute about it, it is legally binding. All countries recognized Tibet as part of China.

That's all conspiracy theories. It was claimed by Stanley Wolport, he also wrote things about Jinnah which got his book banned in Pakistan. Neither the former King of Kashmir or his son favoured such conspiracy theories.

Tibet was an self governing region of Qing Empire and remained independent from 1912-1950.

 

[Fattyacids]

That's all conspiracy theories. It was claimed by Stanley Wolport, he also wrote things about Jinnah which got his book banned in Pakistan. Neither the former King of Kashmir or his son favoured such conspiracy theories.

Tibet was an self governing region of Qing Empire and remained independent from 1912-1950.

But it was well documented in most history books.

Tibet declared independent when Qing abdicated, but legally Republic of China has a claim on Tibet. But civil war broke out, followed by WW2, then civil war again until 1949. Hence, 1950.

 

[Enemy]

Tibet was under direct Chinese rule. It was the British invasion of it in 1903 which changed the status.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/chines...ese-chinese-symbols-say-important-thread.html

Soldiers also found time to pose for photographs on their way into Tibet, (from India) including this serviceman standing under a structure marked with Chinese symbols

 

[Wholegrain]

the ruler of Kashmir decided to be part of India and same goes with Sikkim. Not a single soldier was sent.

25 years after SIKKIM- Nepali Times

25 years after SIKKIM

Next month, it will be 25 years since the Indian annexation of Sikkim. Sudheer Sharma looks back at how a Himalayan kingdom lost its sovereignty.

FROM ISSUE #35 (23 MARCH 2001 - 29 MARCH 2001) | TABLE OF CONTENTS
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King Palden Thondup Namgyal, the Chogyal of Sikkim was in his palace on the morning of 6 April, 1975 when the roar of army trucks climbing the steep streets of Gangtok brought him running to the window. There were Indian soldiers everywhere, they had surrounded the palace, and short rapid bursts of machine gun fire could be heard. Basanta Kumar Chhetri, a 19-year-old guard at the palace's main gate, was struck by a bullet and killed-the first casualty of the takeover. The 5,000-strong Indian force didn't take more than 30 minutes to subdue the palace guards who numbered only 243. By 12.45 it was all over, Sikkim ceased to exist as an independent kingdom.

Captured palace guards, hands raised high were packed into trucks and taken away, singing: "Dela sil, li gi, gang changka chibso" (may my country keep blooming like a flower). But by the, the Indian tri-colour had replaced the Sikkimese flag at the palace where the 12th king of the Namgyal dynasty was held prisoner. "The Chogyal was a great believer in India. He had huge respect for Mahatma Gnadhi and Jawaharlal Nehru. Not in his wildest dreams did he think India would ever swallow up his kingdom," recalls Captain Sonam Yongda, the Chogyal's aide-de-camp. Nehru himself had told journalist Kuldip Nayar in 1960: "Taking a small country like Sikkim by force would be like shooting a fly with a rifle." Ironically it was Nehru's daughter Indira Gandhi who cited "national interest" to make Sikkim the 22nd state in the Indian union.

In the years leading up to the 1975 annexation, there was enough evidence that all was not well in relations between New Delhi and Gangtok. The seeds were sown as far back as 1947 after India gained independence, when the Sikkim State Congress started an anti-monarchist movement to introduce democracy, end feudalism and merge with India. "We went to Delhi to talk to Nehru about these demands," recalls CD Rai, a rebel leader. "He told us, we'll help you with democracy and getting rid of feudalism, but don't talk about merger now." Relenting to pressure from pro-democracy supporters, the 11th Chogyal was forced to include Rai in a five-member council of ministers, to sign a one-sided treaty with India which would effectively turn Sikkim into an Indian "protectorate", and allow the stationing of an Indian "political officer" in Gangtok.

As a leader of international stature with an anti-imperialist role on the world stage, Nehru did not want to be seen to be bullying small neighbours in his own backyard. But by 1964 Nehru had died and so had the 11th Chogyal, Sir Tashi Namgyal. There was a new breed of young and impatient political people emerging in Sikkim and things were in ferment. The plot thickened when Kaji Lendup Dorji (also known as LD Kaji) of the Sikkim National Congress, who had an ancestral feud with the Chogyal's family, entered the fray. By 1973, New Delhi was openly supporting the Kaji's Sikkim National Congress. Pushed into a corner, the new Chogyal signed a tripatrite agreement with political parties and India under which there was further erosion of his powers. LD Kaji's Sikkim National Congress won an overwhelming majority in the 1974 elections, and within a year the cabinet passed a bill asking for the Chogyal's removal. The house sought a referendum, during which the decision was endorsed. "That was a charade," says KC Pradhan, who was then minister of agriculture. "The voting was directed by the
Indian military."

India's "Chief Executive" in Gangtok wrote: "Sikkim's merger was necessary for Indian national interest. And we worked to that end. Maybe if the Chogyal had been smarter, and played his cards better, it wouldn't have turned out the way it did."

It is also said that the real battle was not between the Chogyal and Kaji Lendup Dorji, but between their wives. On one side was Queen Hope Cook, the American wife of the Chogyal and on the other was the Belgian wife of the Kaji, Elisa-Maria Standford. "This was a proxy war between the American and the Belgian," says former chief minister, BB Gurung. But there was a third woman involved: Indira Gandhi in New Delhi.

Chogyal Palden met the 24-year-old New Yorker, Hope Cook, in Darjeeling in 1963 and married her. For Cook, this was a dream come true: to become the queen of an independent kingdom in Shangrila. She started taking the message of Sikkimese independence to the youth, and the allegations started flying thick and fast that she was a CIA agent. These were the coldest years of the Cold War, and there was a tendency in India to see a "foreign hand" behind everything so it was not unusual for the American queen to be labelled a CIA agent. However, as Hope Cook's relations with Delhi deteriorated, so did her marriage with the Chogyal. In 1973, she took her two children and went back to New York. She hasn't returned to Sikkim since.

Then there was Elisa-Maria, daughter of a Belgian father and German mother who left her Scottish husband in Burma and married LD Kaji in Delhi in 1957. The two couldn't have been more different. Elisa-Maria wanted to be Sikkim's First Lady, but Hope Cook stood in the way. "She didn't just want to be the wife of an Indian chief minister, she wanted to be the wife of the prime minister of an independent Sikkim." With that kind of an ambition, it was not surprising that with annexation, neither Hope Cook nor Elisa-Maria got what they wanted.

Meanwhile in New Delhi, Indira Gandhi was going from strength to strength, and India was flexing its muscles. The 1971 Bangladesh war and the atomic test in 1974 gave Delhi the confidence to take care of Sikkim once and for all. Indira Gandhi was concerned that Sikkim may show independent tendencies and become a UN member like Bhutan did in 1971, and she also didn't take kindly to the three Himalayan kingdoms, Bhutan, Sikkim and Nepal, getting too cosy with each other. The Chogyal attended King Birendra's coronation in Kathmandu in 1975 and hobnobbed with the Pakistanis and the Chinese, and there was a lobby in Delhi that felt Sikkim may get Chinese help to become independent.

In his book on the Indian intelligence agency, Inside RAW, The story of India's secret service, Ashok Raina writes that New Delhi had taken the decision to annex Sikkim in 1971, and that the RAW used the next two years to create the right conditions within Sikkim to make that happen. The key here was to use the predominantly-Hindu Sikkimese of Nepali origin who complained of discrimination from the Buddhist king and elite to rise up. "What we felt then was that the Chogyal was unjust to us," says CD Rai, editor of Gangtok Times and ex-minister. "We thought it may be better to be Indian than to be oppressed by the king."

So, when the Indian troops moved in there was general jubilation on the streets of Gangtok. It was in fact in faraway Kathmandu that there were reverberations. Beijing expressed grave concern. But in the absence of popular protests against the Indian move, there was only muted reaction at the United Nations in New York. It was only later that there were contrary opinions within India-Morarji Desai said in 1978 that the merger was a mistake. Even Sikkimese political leaders who fought for the merger said it was a blunder and worked to roll it back. But by then it was too late.

Today, most Sikkimese know they lost their independence in 1975, and Siliguri-bound passengers in Gangtok still say they are "going to India". The elite have benefited from New Delhi's largesse and aren't complaining. As ex-chief minister BB Gurung says: "We can't turn the clock back now."

Bhutan's Enlightened Experiment - National Geographic Magazine

For all its rugged independence, Bhutan is plagued by a sense of vulnerability that comes from being the last bastion of Himalayan Buddhism. The others have vanished, among them Ladakh (dismantled in 1842 and later absorbed into India), Tibet (invaded by China in 1950), and the neighboring kingdom of Sikkim. In 1975, just three years after Jigme Singye Wangchuck took the throne at age 16, a rising tide of Nepali immigrants voted independent Sikkim out of existence, annexing it to India. Was Bhutan next? Wangchuck moved to defend Bhutan’s prime asset, its Buddhist identity. “Being a small country, we do not have economic power,” he explained to a New York Times reporter in 1991. “We do not have military muscle. We cannot play a dominant international role because of our small size and population, and because we are a landlocked country. The only factor … which can strengthen Bhutan’s sovereignty and our different identity is the unique culture we have.”

A sensible stance, perhaps, but one that set the monarchy on a collision course with the country’s largest ethnic group, the Hindu Nepalis. Unlike the ruling Ngalong, or Drukpa, in the northwest and the Sharchop in the east—both Buddhist descendants of Tibetans who settled the country centuries ago—the bulk of Nepalis arrived in Bhutan’s mosquito-infested lowlands in the late 1800s and early 1900s. Other waves came after 1960, some invited as manual laborers, others crossing the border illegally. The monarchy encouraged assimilation, but the growing Nepali population alarmed the Drukpa elite. After tightening citizenship laws, the king decreed that all Bhutanese must follow the Drukpa code of dress and conduct. Thus began a cycle of protests and arrests that sent tens of thousands of ethnic Nepalis fleeing across the border between 1990 and 1992.

 

[Wholegrain]

Kashmir - population doesn't want to accede to India but ruler does, India says ruler decides and invades. We all know what happened from there.

Hyderabad - ruler wants to accede to Pakistan, India says too bad, people decide and invades.

Manipur - neither Ruler nor people want to accede to India. India says screw this and "pressures" aka forces the Maharaja into signing the accession without consent of the elected assembly. Assam Rifles invade Manipur. Insurgency breaks out and Assam rifles are accused of many human rights abuses including rape but have impunity due to the Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA)

Land and People of Indian States and Union Territories - S. C. Bhatt, Gopal Bhargava - Google Books

Human Rights and Peace: Ideas, Laws, Institutions and Movements - Google Books

Ethnic Groups of South Asia and the Pacific: An Encyclopedia - James B. Minahan - Google Books

Insurgencies in Manipur: politics & ideology - The Hindu

CDPS, Manipur Insurgency

Manipur: Rapes, murders and AFSPA - YouTube

‘We stripped and shouted, ‘Indian Army, rape me!’ It was the right thing to do’ | Revati Laul

Indian Army And The Legacy Of Rape In Manipur By Shivali Tukdeo

Manipur: Security personnel accused of sexual assaults go unpunished

 

[Fattyacids]

the ruler of Kashmir decided to be part of India and same goes with Sikkim. Not a single soldier was sent.

India troops were at Kashmir before the letter was delivered to Delhi. Despicable.

 

[Enemy]

@Wholegrain,

Have you watched the epic Indian film Gangs of Wasseypur?

It is like a modern Mahabharat of India. It is in two parts, if you watch, watch two parts to get the message out of the story-line.

Gangs of Wasseypur

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-AkWDkXcMY

Sardar Khan lived his whole life just for a revenge which was then, after Sardar's murder, inherited by his son Faizal Khan. Faizal did take his revenge but only to be murdered by his own step brother Hazarat Ali, which Faizal never expected in his wildest dreams.

Expect the unexpected.

 

[INDIC]

@Wholegrain, things you wrote is crap. Indian troops were invited in Kashmir after Pakistani attack on 22nd October 1947. Military action was only taken in Hyderabad, Hyderabad didn't have border with Pakistan or sea. Do you even have idea about Manipur.