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Indian special forces carry out cross border operation into Myanmar. Several militants Killed

That's the problem. We may or may not have the big stick but we seem unable to talk softly. The government should have leaked whatever they wanted to say but should have simply made no statements. Ministers like Rathore should have offered no comments whatsoever. The media can be trusted to go bonkers, you know how badly Nepal was messed up. They will likely do similarly with relation to the Myanmar government. Best that ministerial quotes are not available in such a situation.

You cannot conduct an international operation and hold no press briefing. That is one sure way to fan controversy and rumours. It can easily be spun into an attack on Myanmar and turned into an international incident.

The corollary of Having a big stick and talking softly is that IF you do not have a big stick, you need to bark loudly. :angel:

Know the story of Buddha and the snake ? Game Theory suggest the same.

The whole idea is to sue for peace and to escalate the cost of a proxy war to force them back onto the negotiation table and dilute held positions by our opponent.

Myanmar is more or less isolated from the global Media and India has excellent relationship with them. We just sold them our Submarine Sonar.

About Rathor, don't know if he was part of the plan or was just shooting from the hip. PMO had issued strict instructions about giving interviews so it is unlikely to be a unplanned move.

Ahh, the predictability of stupidity. We should have some rules here not to allow juveniles. You should waste your time on xbox or something rather than talking about things you don't have an iota of knowledge about.

LOL. No doubt you go around hiding your face so that people don't kill you. Do you shave your hair too like "kung fu" monks for that rare chance that your enemies can grab your hair ? :cheesy:
 
LOL. No doubt you go around hiding your face so that people don't kill you. Do you shave your hair too like "kung fu" monks for that rare chance that your enemies can grab your hair ? :cheesy:

:lol: Don't play video games too much. Kids have a hard time differentiating between idea and reality after that.
 
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Thirty minutes, from ‘insertion’ to ‘kill’ to ‘out’. Forty of India’s toughest fighting men, commandos from the elite 21 Para (Special Force) Regiment, in two teams. Russian-made Mi-35 attack helicopters of the Indian Air Force. Two rebel camps, four km deep in Myanmar, and more than 20 militants. All destroyed with surgical precision and extreme prejudice.

Indian paratroopers conducted cross-border strikes on two insurgent camps in Myanmar early on Tuesday, inflicting "significant casualties" five days after 18 soldiers were killed in Manipur in the worst attack on security forces in 30 years.

Tuesday’s operation wasn’t just about revenge or hot pursuit; the strikes were pre-emptive. "In the course of the last few days, credible and specific intelligence was received about further attacks that were being planned within our territory," a statement released by the army said.

Releasing details of the operation, the army said it had inflicted "significant casualties" but didn’t give a precise number. Sources said at 22 militants were killed in the twin strikes on camps located well within Myanmar territory.

A similar number were said to be injured, and the others were scattered by the ferocity of the attack that involved use of the machine guns mounted on the Mi-35s. These guns fire the heavy and incredibly powerful 12.7 mm round at the mind-boggling rate of about 4,000 rounds a minute, what is referred to as ‘hosepipe’ in army slang. Little survives such firepower, and in Myanmar early on Tuesday, little did.

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The rare cross-border strike was supervised at the highest levels, HT has learnt. National security adviser AK Doval and defence minister Manohar Parrikar monitored the operation that began at 3 am Tuesday. “Myanmar was informed about the plans but the strikes at two locations were conducted by our army,’’ an official said.

Doval, who dropped out of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s weekend tour of Bangladesh at the last minute, Parrikar and army chief Gen Dalbir Singh, who put off a visit of the UK following the Manipur ambush, coordinated the operation.

Intelligence reports and satellite images of insurgent camps were shared with Myanmar. “One attack took place opposite Chassad in Manipur’s Ukhrul district, the other, opposite to Noklak in Nagaland’s Tuensang district,” home ministry sources said on condition of anonymity.

An "immediate response was necessary" to counter the assault being planned by "groups involved in earlier attacks on our security personnel", the army said. The statement, however, didn’t say if the "significant casualties" included those responsible for the June 4 Manipur attack.

The camp close to Manipur was known to be a Peoples Liberation Army, a Meitei outfit, base, sources said. Members of the Nationalist Socialist Council of Nagaland (Khaplang) and other Meitei insurgent groups also camped there. Meitei are the majority ethnic group in Manipur, where several insurgent outfits continue to oppose the state’s union with India.

The camp close to Noklak was a Khaplang base, sources said. “It is suspected that top leaders of the Khaplang faction including Starson Lamkang (the self-styled finance minister, or ‘kilonser’) may have been at the camp,” sources said. Lamkang is believed to be involved in the June 4 ambush that was claimed by the NSCN (K). The outfit had in March ended the ceasefire with the Indian government.

Indicating that more strikes could be coming, the army’s statement said they were in touch with the authorities in the neighbouring country.
 
How many such BS posts do we need?

@Horus @Oscar

Can you please merge this into one....and stop all renamed threads on the same thing.
 
My my.. if you are old enough to have kids of your own and mental maturity level like one, then you should consider getting some professional help, don't you think ? Or may be it's too late for that already ?

This is one of the most important operation carried out by Indian Military.

And you guys are talking about Video games o_O

Chinese officials deny PLA links with Manipur attackers
Beijing, Jun 10, 2015 (PTI)

Chinese officials have refuted allegations of the country's army assisting militants in northeast India, saying such charges are "absurd" and such a linkage is "impossible".

Any claim that People's Liberation Army (PLA) officers may be in touch with the leaders of an insurgent group - Nationalist Socialist Council of Nagaland-Khaplang (NSCN-K) - suspected to have been involved in a recent attack on Indian troops is "absurd", state-run Global Times reported quoting officials of the government-run think-tanks.

Experts believe that the existence of ties between the PLA and Indian militants is impossible, the report said.

Earlier, reports in Indian media quoted a senior Indian official as saying that NSCN-K abrogated its ceasefire pact with the Centre following instructions from PLA.


Chinese Foreign Ministry has not commented on the allegations so far.

"The Indian media has long been a rumour monger when it comes to China's support for the insurgent groups in north eastern India," said Zhao Gancheng, director of the Centre for Asian-Pacific Studies at the state-run Shanghai Institutes for International Studies.

"A connection between China and the Indian rebels is impossible, especially after India and China resumed diplomatic relationships in 1988," he said.

"The phone-intercepts can prove nothing. It is hard to determine the identity of Chinese [officials] just by a phone conversation. It can be easily forged," said Wang Dehua, director of the Center for South Asian Studies at Tongji University.

Li Li, deputy director of the Institute of South and Southeast Asian and Oceania Studies at the China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations, termed such reports as "absurd".

"It is impossible for China to intervene in the domestic affairs of India, especially when the two countries' relationship is developing very well after (Prime Minister Narendra) Modi's visit (to China last month)," Li added.


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Those militants are from Myanmar who are creating problems inside Indian territories and hampering development.
 
This is one of the most important operation carried out by Indian Military.

And you guys are talking about Video games o_O

Ahh some dumb fellow, who was arguing just for argument's sake, my apologies.
 
In response to the killing of 18 of its troops by militants in Manipur, the Indian Army in one of its biggest covert missions sent troops into Myanmar to strike at two camps and, according to official estimates, killed over 20 suspected militants.

The operation seemed to signal a more aggressive Indian military strategy aimed at weeding out terrorist threats. So how was such a bold operation planned, and what really happened on the ground? And is it a precursor for more such strikes in the future? Here's everything you need to know about the Myanmar operation:

How did the Indian Army know where to attack?

The Indian Army has said that it had received 'credible and specific intelligence' on the basis of which it carried out attacks on two separate groups of insurgents who were camped in Myanmar along the Nagaland and Manipur border.


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The army had received intelligence about two camps of the Nationalist Socialist Council of Nagaland (Khaplang) and its allies from operatives, who reportedly crossed over into Myanmar days ago and returned with photographs that showed the precise locations, said a Times of India report.

The militant camps are reported to have housed militants from the Nationalist Socialist Council of Nagaland (Khaplang) and other Meitei insurgent groups, according to aHindustan Times report. Top leaders of the NSCN, including the group's self-styled finance minister Starson Lamkang, who is said to have been responsible for the Manipur attack, may have been present at the camp, sources told the newspaper.

How was the attack carried out?

Reports said that National Security Advisor Ajit Doval had dropped out of the Prime Minister's diplomatic visit to Bangladesh to help plan the operation with Army chief General Dalbir Singh.

According to an NDTV report, Mi-17 helicopters were used to ferry personnel from the Army's 21 Para (Special Forces) unit and Assam Rifles two-kilometres deep into Myanmar. The commandoes then reportedly proceeded on foot and in the last leg of their journey crawled hundreds of metres to finally raid the camps. They were also reportedly assisted by the helicopters and drones deployed by the Indian Air Force, according to the Times of India.

Not a single Indian troop sustained major injuries in the attack, while the number of suspected militants killed is currently pegged at 20 but could be higher, officials said.

The helicopters were then used to ferry the troops back into India.

So did Myanmar know about the attack?

The Indian Army in its official statement said that they had been in touch with Myanmar authorities.

"We are in communication with the Myanmar authorities on this matter. There is a history of close cooperation between our two militaries. We look forward to working with them to combat such terrorism," the official statement from the Indian Army said.

However, reports said that the India had informed Myanmar well after the operation had already begun. The Times of India said that Indian authorities had done so, despite having an agreement to permit troops crossing the border, because they feared a leak of information from the lower ranks of the Myanmar army to the militants.

According to an Economic Times report, the Myanmar army doesn't have operational control in the region where the attacks were carried out.

Is this the first such cross-border operation of its kind?

Turns out it has. An Indian Express report cites the various instances where the Indian Army has acted in collaboration with the armed forces of the neighbouring nations. However, the last major attack carried out in Myanmar was reportedly in 1995 when India had carried out a joint military operation to block 200 militants from reaching Manipur with a consignment of arms.

But the report also notes that never before has the Indian Army been as public about a attack carried out across the border. Equally unprecedented is the speed of the reprisal for a terrorist attack.

In this case, the Indian Army is reported to have acted with such alacrity due to a clearance from the Prime Minister. The reprisal was reportedly sanctioned in order to boost the morale of the army after the Manipur attack in which 18 soldiers were killed.

Does this mean the Indian army can do the same in other neighbouring countries?

The Indian Army's press release and other statements by the government hint that the Modi government will not be averse to carrying out other such strikes in other neighbouring countries.

MoS and retired Colonel Rajyavardhan Rathore's tweet on the attack is also seen as a sign of things to come.


He also told the Indian Express , "This is a message for all countries, including Pakistan, and groups harbouring terror intent towards India. A terrorist is a terrorist and has no other identity. We will strike when we want to."

However, the Indian Army doesn't have agreements of the same kind it with these countries. Similar attacks carried out along the Line of Control have been done clandestinely and close to the border. Wading two kilometres into an other country is near impossible without sanction from the concerned nation and the Indian government is unlikely to risk antagonising other nations by doing so.

So no 'surgical strikes' deep in Pakistan?

Except in Bollywood films, such a strike is very very unlikely. Unless the Indian Army intends to start an all out war, it will not be able to carry out an attack of this sort in Pakistan.

Pakistan National Security Advisor had cautioned in 2014 that a 'surgical strike' was not an option for India.

"Our army is fully alert and capable to appropriate response," he had warned. Add to that the threat of nuclear war and you have two very good reasons why Indian choppers won't be flying across the Pakistan border any time soon.
Myanmar strike against militants: The 'how', 'why' and 'what next' of Indian Army's covert mission - Firstpost

Most balanced article on this raid till now
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My my.. if you are old enough to have kids of your own and mental maturity level like one, then you should consider getting some professional help, don't you think ? Or may be it's too late for that already ?

"my my " ? :lol: ......... give me a good idea about the kind of pansy you are. You need to share your "expert" opinion with other idiots of similar calibre. Stop wasting my time with your stupidity.
 
Provide some link to substantiate your claims. Pakistan claims carry almost zero credibility.

I am sure you are suffering terrorism, but that does not seem to have made your "establishment" rethink its strategy to use terrorist to wage a proxy war. Its pointless to discuss this further. Its a waste of my time.

The similar sort of thing is carried out by your MI. You do it through toy bombs in gilgit targetting the civilian population. Do google you will find links, if i provide links then you will say not genuine.
 
The similar sort of thing is carried out by your MI. You do it through toy bombs in gilgit targetting the civilian population. Do google you will find links, if i provide links then you will say not genuine.

Nope, since you have claimed that Indian MI does the same, the onus is on you to provide the proof. Absence of which will only prove what we already know.
 

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