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Indian slum population doubles in two decades

You've only got to visit one of these 'slums' when you visit India to understand the situation. TV sets, latest mobile handsets, motorbikes anything that is new will be found in the slums. They have all luxuries of life except perhaps an airconditioning system and a proper house. I've been into many slums and have seen it all first hand.

It's not a question of money. People in my town are finding it hard to hire labour for Rs.100 per day.Such is the demand. The problem is about 'cheap' urban housing.

The government has been spending quite a lot of money in urban renewal missions. The name is Jawaharlal Nehru Urban Renewal Mission Programme. I've just completed reading about a proposed Rs.1400 crore rupee grant to my city to fix its roads, slums and waste-management. We're already recieved approvals for some hundred crores I think.
 
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Samudra

Labour of Rs.100/Day;Where do you see that, 12 years back!!!!! Even in coimbatore it is 200/day.
It is 250/dayto Rs.300/day here in cochin
 
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Samudra

Labour of Rs.100/Day;Where do you see that, 12 years back!!!!! Even in coimbatore it is 200/Hour.
It is 250/Hour to Rs.300/hour here in cochin

So @8 hrs/day, these labours would be making atleast 50 grands a month & enjoy the benefits of spending time with their family on saturdays & sundays. He could even buy a Nintendo Wii for his son. Too much for a labour.

I guess Samudra was referring to unskilled labours.
 
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Sorry Buhroda

I wrote it wrong, it is /Day..... Even that is huge increase. I will edit it out. It is increasing. Here in Kerala we are having labours coming in truck loads from Orrisa and Northern India along with T.N, since the construction boom.

Kerala Local's charge : Rs.350/Day
Tamilians charge: Rs 250-275/Day
Northern's, oriya's: Rs. 200-250/Day
 
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Sorry Buhroda

I wrote it wrong, it is /Day..... Even that is huge increase. I will edit it out. It is increasing. Here in Kerala we are having labours coming in truck loads from Orrisa and Northern India along with T.N, since the construction boom.

Kerala Local's charge : Rs.350/Day
Tamilians charge: Rs 250-275/Day
Northern's, oriya's: Rs. 200-250/Day

:lol: :lol:

Well.. Rs. 200/day sounds reasonable though, I don't think a labour would get anything more than Rs.50-75 per day in Orissa/Bihar. I suppose GoI has set Rs.50/day for labours in its rural employment scheme. But then, its for the most under-previledged who have no other option. I think Rs.350/day is in places like Cochin or Trivandrum that are witnessing construction boom at the moment. In rural Kerala, I doubt if this pay rate could be commanded by any labourer.
 
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kerala has a level development all around, Good things about communism.
I have one project going on in rural kerala; The labour charge over there is Rs.50 lesser than the cochin one's.
If you give your construction to a contractor; he will charge you from Rs.1000 a sqft to Rs.1200 a Sqft in the city, while in the rural part it will cost you Rs.650 to Rs.850 a sqft for labour and materials.
 
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Slums exist in India because of government's inability to create a proper low-class housing society. The migrant workers somehow find a way to manage a roof in these slums. I am not sure what your friend told you is exactly true. In Mumbai, you always have to provide the address of your previous accomodation before you move into a home. Something that a person from slum finds hard to provide as they arn't registered addresses. Morover, nobody would want a slum dweller around in a proper middle class housing society. Therefore, these people find it harder to migrate out of slums. Moreover, you & I view slums from our perspective, whereas for the people actually living in the slums it is their home & workplace where they live & make their livelihood. More reasons why people do not want to migrate out of slums. It isn't that government hasn't tried anything in the past but every attempt to rehabilitate them has met with a failure to come up with a solution of providing them with an alternative employment. If slums go, the small scale industries operating in the slums go as well & thereby, goes the livelihood of people. I suggest you read this month's national geographic's cover story which has a brief & detailed narrative of the lives of slum dwellers in Dharavi(Mumbai) & what government & NGOs plan for them. Here is the link

http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0705/feature3/index.html
Thanks for the explaination, Bushroda,it sounds reasonable except the highlighted line (isn't that illegal to discriminate people from slums?).

I guess slum has to feature Indian urbanization progress until governmental macro readjustment and control find its way in urban housing,along with the improvement of the industrial structure. It's normal for real estate to become more expensive in most of the rising counties which will trend to class people drastically if governments fail to guide the realty business.

10 years ago in China, the government had encouraged the developers to build a lot of low cost houses which were affordable for the poor. but as time flowed by,the developers found that the rapidly rising property value is making things different: high class housing brings much more profits than what they used to gain from the governmental preferential policies upon low-cost housing. thus, now in Guangzhou, a policy got issued that developers must ensure no less than 30% of their residential construction are low cost housing.

China & India are two different cases. Chinese government doesn't have to go to people every 5 years to beg for vote. Indian politicians do. So, Chinese government can send people an ultimatum to vacate, offer them the compensation & bulldoze their way. Whereas, Indian government can never dare to send an ultimatum. All they can do is persuade these people to move out offering them a hefty compensation only if they wish to do so.

This is not convictive to me anyway. China has been implementing market economy since 1982. Actually these's nothing more than social stability in the Chinese government's concern, and housing is one of the biggest inducements to break the social stability if it's not in good care. upon which tightening up the legal system and sticking to market economy is the ultimate solution. Three months ago in Chongqing, a medium developed city in southwest China, there had been a remarkable fight between the real estate developer and a sticking householder who stood firmly with the property low, claiming RMB 6 million ($779,200) for removing from his old house which the developer bid only 2 million. and finally they achieved a deal of 3 million. Reuters says it's a victory of the Property low.

To be clear, in China if a developer wants your land, he has to negotiate with you,otherwise both can go to the courte where balance is usually inclined to disadvantaged groups.
If the government wants your land (that's always for public use), they firstly ask the land board and appointed bank to evaluate your house then offer you a current market price (base price), you can also ask other banks to evaluate your house. when both evaluations are converged and makes the final compensation. the government will set a period for you to move. but you can also go to the courte if not being satisfied. it's hackneyed to indict the local governments in China.

So, it is power of law, not of the government.
 
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Thanks for the explaination, Bushroda,it sounds reasonable except the highlighted line (isn't that illegal to discriminate people from slums?).

Often, it is the economical reason that prevent slum dwellers from getting into a decent housing society. Flawed rent act also discourages the landlords from taking slum dwellers as tenents. I am not sure but, often if a tenent has leased a property for over 180 months, he can claim for rightful ownership of it(somebody please correct me if I am wrong). Also, it is usually very difficult for an owner to get an unscrouplous tenents to vacate his property. This happens even with decent family. So what seems like a discrimination is basically a practice based on hard solid ground.

I guess slum has to feature Indian urbanization progress until governmental macro readjustment and control find its way in urban housing,along with the improvement of the industrial structure. It's normal for real estate to become more expensive in most of the rising counties which will trend to class people drastically if governments fail to guide the realty business.

10 years ago in China, the government had encouraged the developers to build a lot of low cost houses which were affordable for the poor. but as time flowed by,the developers found that the rapidly rising property value is making things different: high class housing brings much more profits than what they used to gain from the governmental preferential policies upon low-cost housing. thus, now in Guangzhou, a policy got issued that developers must ensure no less than 30% of their residential construction are low cost housing.

I am in total agreement with what you say but, in the end it comes down to persuading people to move out. Usually due to high real estate prices, low cost housing is built is suburbs or out of the city & this is where things fail in India. The time when the slums started building in Bombay, the place was a suburb but as the city expanded these slums assimilated in the city & as on today, they stand on the hotest real estate in Bombay. And the irony is that these are illegal slums on government land. But, since they are trusted vote banks for the politicians the government cannot afford to annoy them even a little. So why would somebody want to spend money to move to another house out of the city when he has got one for free with in the city?

This is not convictive to me anyway. China has been implementing market economy since 1982. Actually these's nothing more than social stability in the Chinese government's concern, and housing is one of the biggest inducements to break the social stability if it's not in good care. upon which tightening up the legal system and sticking to market economy is the ultimate solution. Three months ago in Chongqing, a medium developed city in southwest China, there had been a remarkable fight between the real estate developer and a sticking householder who stood firmly with the property low, claiming RMB 6 million ($779,200) for removing from his old house which the developer bid only 2 million. and finally they achieved a deal of 3 million. Reuters says it's a victory of the Property low.

To be clear, in China if a developer wants your land, he has to negotiate with you,otherwise both can go to the courte where balance is usually inclined to disadvantaged groups.
If the government wants your land (that's always for public use), they firstly ask the land board and appointed bank to evaluate your house then offer you a current market price (base price), you can also ask other banks to evaluate your house. when both evaluations are converged and makes the final compensation. the government will set a period for you to move. but you can also go to the courte if not being satisfied. it's hackneyed to indict the local governments in China.

So, it is power of law, not of the government.

See I never meant to say that Chinese government is some kind of land grabbing honcho. But, because of their own secure future they can afford to put national development before personal development whereas, Indian politicians have to always worry about 5 years later & that forces them not to aggravte the very people who chose them in place.

I don't suppose Chinese government would compensate anybody illegally living on government land. But, this is what Indian government is doing. They are trying to buy their own property back from these extortionist slum dwellers. If you read the NGC article, you'll understand that these slums are not just housing people but several small scale industries operate in there providing livelihood to them. Therefore, it becomes an ardently difficult task for the government to persuade them to move forget about forcing them out of the way.
 
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I don't suppose Chinese government would compensate anybody illegally living on government land. But, this is what Indian government is doing.

well, in China, every inch of the land is state owned, or we say public land ownership. we buy a 70-year usufruct when going house purchasing. and it's illegal to build yourself a house on public land unless you've got your application approved and pay for the land usufruct (the sanctions basically depend on the governmen's plan of land utilization). But there're indeed many private building possessions left by history which the government has to redeem, in order to release the land for public use.

The rest in your post is very clear.

btw, I'm an NG fan.
 
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I wrote it wrong, it is /Day..... Even that is huge increase. I will edit it out. It is increasing. Here in Kerala we are having labours coming in truck loads from Orrisa and Northern India along with T.N, since the construction boom.

Kerala Local's charge : Rs.350/Day
Tamilians charge: Rs 250-275/Day
Northern's, oriya's: Rs. 200-250/Day

Wages of disparity
C. J. Punnathara

Kishen Ram, working with his team of carpenters working at a building site in Kochi, says: "There is an acute paucity of employment in my native village in Bikaner and job opportunities and wages at the construction sites across urban Rajasthan are highly erratic and incredibly low." The Kochi building site also has stonemasons and painters from Maharashtra and unskilled workers from Orissa, Uttar Pradesh and West Bengal.

It is a mini-India out there and they have all descended on Kerala leaving their home and hearth behind, seeking their El Dorado. They also constitute a part of Urban India of the 21st century, where minimum wages are often unheard of and is facetious and paltry even when the 1948 Act is enforced. While the urban middle-class India awaits the Union Budget from the Finance Minister, Mr P. Chidambaram, in high anticipation, what does it hold for the millions of unorganised workers of this vast land?

Employment statistics


The Labour Bureau of the Union Government provides statistics on various categories of employment by Union and State governments and detailed the minimum wage for each category. States such as Tamil Nadu specify 90 occupations where minimum wages have been declared. Surprisingly, even after 50 years of planned economic development, the minimum wages declared for the lowest category of work is Rs 22.50 a day by Karnataka, followed by Rs 26 in Tripura. From this meagre wages, an average family living in rural/urban India is supposed to eke out a living, paying for food, clothing, shelter, health and children's education. The national average for the lowest category of work, published in December 2002, is a dismal Rs 50.
In Arunachal Pradesh, 28 categories of employment have been identified and the maximum wage prescribed is just Rs 39.87, while the national average is not much better at Rs 84. Kerala offers the highest wage for select categories of work at Rs 319.60. Small wonder that Kishen and workers like him have been seeking their fortunes in the State, where militant trade unionism and vigilant governments have ensured that there is equal pay for equal work. And wages that are far above the minimum prescribed by various State governments. And even that, as Kishen says, which are seldom ever enforced.

Minimum wages


This is a far cry from what the tripartite committee report that formed the basis of the Minimum Wages Act of 1948 had in mind. Carrying forward these suggestions, the Indian Labour Conference of 1957 at Nainital recommended that minimum wages be fixed so as to support a family of three: Wages to provide 2,700 calories per average Indian adult, 72 yards of cloth per annum per family, rent conforming to the minimum area provided for under general industrial housing scheme; while fuel, lighting and other miscellaneous expenditure were supposed to constitute 20 per cent of the wages. Demands for children's education, medical requirements, minimum recreation and provision for old age were also touched upon.

What the Minimum Wages Act and successive Labour Conferences were not able to deliver over the past five decades, seems to have been rendered possible by the heightened mobility of labour across India.

Some economists argue that minimum wages should be left to market forces. Based on sound economic logic they argue that minimum wages should be region-specific, tailor-made to the pace of economic growth, social conditions, employment-potential and level of poverty prevailing in that geographic location. This in effect, they argue, would give lower-remuneration employment to the maximum number of people, rather than minimum wages employment to the minimum number of people.

Wage fixing


Even the Union Government was seen to be veering to this policy when it was promulgating the Employment Guarantee Act, which said "notwithstanding anything contained in the Minimum Wages Act 1948, the wage payable to those working under the EGA will be fixed at Rs 60." There was no explanation for why the wage is to be fixed at this rate.

But how far can such principles be applicable to deeply hierarchical societies such as India where equal pay for equal work has never been the norm. For centuries, the caste system had determined the job that a person is entitled to perform and the same caste and occupation were the primary determinants of remuneration. This formidable legacy does not make the Finance Minister's task any easier.

Global competition


There is another economic rationale that is compelling the economy to retain low minimum wages. Liberalisation and globalisation have thrown open the Indian economy to global competition. To survive, companies have to reduce the cost of production, increase productivity and generate higher returns for the consumer and the shareholder. The logic: foreign investments would flow into regions with the lowest cost of production. China is the classic example.

However, a study published in Development Bank Research Bulletin cites the burgeoning Special Economic Zones of Shenzhen and Guangzhon where the average wages are Yuan 4.66 per hour (Rs 26.7) and the "sweat-shops" outside the SEZ where the average wages are Yuan 4.02 per hour (Rs 23.1).

In contrast, the study points out that the average minimum wages in India are Rs 7.5-12.5 per hour. India has a long way to go to catch up with even the so-called "sweat-shops" of China. And these figures are for the organised working class population of modern India. Less said about the millions of workers in unorganised rural India, where the situation is invariably worse. www.blonnet.com
 
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