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Indian posturing, post-Doklam, has a tragi-comic feel

By M.K. Bhadrakumar September 6, 2017 10:41 AM (UTC+8)

Why the standoff between India and China, near the Sikkim border, began at all, and how it ended, after 71 long and anxious days, on August 28, will likely never be fully known. The Indian foreign ministry maintains cryptically that “following diplomatic communications, expeditious disengagement of border personnel of India and China at the face-off site at Doklam,” took place last week.

New Delhi falls far short of making any claims about an agreement or understanding with Beijing regarding mutual withdrawal – leave alone about China stopping its road-building activities, which led to the standoff in the first instance.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry has been more forthcoming. It put on record that:
  • As a result of diplomatic representations and “effective countermeasures” at the military level, the Indian side “withdrew” all its personnel and equipment.
  • The Chinese personnel “onsite have verified” the fact of Indian withdrawal.
  • The Chinese troops “continue with their patrolling and stationing” in the Doklam area.
  • China will “adjust and deploy its military resources” in the area to meet the needs of guarding the border.
  • China has long been undertaking road-building in the area and will in future “make proper building plans in light of the actual situation,” taking into account weather conditions.
New Delhi hasn’t disagreed with China’s contentions. Instead, a series of unattributed, self-serving media leaks have appeared, portraying Indian officials as strong-willed men who stared the Chinese down. This is rather tragi-comic, given the geopolitical reality that the standoff is sure to be a watershed event in India-China relations and regional politics. The Chinese Defense Ministry warned New Delhi to learn its “lesson” from the standoff.

On balance, it appears that India won’t admit its unilateral withdrawal from Doklam, while the Chinese side is disinterested in triumphalism.

Clearly, with the brief summer season about to end in the region’s tangled mountains, India has managed to stall any road-building activity by China during this calendar year.


But the nagging question remains: What prompted India to unilaterally withdraw?
To quote a prominent China expert in New Delhi, “In the face of mounting Chinese psychological pressure on asymmetries, combined with coercive diplomacy and deployment of lethal equipment, the Indian announcement of ‘disengagement’ at Doklam comes as no surprise.”

There had been reports – backed by video and photographic evidence –of China moving trainloads of advanced HQ-16 and HQ-17 missiles and other military equipment to Tibet. China was reinforcing its layered air defense systems to counter Indian air power, hinting at serious preparations for a military offensive.

Equally, two other critical factors would have influenced Indian thinking. One, India’s economic growth slowed to around 5.7% between April and June, the slowest quarterly rate in the three years of the present government. A war with China would cripple the economy. Secondly, no country voiced support for India, let alone criticized China. The North Korean issue preoccupied both Washington and Tokyo.

India-China-standoff-580x314.jpg

Chinese and Indian patrols at the Doklam Plateau. Photo: AFP
In retrospect, China showed that on issues of territorial sovereignty, there is no question of a compromise. But something may also have changed fundamentally in its attitude toward India. Harsh things have been said, betraying displeasure and anger, and a breakdown in trust and confidence.

A bumpy road lies ahead. Simply put, India is unable to come to terms with China’s rise, and the latter senses that it must now be on guard. Conceivably, Chinese diplomacy in the South Asian region may shift to adversarial mode. With tacit Chinese support, countries such as Nepal, Sri Lanka or the Maldives may be in a better position to withstand India’s overbearing presence.

India’s future relations with Bhutan, the friend on whose behalf it stuck out its neck but which kept a Delphian silence, are almost certain to become more delicate. Prof. Taylor Fravel of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who is regarded as an authority on China’s borders, wrote last week that China might well revisit its road-building plans in the disputed territory with Bhutan. To quote Fravel,

“Before the standoff in June, China’s permanent presence in the area had been quite limited. China had maintained a road in the area for several decades, but did not garrison any forces. In contrast, India has maintained and developed a forward post at Doka La adjacent to Doklam… China may well seek to rectify this tactical imbalance of forces. In fact, the Chinese spokesperson suggested a move in this direction… If China does this, it would likely build facilities farther away from India’s position at Doka La, making it more challenging for India to intervene and block China next time… India may be faced with the uncomfortable choice of deciding whether to risk much more to deny China a greater presence farther inside Doklam or to accept it.”

The real lesson, therefore, that India should learn from the Doklam standoff is that it shouldn’t draw wrong conclusions. The BRICS Summit in Xiamen is not to be mistaken as a “kiss-and-make-up” moment.

Deep down, India has a choice to make and China is watching closely. Should the Modi government go further down the road of trespassing into China’s core interests in the South China Sea, raking up Tibet-related issues and identifying with the United States’ containment strategy against China?

Such a journey risks military confrontation with China. How far is India prepared to take that risk? The Modi government’s accent could have been on diplomacy in the crucial three-week period after the Chinese notified New Delhi, in late May, of their intention to commence road-building work at Doklam. But instead of activating its diplomatic levers, India resorted to force, confident in the knowledge that in that particular sector of the border it is strongly placed.


The dismal picture that has emerged over the past week is of the Indian officials responsible for that fateful decision counting trees and trying to convince domestic opinion that India “won” and China “lost”. The great danger is that their core constituency of ultra-nationalists will – to take the sports analogy further – now expect them to raise the bar.


M.K. Bhadrakumar
M.K. Bhadrakumar served as a career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service for over 29 years, with postings including India’s ambassador to Uzbekistan (1995-1998) and to Turkey (1998-2001). He writes the “Indian Punchline” blog and has written regularly for the Asia Times since 2001.

http://www.atimes.com/indian-posturing-post-doklam-tragi-comic-feel/
 
The dismal picture that has emerged over the past week is of the Indian officials responsible for that fateful decision counting trees and trying to convince domestic opinion that India “won” and China “lost”. The great danger is that their core constituency of ultra-nationalists will – to take the sports analogy further – now expect them to raise the bar.

http://www.atimes.com/indian-posturing-post-doklam-tragi-comic-feel/

“Before the standoff in June, China’s permanent presence in the area had been quite limited. China had maintained a road in the area for several decades, but did not garrison any forces. In contrast, India has maintained and developed a forward post at Doka La adjacent to Doklam… China may well seek to rectify this tactical imbalance of forces. In fact, the Chinese spokesperson suggested a move in this direction… If China does this, it would likely build facilities farther away from India’s position at Doka La, making it more challenging for India to intervene and block China next time… India may be faced with the uncomfortable choice of deciding whether to risk much more to deny China a greater presence farther inside Doklam or to accept it.”

India’s future relations with Bhutan, the friend on whose behalf it stuck out its neck but which kept a Delphian silence, are almost certain to become more delicate. Prof. Taylor Fravel of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who is regarded as an authority on China’s borders, wrote last week that China might well revisit its road-building plans in the disputed territory with Bhutan. To quote Fravel,
 
Mr Muthra Kumar is a commie who makes his living by writing anti-India articals for a price.
 
He already pointed out that China displayed signs of a disinterest in triumphalism(similarly to how the PLA treated indian POWS with dignity n humanity after their mass surrender in 1962) even after maintaining its troops in the plateau, while indian troops retreated. Yet indians can twist n spin factual circumstances into a delusional Indian 'victory'.

Theres a phrase in Mandarin called 死爱面子(die, die- want face) that can be used to describe indians- culturally. This is why indians often like to call out out the Chinese of having this trait, cos its a https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection on their own part. This is also the reason y indians often highlight the chinrse of engaging in propaganda, cos the former themselves are using it via their own lies-infested media.

The difference between chinese n indians is that the chinese faces the truth when need be via immense self-reflection/examination(自我检讨, 自我反省 ), cos it is a fundamental aspect of Confucianism.

Chinese children are brought up with this philosophy instilled into them by their parents not just in China, but by ethnic Chinese communities all over the world- including ASEAN like Singapore.

On the otherhand, Bharatiya culture teaches Indians to 'lie- until u die'.

Habitual lying simply will not get u anywhere.

By refraining from trumpeting their gains of the aftermath of this standoff, as can be seen in the contents of the offical restrained speech of the Chinese Foreign ministry Spokeswoman Hua Chunying. China has already given India alot of 'face'

So ya according to u, any realistic indians like him- 'must be a commie'(or 'fake' indian- whatever).
 
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There is an interesting article by an Indian writer who sees the reverence between the Doklam Incident and 1962 border war. Worth reading:


Diplomacy at Doklam Was an Afterthought When It Should Have Been the First Step

https://thewire.in/174149/doklam-diplomacy-india-china/

He already pointed out that China displayed signs of a disinterest in triumphalism(similarly to how the PLA treated indian POWS with dignity n humanity after their mass surrender in 1962) even after maintaining its troops in the plateau, while indian troops retreated. Yet indians can twist n spin factual circumstances into a delusional Indian 'victory'.

Theres a phrase in Mandarin called 死爱面子(die, die- want face) that can be used to describe indians- culturally. This is why indians often like to call out out the Chinese of having this trait, cos its a https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection on their own part.

The difference between chinese n indians is that the chinese faces the truth when need be via immense self-reflection/examination(自我检讨, 自我反省 ), cos it is a fundamental aspect of Confucianism.

Chinese children are brought up with this philosophy instilled into them by their parents not just in China, but by ethnic Chinese communities all over the world- including ASEAN like Singapore.

On the otherhand, Bharatiya culture teaches Indians to 'lie- until u die'.

Habitual lying simply will not get u anywhere.

By refraining from trumpeting their gains of the aftermath of this standoff, as can be seen in the contents of the offical restrained speech of the Chinese Foreign ministry Spokeswoman Hua Chunying. China has already given India alot of 'face'

So ya according to u, any realistic indians like him- 'must be a commie'(or 'fake' indian- whatever).



Self-deceiving, self-complacent, self-glorifying, an inferior complex that needs to be disguised as superiority.
 
There is an interesting article by an Indian writer who sees the reverence between the Doklam Incident and 1962 border war. Worth reading:


Diplomacy at Doklam Was an Afterthought When It Should Have Been the First Step

https://thewire.in/174149/doklam-diplomacy-india-china/





Self-deceiving, self-complacent, self-glorifying, an inferior complex that needs to be disguised as superiority.

I've just read through the whole article.

Self-deceiving, face-loving indians are gonna label the the author a 'fake indian'.
 
Indian posturing, post-Doklam, has a tragi-comic feel

By M.K. Bhadrakumar September 6, 2017 10:41 AM (UTC+8)

Why the standoff between India and China, near the Sikkim border, began at all, and how it ended, after 71 long and anxious days, on August 28, will likely never be fully known. The Indian foreign ministry maintains cryptically that “following diplomatic communications, expeditious disengagement of border personnel of India and China at the face-off site at Doklam,” took place last week.

New Delhi falls far short of making any claims about an agreement or understanding with Beijing regarding mutual withdrawal – leave alone about China stopping its road-building activities, which led to the standoff in the first instance.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry has been more forthcoming. It put on record that:
  • As a result of diplomatic representations and “effective countermeasures” at the military level, the Indian side “withdrew” all its personnel and equipment.
  • The Chinese personnel “onsite have verified” the fact of Indian withdrawal.
  • The Chinese troops “continue with their patrolling and stationing” in the Doklam area.
  • China will “adjust and deploy its military resources” in the area to meet the needs of guarding the border.
  • China has long been undertaking road-building in the area and will in future “make proper building plans in light of the actual situation,” taking into account weather conditions.
New Delhi hasn’t disagreed with China’s contentions. Instead, a series of unattributed, self-serving media leaks have appeared, portraying Indian officials as strong-willed men who stared the Chinese down. This is rather tragi-comic, given the geopolitical reality that the standoff is sure to be a watershed event in India-China relations and regional politics. The Chinese Defense Ministry warned New Delhi to learn its “lesson” from the standoff.

On balance, it appears that India won’t admit its unilateral withdrawal from Doklam, while the Chinese side is disinterested in triumphalism.

Clearly, with the brief summer season about to end in the region’s tangled mountains, India has managed to stall any road-building activity by China during this calendar year.


But the nagging question remains: What prompted India to unilaterally withdraw?
To quote a prominent China expert in New Delhi, “In the face of mounting Chinese psychological pressure on asymmetries, combined with coercive diplomacy and deployment of lethal equipment, the Indian announcement of ‘disengagement’ at Doklam comes as no surprise.”

There had been reports – backed by video and photographic evidence –of China moving trainloads of advanced HQ-16 and HQ-17 missiles and other military equipment to Tibet. China was reinforcing its layered air defense systems to counter Indian air power, hinting at serious preparations for a military offensive.

Equally, two other critical factors would have influenced Indian thinking. One, India’s economic growth slowed to around 5.7% between April and June, the slowest quarterly rate in the three years of the present government. A war with China would cripple the economy. Secondly, no country voiced support for India, let alone criticized China. The North Korean issue preoccupied both Washington and Tokyo.

India-China-standoff-580x314.jpg

Chinese and Indian patrols at the Doklam Plateau. Photo: AFP
In retrospect, China showed that on issues of territorial sovereignty, there is no question of a compromise. But something may also have changed fundamentally in its attitude toward India. Harsh things have been said, betraying displeasure and anger, and a breakdown in trust and confidence.

A bumpy road lies ahead. Simply put, India is unable to come to terms with China’s rise, and the latter senses that it must now be on guard. Conceivably, Chinese diplomacy in the South Asian region may shift to adversarial mode. With tacit Chinese support, countries such as Nepal, Sri Lanka or the Maldives may be in a better position to withstand India’s overbearing presence.

India’s future relations with Bhutan, the friend on whose behalf it stuck out its neck but which kept a Delphian silence, are almost certain to become more delicate. Prof. Taylor Fravel of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who is regarded as an authority on China’s borders, wrote last week that China might well revisit its road-building plans in the disputed territory with Bhutan. To quote Fravel,

“Before the standoff in June, China’s permanent presence in the area had been quite limited. China had maintained a road in the area for several decades, but did not garrison any forces. In contrast, India has maintained and developed a forward post at Doka La adjacent to Doklam… China may well seek to rectify this tactical imbalance of forces. In fact, the Chinese spokesperson suggested a move in this direction… If China does this, it would likely build facilities farther away from India’s position at Doka La, making it more challenging for India to intervene and block China next time… India may be faced with the uncomfortable choice of deciding whether to risk much more to deny China a greater presence farther inside Doklam or to accept it.”

The real lesson, therefore, that India should learn from the Doklam standoff is that it shouldn’t draw wrong conclusions. The BRICS Summit in Xiamen is not to be mistaken as a “kiss-and-make-up” moment.

Deep down, India has a choice to make and China is watching closely. Should the Modi government go further down the road of trespassing into China’s core interests in the South China Sea, raking up Tibet-related issues and identifying with the United States’ containment strategy against China?

Such a journey risks military confrontation with China. How far is India prepared to take that risk? The Modi government’s accent could have been on diplomacy in the crucial three-week period after the Chinese notified New Delhi, in late May, of their intention to commence road-building work at Doklam. But instead of activating its diplomatic levers, India resorted to force, confident in the knowledge that in that particular sector of the border it is strongly placed.


The dismal picture that has emerged over the past week is of the Indian officials responsible for that fateful decision counting trees and trying to convince domestic opinion that India “won” and China “lost”. The great danger is that their core constituency of ultra-nationalists will – to take the sports analogy further – now expect them to raise the bar.


M.K. Bhadrakumar
M.K. Bhadrakumar served as a career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service for over 29 years, with postings including India’s ambassador to Uzbekistan (1995-1998) and to Turkey (1998-2001). He writes the “Indian Punchline” blog and has written regularly for the Asia Times since 2001.

http://www.atimes.com/indian-posturing-post-doklam-tragi-comic-feel/



This low life razakar found another idiot who is just a Modi-basher.

His google search starts, "Modi hate" , "India problem", "razakar" etc etc.....

Suppressing religious freedoms: Chinese imams forced to dance in Xinjiang region

https://tribune.com.pk/story/871879...ese-imams-forced-to-dance-in-xinjiang-region/


871879-chineseimams-1429337711-412-640x480.jpg


Like it or not, as you want so much to become a Chinese slave, you have to do this as well. :D


And your master China has been badly hit by India in Doklam and how much you try to defend your master will not going to change. Their road dream has perished.
 
This low life razakar found another idiot who is just a Modi-basher.

His google search starts, "Modi hate" , "India problem", "razakar" etc etc.....

Suppressing religious freedoms: Chinese imams forced to dance in Xinjiang region

https://tribune.com.pk/story/871879...ese-imams-forced-to-dance-in-xinjiang-region/


871879-chineseimams-1429337711-412-640x480.jpg


Like it or not, as you want so much to become a Chinese slave, you have to do this as well. :D


And your master China has been badly hit by India in Doklam and how much you try to defend your master will not going to change. Their road dream has perished.
How come you know they were forced from this photo? and how come some of them clearly have long beard since western reports say that beards are banned in China?
 
It's very simple. India entered Chinese territory claiming it was Bhutan territory they intended to defend. After a$$ kicking at Ladakh and appearance of heavy armor in Doklam for war, Indian Army unilaterally retreated. PLA witnessed the IA retreat and recaptured the territory. China also publicly declared the IA retreat was unilateral and no concession was offered to India.

After India's unilateral retreat, the Indian media fabricated claims about Chinese concessions to cover up failed military adventure. The Western media run by Murdock also manufactured stories about India staring down China with its shupa powa.

The end result is China is back building the Doklam road after BRICS summit. Nothing IA can do after PLA militarized and fortified Doklam completely. So IA chief declared that IA will look for opportunities to confront China again elsewhere.
 
Lol chinese 50 c army circle jerking over the pathetic piece of article by a known modi hater. Keep it up. Now where is it damn road.
 
Lol chinese 50 c army circle jerking over the pathetic piece of article by a known modi hater. Keep it up. Now where is it damn road.
LOL at Indian humiliation from unilateral retreat. Now that you retreated from Bhutan's land and gave it to China, we already fortified and militarized it, as declared officially. The road is being built on our newly annexed land as we wish. Thanks to India for allowing us to annex Bhutan's land after unilateral retreat.
 
Lol chinese 50 c army circle jerking over the pathetic piece of article by a known modi hater. Keep it up. Now where is it damn road.
Yo ans 1 simple question:

Bearing in mind that the indian army have retreated while the PLA remains garrisoned on the plateau- how are indian soldiers going to stop the road construction when the chinese resumes their work?

Hint: U have to get past the bouncers first b4 entering the nightclub.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
 
I've just read through the whole article.

Self-deceiving, face-loving indians are gonna label the the author a 'fake indian'.

Most of these people don't have the skill of critical thinking, and they will take any propaganda that fits their mentality as only "truth", and attack anyone who think differently. An religious dictatorship disguised as a "democracy".
 
Yo ans 1 simple question:

Bearing in mind that the indian army have retreated while the PLA remains garrisoned on the plateau- how are indian soldiers going to stop the road construction when the chinese resumes their work?

Hint: U have to get past the bouncers first b4 entering the nightclub.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
Then resume the work ... What are u waiting for ! The pair to grow !!

LOL at Indian humiliation from unilateral retreat. Now that you retreated from Bhutan's land and gave it to China, we already fortified and militarized it, as declared officially. The road is being built on our newly annexed land as we wish. Thanks to India for allowing us to annex Bhutan's land after unilateral retreat.
Grow a pair before annexing bhutan !
 
Lol chinese 50 c army circle jerking over the pathetic piece of article by a known modi hater. Keep it up. Now where is it damn road.

Then resume the work ... What are u waiting for ! The pair to grow !!


Grow a pair before annexing bhutan !

Thx i take it u r dumbfounded


Btw, your statements are insinuating that work is still stalled post-standoff.

So my question is how do u know whether the road's work has resumed or not- it could even be ongoing so as we speak

Hahahahahahaha.
 
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