Indian submarine, cargo ship collide off Pakistan

[BATMAN]

Indian submarine, cargo ship collide off Pakistan
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

NEW DELHI: An Indian naval submarine on a routine mission collided with a cargo ship in the Arabian Sea off Pakistan, officials said on Thursday, adding that there were no reports of casualties.

The 2,500-tonne INS Sindhughosh, with a crew of 53, sustained only “superficial damage” to its conning tower, Indian Navy spokesman Nirad Sinha said.

However, according to naval officials who asked not to be named, the vessel was seriously damaged. The navy declined to comment on the extent of damage to the Cayman-registered merchant vessel or reveal its current whereabouts.

“The ship MV Leeds Castle was in restricted waters and in that area the depth is not much and hence the mishap,” the spokesman said.The submarine has been towed to a naval dockyard at the western Indian city of Mumbai.
The naval officials said the submarine was submerged and had its radars off and periscope down when it slammed into the ship off India’s Diu island, 400 nautical miles from Mumbai.

Diu lies 70 nautical miles from Pakistani waters.
The collision came just after naval intelligence received alerts of possible strikes against its warships off Pakistan, naval sources said. afp

I did not understood, what exactly OFF meant, here. Was this colision in Pakistan waters or not?

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Cut and paste from Dawn newspaper---what is happening here---


Indian submarine, cargo ship collide off Pakistan NEW DELHI, Jan 10 (AFP) - An Indian naval submarine on a routine mission collided with a cargo ship in the Arabian Sea off Pakistan, officials said Thursday, adding that there were no reports of casualties. The 2,500-ton INS Sindhughosh, with a crew of 53, sustained only “superficial damage” to its conning tower, Indian navy spokesman Nirad Sinha said. However, according to naval officials who asked not to be named, the vessel was seriously damaged.The navy declined to comment on the extent of damage to the merchant vessel or reveal its current whereabouts. The submarine has been towed to a naval dockyard at Mumbai. It was submerged and had its radars off and periscope down when it slammed into the ship off India's Diu island, 70 nautical miles from Pakistani waters. Last year, a 450-ton Indian navy patrol ship sank off India's Goa state after ramming a merchant carrier, prompting a massive mission to rescue 73 crew members from the Arabian Sea.(Posted @ 19:22 PST)

 

[KENT]

So many errors in this article, let me highlight some of them

Hi,

Cut and paste from Dawn newspaper---what is happening here---


Indian submarine, cargo ship collide off Pakistan NEW DELHI, Jan 10 (AFP) –
An Indian naval submarine on a routine mission collided with a cargo ship in the Arabian Sea off Pakistan,

Indian Submarine was involved in fleet war game exercise, not on a routine mission as well as Submarine was prowling in the north of Mumbai

officials said Thursday, adding that there were no reports of casualties. The 2,500-ton INS Sindhughosh, with a crew of 53, sustained only “superficial damage” to its conning tower, Indian navy spokesman Nirad Sinha said. However, according to naval officials who asked not to be named, the vessel was seriously damaged.The navy declined to comment on the extent of damage to the merchant vessel or reveal its current whereabouts. The submarine has been towed to a naval dockyard at Mumbai.

The submarine was apparently traveling at perisope depth when it rammed into merchant vessel, the damaged was limited to submarine’s fin, then only submarine managed to get back to Mumbai without any assistance and hence damaged wasn’t as serious as highlighted above.

It was submerged and had its radars off and periscope down when it slammed into the ship off India's Diu island, 70 nautical miles from Pakistani waters.

How does submarine was traveling at 70 nautical miles from Pakistani waters? As according to military convention submarine doesn’t publicize its route so its safety and secrecy are its own business.

 

[ejaz007]

The sea borders extend to 12 nautical miles however Exclusive Economic Zone of every country is recognized to 200 nautical mile distance. So technically speaking the Indian Sub was in Pakistani waters.

 

[mujahideen]

The sea borders extend to 12 nautical miles however Exclusive Economic Zone of every country is recognized to 200 nautical mile distance. So technically speaking the Indian Sub was in Pakistani waters.

Does this mean we could of had fired on them?

 

[MastanKhan]

Kent,

Once the accident happened, the location became public information---then by using the point of impact and the pakistani boundary, the distance became known. Simple as that. We are not very sharp today---are we.

When subs travel at periscope depth, the periscope and other sensor are used quite extensively---that is a very dangerous time for a sub---it is a time for high activity on the part of the crew---as there are moving vessels above and I what I am going to tell you now---99 % of people on this board don't know is there are other hazards right beneath the surface of the ocean that the subs fear the most---so consider this a priveledged information---and they are---

containers that have fallen off the ships and are partially submerged---huge wooden logs---which have broken off from the ships cargo---are soggy and heavy---they can't sink down to the floor---floating right beneath the surface---they are the deadliest of the inert torpedoes that lay waiting for the subs going by at periscope depth.

So, by now you have learnt that going at periscope depth is a very difficult time for a sub. If I can give any other info let me know.

Other than that---I just pasted a copy of the news---I didnot manufacture it---.

 

[ejaz007]

Indian submarine, cargo ship collide off Pakistan
NEW DELHI: An Indian naval submarine on a routine mission collided with a cargo ship in the Arabian Sea off Pakistan, officials said on Thursday, adding that there were no reports of casualties.

The 2,500-tonne INS Sindhughosh, with a crew of 53, sustained only “superficial damage” to its conning tower, Indian Navy spokesman Nirad Sinha said.

However, according to naval officials who asked not to be named, the vessel was seriously damaged. The navy declined to comment on the extent of damage to the Cayman-registered merchant vessel or reveal its current whereabouts.

“The ship MV Leeds Castle was in restricted waters and in that area the depth is not much and hence the mishap,” the spokesman said.The submarine has been towed to a naval dockyard at the western Indian city of Mumbai.

The naval officials said the submarine was submerged and had its radars off and periscope down when it slammed into the ship off India’s Diu island, 400 nautical miles from Mumbai.

Diu lies 70 nautical miles from Pakistani waters.

The collision came just after naval intelligence received alerts of possible strikes against its warships off Pakistan, naval sources said. afp

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

This is what daily times reported. Any way what was an Indian submarine doing 70 nm from Pakistan's shore. Remember Pakistan's Exclusive Economic Zone runs upto 200 NM. This means it was in Pakistani waters.

 

[ejaz007]

Why doesn't Indian Navy request Pakistan Navy to train its personnel. Atleast they should learn to steer submarine at proper periscope level without hitting ships.

 

[KENT]

The sea borders extend to 12 nautical miles however Exclusive Economic Zone of every country is recognized to 200 nautical mile distance. So technically speaking the Indian Sub was in Pakistani waters.

So does this mean that all the vessel comprises of Civilian and Armed one that are prowling in northen part of ocean adjoing Mumbai should considered as within Pakistani waters

First of all, You are not speaking technically, it is your assumption. According to some of high profile IN sources, the Submarine was prowling in northen ocean part of Mumbai, which means well within Indian Waters and in addition to according to above article, it was routine mission but in a reality it was involved in fleet war game. So if I believe your words, this means that Indian submarine was simulteously must be maintaining close watch on PN vessel alongwith wargaming.

 

[KENT]

Kent,

Once the accident happened, the location became public information---then by using the point of impact and the pakistani boundary, the distance became known. Simple as that. We are not very sharp today---are we.

Pls be descriptive how does point of impact translates in itself having an assocation with Pakistani Boundary? According to some creadible Indian sources incident took place off the coast of Saurashtra 140 nautical kms north west of the Mumbai coast and south of Diu on Monday afternoon.

If we are not that sharp, they How does you manage to conclude, oh I mean copy-past the distance and association of accident with Pakistani waters?

When subs travel at periscope depth, the periscope and other sensor are used quite extensively---that is a very dangerous time for a sub---it is a time for high activity on the part of the crew---as there are moving vessels above and I what I am going to tell you now---99 % of people on this board don't know is there are other hazards right beneath the surface of the ocean that the subs fear the most---so consider this a priveledged information---and they are---

containers that have fallen off the ships and are partially submerged---huge wooden logs---which have broken off from the ships cargo---are soggy and heavy---they can't sink down to the floor---floating right beneath the surface---they are the deadliest of the inert torpedoes that lay waiting for the subs going by at periscope depth.

So, by now you have learnt that going at periscope depth is a very difficult time for a sub. If I can give any other info let me know.

Other than that---I just pasted a copy of the news---I didnot manufacture it---.

Man this are general information in connection with submarine accident, but How do you manage to associate above scenario with IN submarine, so far there is no confirmation that wheather submarine systems like sonars and all other host of sensors were working or not. At the time of the collision, the submarine was plying in shallow waters of the Arabian sea at periscope depth when the large merchant ship grazed over it damaging the submerged vessel's aerial radar and fin

 

[KENT]

This is what daily times reported. Any way what was an Indian submarine doing 70 nm from Pakistan's shore. Remember Pakistan's Exclusive Economic Zone runs upto 200 NM. This means it was in Pakistani waters.

Take a look at this before claiming accident took place in Pakistani Waters

The incident took place
India's Maritime claims:
contiguous zone: 24 nm
continental shelf: 200 nm or to the edge of the continental margin
exclusive economic zone: 200 nm
territorial sea: 12 nm

Even India possess exclusive economic zone of 200nm, so according to your line of thought all the Pakistan vessel prowling in Arabian ocean should be well within the Indian Line.

 

[KENT]

Why doesn't Indian Navy request Pakistan Navy to train its personnel. Atleast they should learn to steer submarine at proper periscope level without hitting ships.

offcourse! why not? atleast PN personnel would teach IN some of Innovative way of inflicting the fatal accident like the one of PNS Ghazi which get blown itself, as crew of PNS Ghazi were not taught how to laid the Mines.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Why doesn't Indian Navy request Pakistan Navy to train its personnel. Atleast they should learn to steer submarine at proper periscope level without hitting ships.

That would be the day!

How many do you have?

You have to have them to understand their use and problems!

Let us do some serious discussions instead of playing the goat (English phrase!)

 

[fatman17]

That would be the day!

How many do you have?

You have to have them to understand their use and problems!

Let us do some serious discussions instead of playing the goat (English phrase!)

now now salim! relax bro! the best thing is to ignore such remarks. i do. it works.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

now now salim! relax bro! the best thing is to ignore such remarks. i do. it works.

Fatman,

Don't worry.

I am well aware that the Pakistani armed forces are no push overs.

It is these ill informed and imagine patriotism comments that require to be snuffed in the bud, be it by an Indian or be it by a Pakistani.