Indian Special Forces

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I can write much much much more on the Hells week and my friends experience but my hands are tied..

What i can share and what the writer didnt share is that during the probation towards the later part a highly trained SF squad carries out an ambush on the recruits and those who are caught are tortured like hell and if you get caught you have very less chances of passing even if you dont share your secrets with the enemy units(ambush party).

Rejection rate is pretty high..last year during one such cource only 1 officer got selected from a batch of 5-6 young fit officers.(all others except 1 had fracture)

And i guess someone was asking that what does a SF operator earn.It is close to 50,000INR or 84,000Pakistani Rupees...This is like the lower most salary of a soldier.Officers earn much more.

I was seeing this BUDS video and the to-be-SEALS were subjected to room inspections and stringent search for other minor infractions, and if they fell short they wud go for sand rolls, night runs, pushups, et cetra.
Does this also happen with our SF?

 

[Abingdonboy]

I was seeing this BUDS video and the to-be-SEALS were subjected to room inspections and stringent search for other minor infractions, and if they fell short they wud go for sand rolls, night runs, pushups, et cetra.
Does this also happen with our SF?

OF COURSE! This is basic stuff. Even grunts in the IA get that kind of treatment (room searches, inspections, sand rolling) during basic.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I can write much much much more on the Hells week and my friends experience but my hands are tied..

What i can share and what the writer didnt share is that during the probation towards the later part a highly trained SF squad carries out an ambush on the recruits and those who are caught are tortured like hell and if you get caught you have very less chances of passing even if you dont share your secrets with the enemy units(ambush party).

Rejection rate is pretty high..last year during one such cource only 1 officer got selected from a batch of 5-6 young fit officers.(all others except 1 had fracture)

Would be good if you could do a write up at some point bro!

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I was seeing this BUDS video and the to-be-SEALS were subjected to room inspections and stringent search for other minor infractions, and if they fell short they wud go for sand rolls, night runs, pushups, et cetra.
Does this also happen with our SF?

This happens in NDA and IMA.This is pretty basic stuff mate.

I will tell you what happens in SF...When you are caught during probation by the enemy forces(ambush party) you are stripped all of your clothes and locked in a small room full of mosquitoes all night.The best part is when they bite your private parts.It should be pretty obvious that during the hells week you are not given a single meal or a bottle of water.You are thrashed like hell...you become a punching bag of well trained operators.Every type of torture technique is used except those which leave a permamnent mark.Getting abused and thrashed when your last meal was 3 days ago is not cool.Infact,many soldiers quit even after qualifiying fearing the tough constant phase of training in the Para..Ya this is true.I was soo shocked that how can people quit after qualifiying,It is because they know that this is not gonna stop and will continue all life.It is how the life in SF is.

Some people in India think SF is some kind of a joke and wearing cool camo and carrying imported Israeli weapons makes them a SF operator but sadly this is not true.These guys posting their pics on Facebook is not what a SF operator does.Para SF operators dont carry mobiles for 4-6 months in a go.Avoiding every mothafcking spying that can be done on them.And this is where your discipline seperates the real operators from the wannabes.

'''A SF operator is a SF operator even when armed with a bow and arrow...a wannabe is a wannabee even with a Tavor.'''

 

[Abingdonboy]

This happens in NDA and IMA.This is pretty basic stuff mate.

I will tell you what happens in SF...When you are caught during probation by the enemy forces(ambush party) you are stripped all of your clothes and locked in a small room full of mosquitoes all night.The best part is when they bite your private parts.It should be pretty obvious that during the hells week you are not given a single meal or a bottle of water.You are thrashed like hell...you become a punching bag of well trained operators.Every type of torture technique is used except those which leave a permamnent mark.Getting abused and thrashed when your last meal was 3 days ago is not cool.Infact,many soldiers quit even after qualifiying fearing the tough constant phase of training in the Para..Ya this is true.I was soo shocked that how can people quit after qualifiying,It is because they know that this is not gonna stop and will continue all life.It is how the life in SF is.

Some people in India think SF is some kind of a joke and wearing cool camo and carrying imported Israeli weapons makes them a SF operator but sadly this is not true.These guys posting their pics on Facebook is not what a SF operator does.Para SF operators dont carry mobiles for 4-6 months in a go.Avoiding every mothafcking spying that can be done on them.And this is where your discipline seperates the real operators from the wannabes.

'''A SF operator is a SF operator even when armed with a bow and arrow...a wannabe is a wannabee even with a Tavor.'''

I assuming that last portion is aimed at the Garuds :p.

And yeah, it's an ignorance to the Indian SFs that breeds inaccuracies about them. The fact is the SF prefer to stay quiet and out of the lime light (the IN's and IA's SF that is).


Some of the stuff these guys do would blow the average civilian's mind!


I think the SF should take it upon themselves to get their stories out their though. Secrecy is all well and good and I understand it but a few de-classified mission reports making their way to the general public wouldn't hurt.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Would be good if you could do a write up at some point bro!

Mate,Trust me i cant.The info is really sensitive.It is a really sensitive base where the toughest probation is carried out.It has been 7 years but i am still at the same place where i was 7 years ago..I have no clue about SG.Except that i have info on most SF units of the IA and their training.I keep sharing what i can...rest is not good to be out in the open.

I am shooting in the dark but if i gotta write a book on Para i would say that SG to Para is what SEAL Team 6 is to the USN and i got a strong feeling that SG is based in kashmir with strong possibilites of operatrors in Azad Kashmir.This is just a guess knowing the nature of work the SF does in Kashmir.In the past 15 years close to 100 Pakistani soldiers(just a guess) have been either beheaded or killed by the PARA SF(revenge ops)..so i think SG should be 1 step ahead of the game otherwise why make a special unit.

Now the biggest wonder is how is the insertion and extration carried out.I think it is pretty safe to imagine that SG has infiltrated Hafiz Saed's terrorist module.And i think the Pakistanis are right when they say that the RAWs Jalalabad base handles Indian SF operators.Earlier i used to think that RAW would be doing it but RAW doesnt have the best operators for this.The Army has the cream of the crop..and when normal SF is based in Kashmir that too having 2000 SF operators why would you need SG??.It is simple..its becuase you want to infiltrate the infiltrators.

This is my theory Abingdon..What do you think?

P.S-This is my guess based on my experience of 7 years trying to study SF operations.This was not told to me by any SF operator.

I assuming that last portion is aimed at the Garuds :p.

And yeah, it's an ignorance to the Indian SFs that breeds inaccuracies about them. The fact is the SF prefer to stay quiet and out of the lime light (the IN's and IA's SF that is).


Some of the stuff these guys do would blow the average civilian's mind!


I think the SF should take it upon themselves to get their stories out their though. Secrecy is all well and good and I understand it but a few de-classified mission reports making their way to the general public wouldn't hurt.

I have respect for Garuds now.They are doing a good job.It was aimed at COBRA.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Mate,Trust me i cant.The info is really sensitive.It is a really sensitive base where the toughest probation is carried out.It has been 7 years but i am still at the same place where i was 7 years ago..I have no clue about SG.Except that i have info on most SF units of the IA and their training.I keep sharing what i can...rest is not good to be out in the open.

I am shooting in the dark but if i gotta write a book on Para i would say that SG to Para is what SEAL Team 6 is to the USN and i got a strong feeling that SG is based in kashmir with strong possibilites of operatrors in Azad Kashmir.This is just a guess knowing the nature of work the SF does in Kashmir.In the past 15 years close to 100 Pakistani soldiers(just a guess) have been either beheaded or killed by the PARA SF(revenge ops)..so i think SG should be 1 step ahead of the game otherwise why make a special unit.

Now the biggest wonder is how is the insertion and extration carried out.I think it is pretty safe to imagine that SG has infiltrated Hafiz Saed's terrorist module.And i think the Pakistanis are right when they say that the RAWs Jalalabad base handles Indian SF operators.Earlier i used to think that RAW would be doing it but RAW doesnt have the best operators for this.The Army has the cream of the crop..and when normal SF is based in Kashmir that too having 2000 SF operators why would you need SG??.It is simple..its becuase you want to infiltrate the infiltrators.

This is my theory Abingdon..What do you think?

P.S-This is my guess based on my experience of 7 years trying to study SF operations.This was not told to me by any SF operator.

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I have respect for Garuds now.They are doing a good job.It was aimed at COBRA.

Ah good mate, I was going to have a mini rant at you if you had said yes , I'm glad we're on the same page about them (the Garuds). Well let the CoBRAs do what they want I guess, they do deliver and they work hard, they aren't SF's though- as we've both separately pointed out. The CRPF's SOPs on sharing media of their units is obviously far more lenient than the Indian Mil's where there is an effective ban on all of it- you can get into some DEEP,DEEP brown stuff for even posing in your uniform in pics that make their way onto social media sights. I have heard this first hand.





Wrt SG, I think you're not far off. What I would say is that SG work directly for RAW so their operations are very much intelligence led and are more strategic than perhaps the PARA (SF) working in JK who act as the "heavy guns" in the valley i.e. swooping in and acting as QRTs. I'd say SG are a mix between the CIA's SAD and the US Army's Delta. I have heard it for a fact that SG are on the ground in various countries in the region working on certain activities- if you ever hear of a terrorist just being dumped/presented at an Indian border then it will be SG doing this work, it doesn't just magically happen.


I couldn't comment on whether they were working in Afghanistan, I have no doubt RAW is present in Jalalbad- no doubt whatsoever. But I don't know what SG could be doing their because they aren't handlers of assets, they are simply "shooters"- RAW has their own handlers.

 

[Omega007]

@COLD.....bro,you should seriously think about writting a book on Indian SFs at some point of time.

By the way,can the Ghataks be termed as SF or they are more akin to shock infantry units??And don't you guys think that the number of Ghatak troopers should be increased to at least 2 companies/battalion from the present 1-2 platoon/battalion??

 

[Abingdonboy]

@COLD.....bro,you should seriously think about writting a book on Indian SFs at some point of time.

By the way,can the Ghataks be termed as SF or they are more akin to shock infantry units??And don't you guys think that the number of Ghatak troopers should be increased to at least 2 companies/battalion from the present 1-2 platoon/battalion??

No, they are NOT SFs. Using Western lexicon, though, one could describe than as "Special Operations Capable" Infantry.

 

[Omega007]

No, they are NOT SFs. Using Western lexicon, though, one could describe than as "Special Operations Capable" Infantry.

OK,I get it,like the US Army Rangers.But their numbers should be increased though IMHO.

 

[Abingdonboy]

OK,I get it,like the US Army Rangers.But their numbers should be increased though IMHO.

Somewhat yes. I think maybe in a few years increase the number, first let the existing units get the kit they've got on order.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Ah good mate, I was going to have a mini rant at you if you had said yes , I'm glad we're on the same page about them (the Garuds). Well let the CoBRAs do what they want I guess, they do deliver and they work hard, they aren't SF's though- as we've both separately pointed out. The CRPF's SOPs on sharing media of their units is obviously far more lenient than the Indian Mil's where there is an effective ban on all of it- you can get into some DEEP,DEEP brown stuff for even posing in your uniform in pics that make their way onto social media sights. I have heard this first hand.





Wrt SG, I think you're not far off. What I would say is that SG work directly for RAW so their operations are very much intelligence led and are more strategic than perhaps the PARA (SF) working in JK who act as the "heavy guns" in the valley i.e. swooping in and acting as QRTs. I'd say SG are a mix between the CIA's SAD and the US Army's Delta. I have heard it for a fact that SG are on the ground in various countries in the region working on certain activities- if you ever hear of a terrorist just being dumped/presented at an Indian border then it will be SG doing this work, it doesn't just magically happen.


I couldn't comment on whether they were working in Afghanistan, I have no doubt RAW is present in Jalalbad- no doubt whatsoever. But I don't know what SG could be doing their because they aren't handlers of assets, they are simply "shooters"- RAW has their own handlers.

Mate,in the last operation RAW did in Pakistan it was near the outskirts of the city of Lahore or Karachi(not sure) where they shot 2 or 3 pakistanis believed to involved in terrorism against India.The best part is that these guys tortured them before shooting them..Now torturing is an art of the skilled that too before shooting which means they must have some info taken out.

 

[bloo]

This happens in NDA and IMA.This is pretty basic stuff mate.

I will tell you what happens in SF...When you are caught during probation by the enemy forces(ambush party) you are stripped all of your clothes and locked in a small room full of mosquitoes all night.The best part is when they bite your private parts.It should be pretty obvious that during the hells week you are not given a single meal or a bottle of water.You are thrashed like hell...you become a punching bag of well trained operators.Every type of torture technique is used except those which leave a permamnent mark.Getting abused and thrashed when your last meal was 3 days ago is not cool.Infact,many soldiers quit even after qualifiying fearing the tough constant phase of training in the Para..Ya this is true.I was soo shocked that how can people quit after qualifiying,It is because they know that this is not gonna stop and will continue all life.It is how the life in SF is.

Some people in India think SF is some kind of a joke and wearing cool camo and carrying imported Israeli weapons makes them a SF operator but sadly this is not true.These guys posting their pics on Facebook is not what a SF operator does.Para SF operators dont carry mobiles for 4-6 months in a go.Avoiding every mothafcking spying that can be done on them.And this is where your discipline seperates the real operators from the wannabes.

'''A SF operator is a SF operator even when armed with a bow and arrow...a wannabe is a wannabee even with a Tavor.'''

Thanks aviator, my faith in them had been shaken after coming across a few yellow journalistic articles.

Navy SEALs BUDS Training

 

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[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

@COLD.....bro,you should seriously think about writting a book on Indian SFs at some point of time.

By the way,can the Ghataks be termed as SF or they are more akin to shock infantry units??And don't you guys think that the number of Ghatak troopers should be increased to at least 2 companies/battalion from the present 1-2 platoon/battalion??

I will take it as a compliment.Thank you.I am 23 and i have a long way to go for that.

The Commanding Officers rate them as SF only but they are not.
Well..the size wont be increased but they will get equipped like Para SF in the near future.Army is short of budget to equip 2 companies and they are specialised troops.

We should infact reduce the number of operators and concentrate on better equipping them.

Thanks aviator, my faith in them had been shaken after coming across a few yellow journalistic articles.

In who?..I am sorry i am online after 2 weeks kindly share the articles with me.