Indian soldier critically injured by Pakistani sniper.

[Cookie Monster]

Dear keyboard warriors on both sides,

It is a matter of regret that a martyr's sacrifices on both side has become a number contest and a kill sport to some members here. Have you all ever thought of the the young children of these martyrs who will never see their father's and the wives, parents or relatives of these gentlemen ever be made to run from pillar to post in the quest for compensation, we don't all we do is post Rip and remember them for 24 hours and done . then our Tv channels post some shit about IK or Modi and we have and our nation both side are more interested in that shit . All I ask is show some respect to the fallen on both sides rather counting them as numbers.

Thank you

I agree with ur post in the sense that we shouldn't belittle these brave souls laying down their lives in service of their respective countries. However it's also pointless. It's pointless whether the members of this forum show respect or thump their chests in jingoism. Why does it matter what they say? The soldiers will die all the same. This change in the mindset that u r pointing out needs to happen at the government level. Remember there used to be a time when such incidents at the LoC were few and far between...and then slowly it progressed more and more. Then Modi decided to completely milk the situation for his political "strong man" image and here we stand. There's only two possibilities...one is that things remain as they are(in terms of casualties)...second is the Modi government comes to its senses. So far Modi has been sidelining the Kashmir issue and not willing to talk to Pak...and so the situation remains.

 

[MimophantSlayer]

Where did my statement employed I m happy sonny I just gave basic fact

Never said you were happy.
I only inferred you were being nonchalant about your soldier dying in a non war period.

As for the pak soldier rip another of yours would be taken out

And we will again retaliate justly.

As always, you start things, we end it.

All this violence could be avoided if your leaders talk like sensible people not fueling ESR hysteria for own benefits

Nope.
All this violence will only be avoided if pakistan stops using terrorists as proxies to destabilize Kashmir.

Or at the least not provide cover fire for the said infiltrating terrorists.

 

[khanmubashir]

Never said you were happy.
I only inferred you were being nonchalant about your soldier dying in a non war period.



And we will again retaliate justly.

As always, you start things, we end it.



Nope.
All this violence will only be avoided if pakistan stops using terrorists as proxies to destabilize Kashmir.

Or at the least not provide cover fire for the said infiltrating terrorists.

Pakistan support freedom fighters because we r party to the issue of Kashmir If India does not solve the issue diplomatically the other means will be used
As for ending things sonny except for bng with unique geographic situation of 1000 km distance and India in between u haven't been able to end any thing and even. In there u started it by as u said supporting terrorist proxies like mukti bahni
U Aldo created terrorist Tamil tigers in srilanka
So look at who is talking about terrorist Sonny

 

[BHarwana]

The sniper needs more training.

Nope they don't. It is the usual tactic of sniper to injure the first victim and then take out the help as well converting one target into multiples.

 

[MimophantSlayer]

Pakistan support freedom fighters because we r party to the issue of Kashmir If India does not solve the issue diplomatically the other means will be used

Naah.
You support terrorists, pakistan's neighbors are all well aware of how proxies have been used by pak against its neighbors.
The UNSC resolution already explains what pakistan needs to do(i.e. 1st move out of your side of Kashmir, then we do it, then comes plebiscite) to ensure diplomatically solving the issue, but we all know that if diplomacy gets involved pakistan will lose out hence the terrorist proxies.

The terrorists already know that if the kashmiri citizens vote, they won't chose their "freedom fighting" ilk, which is whh whenever there's elections in Kashmir they ask people not to vote or straight up threaten to bomb voting booths and threaten the said people.

As fkr democracy in the pakistani side of kashmir, oh well, we all know how that goes.

As for ending things sonny except for bng with unique geographic situation of 1000 km distance and India in between u haven't been able to end any thing and even. In there u started it by as u said supporting terrorist proxies like mukti bahni
U Aldo created terrorist Tamil tigers in srilanka
So look at who is talking about terrorist Sonny

So what?
Quite a few countries have enclaves and territories outside their mainland, they have found a way of keeping it unlike pakistan.

Only people who consider mukti bahini terrorists are you pakistanis, go figure, they defeated you.

But, let's give you the benefit of the doubt, let's assume India does support terrorist outfits, unlike you we actually win using them.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Naah.
You support terrorists, pakistan's neighbors are all well aware of how proxies have been used by pak against its neighbors.
The UNSC resolution already explains what pakistan needs to do(i.e. 1st move out of your side of Kashmir, then we do it, then comes plebiscite) to ensure diplomatically solving the issue, but we all know that if diplomacy gets involved pakistan will lose out hence the terrorist proxies.

The terrorists already know that if the kashmiri citizens vote, they won't chose their "freedom fighting" ilk, which is whh whenever there's elections in Kashmir they ask people not to vote or straight up threaten to bomb voting booths and threaten the said people.

As fkr democracy in the pakistani side of kashmir, oh well, we all know how that goes.
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So what?
Quite a few countries have enclaves and territories outside their mainland, they have found a way of keeping it unlike pakistan.

Only people who consider mukti bahini terrorists are you pakistanis, go figure, they defeated you.

But, let's give you the benefit of the doubt, let's assume India does support terrorist outfits, unlike you we actually win using them.

actually even indians have confessed that you will lose plebiscite, if it is ever held.

 

[MimophantSlayer]

actually even indians have confessed that you will lose plebiscite, if it is ever held.

Then what's stopping you lot?
Follow the UNSC resolution, and take our side of Kashmir all for pakistan.
Pakistan would essentially "defeat India" without firing a bullet.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Then what's stopping you lot?
Follow the UNSC resolution, and take our side of Kashmir all for pakistan.
Pakistan would essentially "defeat India" without firing a bullet.

we would but india donr even accept kashmir an issue.
give us guarantee that pleblicite will be conducted and we will pull back within 48 hours. Guarantee like if india dont do it then pakistan should be allow to nuke 50 indian cities of choice. Since india is sincere then this may not be an issue.

 

[MimophantSlayer]

we would but india donr even accept kashmir an issue.
give us guarantee that pleblicite will be conducted and we will pull back within 48 hours. Guarantee like if india dont do it then pakistan should be allow to nuke 50 indian cities of choice. Since india is sincere then this may not be an issue.

We accept Kashmir as a bilateral issue like the UN accepts it is a bilateral issue like it always has. How hard is that to understand?

Pakistan on the other hand does not want it to be a bilateral issue and wants others to intervene coz we all know a fair and just plebiscite of both sides of Kashmir would totally wreck the pakistani rhetoric, no wonder the political rights and civil liberties on the pakistani side of kashmir are so abysmal.

Well of course the plebiscite will be conducted if you move out, the guarantee was when we full and well acknowledged the the UNSC resolutions and when it was adopted by the UN.

Don't try to put this on us, the onus is on you pakistanis to make the 1st move, not us.
First, announce that you want to do a full and complete plebiscite of the whole of Kashmir and that you would be adhering to the UNSC resolutions of the past. Any promises you want out of India won't come until YOU make the first move. Simple.

Also, why are you bringing in nukes into the equation? Are threats the only way you pakistanis do things? No wonder you lot never adhered to the initial UNSC resolutions, you knew the results would be against pakistan.

 

[Zarvan]

 

[khanmubashir]

Then what's stopping you lot?
Follow the UNSC resolution, and take our side of Kashmir all for pakistan.
Pakistan would essentially "defeat India" without firing a bullet.

Sonny we r ready to follow unsc resolution but u reject there interjection
Unsc can only start plebiscite at same time on both sides with minimum forces present Tue control will be used under un as for pak eviction read the resolution first sonny it says Pakistani tribesmen to evict not all Pakistani regular forces besides ajk regiment and northern light infantry r local

Besides if yr leaders had diplomatic advantage u would not have run a way from talks as u do

Naah.
You support terrorists, pakistan's neighbors are all well aware of how proxies have been used by pak against its neighbors.
The UNSC resolution already explains what pakistan needs to do(i.e. 1st move out of your side of Kashmir, then we do it, then comes plebiscite) to ensure diplomatically solving the issue, but we all know that if diplomacy gets involved pakistan will lose out hence the terrorist proxies.

The terrorists already know that if the kashmiri citizens vote, they won't chose their "freedom fighting" ilk, which is whh whenever there's elections in Kashmir they ask people not to vote or straight up threaten to bomb voting booths and threaten the said people.

As fkr democracy in the pakistani side of kashmir, oh well, we all know how that goes.
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So what?
Quite a few countries have enclaves and territories outside their mainland, they have found a way of keeping it unlike pakistan.

Only people who consider mukti bahini terrorists are you pakistanis, go figure, they defeated you.

But, let's give you the benefit of the doubt, let's assume India does support terrorist outfits, unlike you we actually win using them.

U only won once via proxies sonny in bng that again due to unique geographic situation of a 1000 km India dividing the two your Tamil tigers proxies were destroyed by srilanka and this gave them reason to align with China allowing then to dock on its ports etc
And as for winning via proxies look at soviet collapse in afg and now USA caught in unwinnable longest war of its history
And looking for way out
Iok was hell for u back in 90s u got a lucky break in form of 911 we had to divert attention to afg but now that break is about to over Sonny

 

[MimophantSlayer]

Sonny we r ready to follow unsc resolution but u reject there interjection

Stop lying.
Why should we reject the UNSC resolution? It's mostly in our favor anyway.

Unsc can only start plebiscite at same time on both sides with minimum forces present Tue control will be used under un as for pak eviction read the resolution first sonny it says Pakistani tribesmen to evict not all Pakistani regular forces besides ajk regiment and northern light infantry r local

You are mighty presumptuous, when did I say all pak forces?
1st is you have to remove your tribesmen and pakistani nationals from the region, whatever India has to do only comes after you have done the above.

U only won once via proxies sonny in bng that again due to unique geographic situation of a 1000 km India dividing the two

Twist it however you like, we won you lost.
You have the same excuses for the western front? Where we blockaded you and captured more of your territory than you did ours?

your Tamil tigers proxies were destroyed by srilanka and this gave them reason to align with China allowing then to dock on its ports etc

Not really.
Their decline started only when we stopped supporting them and crushed the LTTE during Operation Pawan.

And as for winning via proxies look at soviet collapse in afg and now USA caught in unwinnable longest war of its history
And looking for way out
Iok was hell for u back in 90s u got a lucky break in form of 911 we had to divert attention to afg but now that break is about to over Sonny

That's your excuse? That we got lucky?
We got lucky continously in almost every single war and skirmish?
Face it, our tactics have just worked and is working better than yours.

India does not have the same objective as America our support to Mukti Bahini and LTTE were temporary and only for the stabilization of the region which happened in both cases.

The break is indeed over, i.e. the break from pakistan using proxies as a substitute for a conventional conflict with India it cannot sustain.
India is one of the fastest growing nations in the world with a military budget pakistan can't hope to match, our military modernization has left pakistan in the dust, our space ventures even further so, our political clout increases every year.

 

[khanmubashir]

Stop lying.
Why should we reject the UNSC resolution? It's mostly in our favor anyway.




You are mighty presumptuous, when did I say all pak forces?
1st is you have to remove your tribesmen and pakistani nationals from the region, whatever India has to do only comes after you have done the above.





Twist it however you like, we won you lost.
You have the same excuses for the western front? Where we blockaded you and captured more of your territory than you did ours?



Not really.
Their decline started only when we stopped supporting them and crushed the LTTE during Operation Pawan.




That's your excuse? That we got lucky?
We got lucky continously in almost every single war and skirmish?
Face it, our tactics have just worked and is working better than yours.

India does not have the same objective as America our support to Mukti Bahini and LTTE were temporary and only for the stabilization of the region which happened in both cases.

The break is indeed over, i.e. the break from pakistan using proxies as a substitute for a conventional conflict with India it cannot sustain.
India is one of the fastest growing nations in the world with a military budget pakistan can't hope to match, our military modernization has left pakistan in the dust, our space ventures even further so, our political clout increases every year.

Tribesmen have been removed sonny and unsc resolution only called for there removal by name read first
As for your tactics worked and u won every time sonny then why did your Nehru ran to UN in 48 asked for truce and we r keeping 48% of Kashmir
Or your backers soviet came in 65 to ask a ceasefire and your shastri ndied of broken heart people don't die from shame of winning my child
As for your fastest growing economy u r still no way near Soviet and USA level and even those guys had to ask a deal as I said u had a break time due to 911 but that break time is over son abs your rundi Rona about so called terrorism is only affective as long as USA present in Afghanistan to use it as excuse to pressurize once they make deal and gone no one will give a damn about how many gangus died leaving u alone to with pak and China nexis