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Taliban should be destroyed and not promoted. There are many people inside Pakistan who supports Taliban. It's soft attack. You can't destroy with such a soft attack. May be things have changed a bit now. Still too far to destroy completely. On one side, You want Taliban to rule Afghanistan once U.S. leaves and on another side says " They Killing in Pakistan " How can both work ? If things are bad for Pakistan today means bad for Afghanistan too later.
i think its unclear for pakistanis abut good and dab taliban . problem is after billions of dollars and 1o years USA and NATO failed to control whole afghanistan so what we can expect from pakistan?
 
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i think its unclear for pakistanis abut good and dab taliban . problem is after billions of dollars and 1o years USA and NATO failed to control whole afghanistan so what we can expect from pakistan?

That is the Only Problem. GoP, ISI, People of Pakistan are not sure about this. Even on this forum, There are different views. Same goes with GoP. I Still remember sometime back, T-FAZ posted some extremely good opinion on Taliban. Guess what ? Many Pakistani people themselves opposed it. Many hates Taliban but still Radical element is everywhere that is the biggest problem for Pakistan.
 
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That is the Only Problem. GoP, ISI, People of Pakistan are not sure about this. Even on this forum, There are different views. Same goes with GoP. I Still remember sometime back, T-FAZ posted some extremely good opinion on Taliban. Guess what ? Many Pakistani people themselves opposed it. Many hates Taliban but still Radical element is everywhere that is the biggest problem for Pakistan.

There are two types of Taliban at this moment;

1. Afghan Taliban or Afghan freedom fighters or volunteer fighters who are struggling to free Afghanistan from foreign control and against external army presence, this is internal matter of Afghanistan and Pakistan has no concern with it.

2. TTP - joint covert tool for India-US-Afghanistan to do terrorist activities in Pakistan based generally in Afghanistan.

There is no need to reiterate that Pakistan ever will maintain strategic depth in Afghanistan.
US presence in Afghanistan and drone strikes directly effected in Pakistan and caused extreme hate.
Government should take action or draw policy considering people's concerns over US.

Mainly everybody is talking about radicalism but there is need to track back cause of radicalism which present in Afghanistan in shape of extremists camps and US bases.

GOP & ISI have clear assessment what is TTP & who stands behind it so views are views but you cant ignore reality and reality is clear.
 
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Why are Pakistani member saying that all their problems in terms of Taliban and security issues came from Afghanistan? Where do they think the Taliban got their training and support? Back in 1970s, before Pakistan got involved as proxy for US against USSR, Afghanistan was a prosperous place.
 
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Why are Pakistani member saying that all their problems in terms of Taliban and security issues came from Afghanistan? Where do they think the Taliban got their training and support? Back in 1970s, before Pakistan got involved as proxy for US against USSR, Afghanistan was a prosperous place.

Sir, This is what people often closed their eyes and don't want to think what, why and how only because of their conservatism or you can say monopolized support or thinking.

Now main question,
did it was done by Pakistan alone in late 80s, i mean training, support & finance?
Why Pakistan is blamed by US/NATO when they were equal partners in this plan?
Why at that moment they were all Mujahidin and now they are terrorists, militant?

Now when USSR went back then US/NATO very cleverly wash their hands and all mud put on Pakistan, now US is good, peaceful, liberal, humanist, anti terrorists and Pakistan is now bad, terrorists place, conservative, radical, why?

Why world couldn't blame US who financed, supported those Mujahidin (now terrorists)? Why they don't want to realize that they all put this burden on Pakistan which they created by help of not only Pakistan but Arabic countries where Arabic countries and NATO alliances totally sit back neat and clean when they know that they also responsible for all this mess? Why only Pakistan?

Now US came with his strategic plans in Afghanistan with help of their false flag 9/11 and now they turn guns toward Pakistan sitting in Afghanistan where they invited India (worst enemy of Pakistan) to participate in this anti-Pakistan game, they created TTP to counter Pakistan when Pakistan also hold its strategic aims in region. This is on the record that CIA drones refrained to attack TTP leaders or location provided by Pakistan intelligences but they were interested to attack on Haqqani or Mulla Umer network (as propaganda by US) in Waziristan.

They (CIA-RAW) are now boosting up anti-Pakistan propaganda in Afghanistan to turn Afghan people against Pakistan, more over terrorists training camp on Afghan-Tajik border by India, camps in Paktia and TTP are set only against Pakistan. They gave shelter to Fazallullah in Nuristan and now he usually attacked on Pakistan border check posts, where surprisingly NATO remove their border posts from Kunar, Nuristan & Nangarhar Afghan provinces along Pakistan border Why?

What a shame for Afghan leaders that they are playing these games against those country which provides more than 50% of products of their survival and hosting more than half of million refugees. Isn't pathetic?

So why we can't be right to saying that more than 80 % security problems we are facing from Afghanistan?

BTW prosperous Afghanistan was lost when KGB special armed wing attacked presidential house to remove president.


Here historical material i am quoting and it will clear you what i wrote above.

In 1978, a prominent member of the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA), Mir Akbar Khyber, was allegedly killed by the Daoud government. Leaders of the PDPA feared that Daoud was planning to dismantle them because many were being arrested. Hafizullah Amin along with other PDPA members managed to remain at large and organised an uprising. The PDPA, led by Nur Mohammad Taraki, Babrak Karmal and Hafizullah Amin, overthrew the regime of Mohammad Daoud, who was assassinated along with his family during the April 1978 Saur Revolution. Taraki was declared President, Prime Minister and General Secretary of the PDPA. Once in power, the PDPA implemented a socialist agenda. It moved to carry out an ill-conceived land reform, which was misunderstood by virtually all Afghans. They also imprisoned, tortured or murdered thousands of members of the traditional elite, the religious establishment, and the intelligentsia.They also prohibited usury[90] and made a number of statements on women's rights, by declaring equality of the sexes and introducing women to political life. Anahita Ratebzad was one of several female Marxist leaders and a member of the Revolutionary Council.

As part of its Cold War strategy, the White House in the United States began recruiting, financing and arming Mujahideen fighters during Operation Cyclone in 1979, which was aimed to defeat the Soviets. President Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, warned at the time that this might prompt a Soviet intervention (in an interview published in the 15-21 January 1998 issue of the French journal Le Nouvel Observateur, Brzezinski claimed that these measures were in fact specifically designed to provoke a Soviet military intervention . In March 1979, Hafizullah Amin took over as prime minister, retaining the position of field marshal and becoming vice-president of the Supreme Defence Council. Taraki remained President and in control of the army until September 14 when he was killed.
Soviet troops (in right row) withdrawing from Afghanistan in 1988. Afghan government BTR on the left.

To bolster the Parcham faction, the Soviet Union decided to intervene on December 24, 1979, when the Red Army invaded its southern neighbor. Over 100,000 Soviet troops took part in the invasion, which was backed by another one hundred thousand Afghan military men and supporters of the Parcham faction. In the meantime, Hafizullah Amin was killed and replaced by Babrak Karmal. In response to the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, the Reagan administration in the U.S. increased arming and funding of the Mujahideen who began a guerilla war thanks in large part to the efforts of Charlie Wilson and CIA officer Gust Avrakotos. Early reports estimated that $6–20 billion had been spent by the U.S. and Saudi Arabia but more recent reports state that the U.S. and Saudi Arabia provided as much as up to $40 billion in cash and weapons, which included over two thousand FIM-92 Stinger surface-to-air missiles, for building up Islamic groups against the Soviet Union. The U.S. handled most of its support through Pakistan's ISI. Saudi Arabia was also providing financial support. Leaders such as Ahmad Shah Massoud received only minor aid compared to Hekmatyar and some of the other parties, although Massoud was named the "Afghan who won the cold war" by the Wall Street Journal.
 
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Sir, This is what people often closed their eyes and don't want to think what, why and how only because of their conservatism or you can say monopolized support or thinking.

Now main question,
did it was done by Pakistan alone in late 80s, i mean training, support & finance?
Why Pakistan is blamed by US/NATO when they were equal partners in this plan?
Why at that moment they were all Mujahidin and now they are terrorists, militant?

Now when USSR went back then US/NATO very cleverly wash their hands and all mud put on Pakistan, now US is good, peaceful, liberal, humanist, anti terrorists and Pakistan is now bad, terrorists place, conservative, radical, why?

Why world couldn't blame US who financed, supported those Mujahidin (now terrorists)? Why they don't want to realize that they all put this burden on Pakistan which they created by help of not only Pakistan but Arabic countries where Arabic countries and NATO alliances totally sit back neat and clean when they know that they also responsible for all this mess? Why only Pakistan?

Now US came with his strategic plans in Afghanistan with help of their false flag 9/11 and now they turn guns toward Pakistan sitting in Afghanistan where they invited India (worst enemy of Pakistan) to participate in this anti-Pakistan game, they created TTP to counter Pakistan when Pakistan also hold its strategic aims in region. This is on the record that CIA drones refrained to attack TTP leaders or location provided by Pakistan intelligences but they were interested to attack on Haqqani or Mulla Umer network (as propaganda by US) in Waziristan.

They (CIA-RAW) are now boosting up anti-Pakistan propaganda in Afghanistan to turn Afghan people against Pakistan, more over terrorists training camp on Afghan-Tajik border by India, camps in Paktia and TTP are set only against Pakistan. They gave shelter to Fazallullah in Nuristan and now he usually attacked on Pakistan border check posts, where surprisingly NATO remove their border posts from Kunar, Nuristan & Nangarhar Afghan provinces along Pakistan border Why?

What a shame for Afghan leaders that they are playing these games against those country which provides more than 50% of products of their survival and hosting more than half of million refugees. Isn't pathetic?

So why we can't be right to saying that more than 80 % security problems we are facing from Afghanistan?

BTW prosperous Afghanistan was lost when KGB special armed wing attacked presidential house to remove president.


Here historical material i am quoting and it will clear you what i wrote above.

Point taken. But Pakistan should stop playing the victim. Pak is equally culpable.Pakistan wants a region based policy when it suits it like equal access to nuclear power generation but does not want to address India's security concerns.
 
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Now main question,
did it was done by Pakistan
alone in late 80s, i mean
training, support & finance?
Why Pakistan is blamed by
US/NATO when they were
equal partners in this plan?
Why at that moment they
were all Mujahidin and now
they are terrorists, militant?
Dear, Pakistan should act as a responsible country. You're saying that you supported all those Mujahideens because US asked you to do it. What if they ask you to jump in the well? Would you do that? You should have differentiated between what's right and what's wrong. US is a superpower and knows how to protect herself, but now its you who is trapped very badly. It was your choice and now you have to deal with it. It was your decision to support and finance them so now you can't blame anyone for this mess. As simple as that.
 
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Calling Islamabad "a conjoined twin", Afghan President Hamid Karzai has said that the Indian presence in his country is not aimed at "brother" Pakistan
But... now a days... Its brother who tries to ditch his brother..
 
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