Indian state bans beef, introduces jail time for possession

[coffee_cup]

Ok so you are saying that in secular country insulting other religions is ok./ is not it ?

Troll reported.

Insulting no one's religion should be allowed in any country.
Neither should there be any restrictions put on minority religions by a country which calls herself secular but wants everyone to follow hindu traditions per constitution.

Both things do not match up, just like so many other contradictions that India as a country has.

 

[Ajit Kumar]

Troll reported.

Insulting no one's religion should be allowed in any country.
Neither should there be any restrictions put on minority religions by a country which calls herself secular but wants everyone to follow hindu traditions per constitution.

Both things do not match up, just like so many other contradictions that India as a country has.

Cow slaughter is insulting to Hindus and not mandatory to Islam. so Insulting Hinduism is not allowed as per secular law where is there is no restriction on Islam. Its a good step.

What about first create good habibat, then Ban.
Well, you can't ban Plastic in low income country like India eco plastics are expensive , you can limit it.

Nope. First ban then good habitat. Or do it simultaneously.

 

[Koovie]

So much Irony in this pic..........

 

[Manindra]

Nope. First ban then good habitat. Or do it simultaneously.

Its like same first kick out someone from his house & then give home after 1 or 2 year (in India case I don't know) if he or she alive that time.

So much Irony in this pic..........

Telling true story of love for Cows by so called our Hindus (for Vote sake)

 

[coffee_cup]

I applaud your point of view on the cartoons but my point is connected to India. In India, the cartoons would be banned along with any other literature that offends Muslims. That means the state follows a modified version of secularisn where it suppresses partially the right of some(non-Muslims in this case) of free speech because of the offense it causes to Muslims. Surely the the logic of the same state banning Beef which may infringe on some rights of non-Hindus to eat what they want can be viewed similarly. It is entirely consistent with how the Indian state conducts its secular business which is different from the likes of France where both eating whatever one wants regardless of the offense caused as well as drawing cartoons regardless of offense caused would be allowed.

Again you are mixing things.

If there is a universal law in India, which tackles the spread of hatred by banning derogatory cartoons about Hindu gods, Muslim or Christian sensitivities, it is fine. It applies to everyone, is secular in nature and has nothing to do with Hinduism as religion.

On the other hand if you want to amend your constitution to enforce hindu traditions onto others, then you are no more a secular country.

Just like France is no more secular if it would start declaring celebrating Christmas/Easter is mandatory for everyone regardless of whether Christian or not. Or that Mutton is forbidden to be eaten, because majority religion calls it sacred (hypothetical).

 

[Ajit Kumar]

Its like same first kick out someone from his house & then give home after 1 or 2 year (in India case I don't know) if he or she alive that time.


Telling true story of love for Cows by so called our Hindus (for Vote sake)

Nope its like save someone from slaughter house and then make a house for her.

 

[Manindra]

Nope its like save someone from slaughter house and then make a house for her.

In how much time ?

 

[Samudra Manthan]

I am putting Islam in my context
Cows always suffer even most extreme as most of our so called Hindu farmers leave & they eat plastic & paper & die horrible death & not a single drop of tears shown by our so called Hindus.

That is a rubbish argument. The vast majority of our cows and cattle live in the countryside where they have access to fresh grass and other vegetation. The cows you see in cities feeding on garbage are victims of rapid urbanization and expanding cities. The owners and the cows find themselves caught in between an expanding city and loss of pastureland. Not their fault. Neither were these cows brought by Hindus with the intention of feeding them garbage.

Given the situation they find themselves in, the cows are allowed to roam the city and gather whatever extra nourishment they can find from anywhere. Lots of houses feed them often with leftover food, vegetables, and fruits. Then they also forage in the garbage dumps for any thing else.

This is the most humane thing to do rather than send them to slaughter houses. Next you will be arguing that our homeless should be sent to slaughter houses since they are sleeping under the stars. Otherwise we are evil Hindus.

 

[Ajit Kumar]

In how much time ?

may be next 2-3 years. It took 68 years to save her. It will take couple of year to make a habitat.

 

[Bang Galore]

Again you are mixing things.

If there is a universal law in India, which tackles the spread of hatred by banning derogatory cartoons about Hindu gods, Muslim or Christian sensitivities, it is fine. It applies to everyone, is secular in nature and has nothing to do with Hinduism as religion.

On the other hand if you want to amend your constitution to enforce hindu traditions onto others, then you are no more a secular country.

Just like France is no more secular if it would start declaring celebrating Christmas/Easter is mandatory for everyone regardless of whether Christian or not. Or that Mutton is forbidden to be eaten, because majority religion calls it sacred (hypothetical).

I'm not mixing things, you need to better understand the point being made.

Where is the amendment to the constitution? The law takes action on issues than cause offense to a religious group, cow slaughter causes offense to Hindus while images of Gods do not. For Muslims images & cartoons may cause offense, the state therefore applies itself equally to all matter causing offense. When Muslims protests images of the prophets being made, even by non-Muslims, they are imposing a restriction of Islam on those who do not follow that religion. This is the same with the ban on cow slaughter.

You argument that there is a uniform law about cartoons is wrong, Hindus are not offended by images of their Gods & generally don't react violently even to cartoons that may be offensive. There is a restriction within Islams on imagery, that offense can only happen with Muslims. The equality of treatment is on all matters causing offense, not restricted by the nature of the offense.

 

[Manindra]

That is a rubbish argument. The vast majority of our cows and cattle live in the countryside where they have access to fresh grass and other vegetation. The cows you see in cities feeding on garbage are victims of rapid urbanization and expanding cities. The owners and the cows find themselves caught in between an expanding city and loss of pastureland. Not their fault. Neither were these cows brought by Hindus with the intention of feeding them garbage.

Given the situation they find themselves in, the cows are allowed to roam the city and gather whatever extra nourishment they can find from anywhere. Lots of houses feed them often with leftover food, vegetables, and fruits. Then they also forage in the garbage dumps for any thing else.

This is the most humane thing to do rather than send them to slaughter houses. Next you will be arguing that our homeless should be sent to slaughter houses since they are sleeping under the stars. Otherwise we are evil Hindus.

Let me tell you village story of U.P.
Every farmer want a cow nobody want bull & ox (Thanks to tractors) & after getting old cows are also become burden.
So, our cow loving farmers kick them out & these cattle start grazing on farm field & destroying harvest.
Now , our cow loving farmers caught them & put petrol in their Anus.
Do you know how much pain petrol do in your internal organ do ?
Its a same amount of Halal slaughter but without death.
And in this process all our cow loving people are involved who are active members of BJP, VHP, RSS, Bajrang Dal & Hindu Yuva Vahini ? So hypocrisy.

 

[Luca1]

Was that you argument on the French cartoons on the prophet? Surely the prophet is revered by people following Islam, why should others not be allowed to draw cartoons?

There is a difference here. Muhammad is an individual. Where as cows are every where and is a source of food for others. Maybe Hindus can pick a specific holy cow that no one can slaughter but allow others to be consumed.

 

[Manindra]

may be next 2-3 years. It took 68 years to save her. It will take couple of year to make a habitat.

And in 2 or three years they would eat plastics & surprisingly survive.

 

[ito]

So you saying that India is only for Hindus?

If cows are not holy to non-hindus, which there are plenty in India, then why the heck are they being denied a source of cheap protein, as many news articles suggest?

At least allow some sort of legal, licensed sales, like only in Muslim areas. What is next? You are going to make India a complete Vegan nation?

You comparison of cow slaughter to pork consumption is not correct. What is cow to Hindus is equal to Quran for Muslims. A cow is respected by Hindus as god as is Quran revered by Muslims.

 

[jamahir]

Cow Slaughter banned in UP since 1950
If you have a time then come to Tunde Kebeb wala & enjoy beef dishes which you never get in the world and some get in touch with original Urdu not Pakistani Khichdi Urdu

prohibiting abattoirs is different from maharashtra's case where even personal possession of the meat will be punishable and tracked to source...

India’s western state of Maharashtra has introduced a ban on beef so strict that even possession could land you in jail for five years, media reports and the chief minister said Tuesday. The country’s Hindu majority considers cows sacred, and several states already ban their slaughter. But the latest measures in Maharashtra — home to India’s commercial centre Mumbai — go even further, making sale or possession of beef an offence punishable by a five-year jail term or a 10,000 rupee ($160) fine.