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[IndoCarib]

Really? Over the last two weeks on snoopgate, they've let the BJP corner itself so hard, they won't be able to come out without throwing Modi off altogether. Congress is trying to close in on every direction on Modi. And they're playing the strongest hands they've got. When modi falls don't shed a tear, his rise was because of the same kinds of politics that's gonna be his undoing. If you are out to swim with the sharks, you should be aware that being eaten by them could be one of the consequences.

the 'defence' is stupid

Even more stupid than Kapil Sibal's 2G scam loss ?

2G scam: Kapil Sibal explains 'zero loss' comment Video: NDTV.com

 

[JanjaWeed]

Hoping against hope! Congressis have gone doolally

 

[[Bregs]]

Alas elections are not won by branding other members as congress supporters, more so over the internet

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Even more stupid than Kapil Sibal's 2G scam loss ?

2G scam: Kapil Sibal explains 'zero loss' comment Video: NDTV.com

Put up something that's gonna have an impact on the elections.

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

This witch hunt is going to back fire on Congress.

Ishrat jahan was IM recruit :Yasin bhatkal

Not only Yaseen Bhatkal but David Headley too!!!

Ishrat Jahan was an LeT fidayeen: Headley - Times Of India

 

[notsuperstitious]

They are setting a bad precedent though. Imagine is someone like Modi comes to power, and decides to use the CBI to hunt the congressis, that will be the end of Congress leadership I reckon.

Thats exactly what im saying. They are destroying the sanctity of the system for power. Even if modi comes to power and makes them pay in blood (and u know I would love that sight), india still loses. Typical congressi politics. India last.

 

[[Bregs]]

With the entry of Narendra Modi in the electoral fray as the BJP’s prime ministerial candidate, it is becoming clearer by the day that Muslims are going to be the biggest elephant in the room in the run-up to what, many believe, might turn out to be one of the most communally polarised electionsin independent India.


The Muzaffarnagar riots have already set a chilling tone for where it is all going. Union minister Jairam Ramesh, squarely blaming the BJP, has described the riots as a “trailer” for “more communal tensions and flare-ups” ahead. The BJP’s Uma Bharti has also warned of “more tension” but accused the Congress and the Samajwadi Party (SP) of provoking it. The SP, in turn, says that it is the Congress and the BJP which are trying to stir up trouble to woo Muslim voters.

So, there you are: a phoney competition among major political players to show that the ‘other’ is more communal is in full swing even before a proper campaign has begun. Modi’s entry has handed a flailing Congress the ammunition it desperately needed to turn it into a secularism-versus-communalism contest by casting itself as a champion of Muslims and the BJP as a threat.

It is a territory on which the Congress feels at home despite having lost its credibility as a secular force. Besides, hobbled by a poor record of governance and lack of charismatic leadership, it has nothing else to crow about.

Giving ample indication of his party’s election strategy, Ramesh said, “2014 is the first election, the Congress is fighting directly with the RSS, with Modi as its mukhauta (mask) and Modi’s mukhauta is development. It’s a double mukhauta. So this election is not the Congress versus the BJP but the Congress versus the RSS.”

The BJP, quick on the uptake, has launched an aggressive line of attack that includes demanding a closer scrutiny of the Congress’ record on treating minorities. In every television discussion, its spokespersons have taken to haranguing the party’s critics wanting to know why is it that the Congress is not subjected to the same level of scrutiny as the BJP. Why is it, they ask, that the Congress’ role in the 1984 anti-Sikh violence is ‘ignored’ while there is an ‘obsession’ with Modi’s alleged involvement in the 2002 anti- Muslim riots in Gujarat? It is an important question as to why the Congress is credited with secular image despite its poor record, and it must be answered.

For, leave alone the BJP, there are many disillusioned Congress supporters who are asking the same question and, in their anger, prepared to throw out the baby (secularism) with the bathwater (Congress). Let me make it clear that I am not a fan of the Congress. As a British citizen I have no stake in Indian elections except that I don’t wish to see the country of my birth overrun by forces whose vision of India is very different from the one on which its constitutional foundations were laid.

Swapan Dasgupta, one of the few intellectually coherent BJP voices, argues that in a democracy there can be more than one idea of India…so, why must we keep harping only on the so-called Nehruvian idea of India. He is right, but therein lies the rub: which idea suits better the temper and demands of a society as complex and diverse as India?

Millions of Indian Muslims chose not to migrate to their supposed ‘homeland’ (Pakistan) in 1947 because they rejected the notion of nationhood based on religion and wished to live in a country where nationalism was not going to be measured in terms of their religious identity. The idea of India sold to them and which they happily embraced was this: their Indianness would not be questioned because they happened to be Muslims, had emotional links with their Pakistani relations, or some of them foolishly rooted for the Pakistani cricket team. They would not be called ‘Babar ki aulad’; and their places of worship would not be forcibly demolished in the name of ‘righting’ historical wrongs.

To call it a Nehruvian vision alone is misleading though typically Nehruwallahs have sought to appropriate it with a little help from left wing academics. It was as much an idea of Nehru as it was of Maulana Azad, of Sardar Patel and of BR Ambedkar. It was a collective idea of an inclusive India — and most importantly it resonated with the overwhelming majority of Indians.

And here comes the Congress bit. Both a product and an agent of an inclusive nationalism, it became a vehicle for articulating and putting into practice this particular vision of India. And in theory that remains its core ethos.

At the time the Congress was preaching unity in diversity, the BJP’s parent organisation — the RSS and the Hindu Mahasabha — was talking about Hindu Rashtra, cow slaughter, and about Hindu supremacy. Since then it has had many face-lifts (Jana Sangh transformed into softer-sounding BJP, Hindu Rashtra into all-new, wrinkle-free Hindutva) but the core RSS idea of India as a land of Hindus remains deeply embedded. The choice of Modi who defines himself as a Hindu nationalist first and an Indian later confirms this.

The suggestion that Modi’s development agenda offers an alternative idea of India is a red-herring. The RSS’ full-throated backing for him at the expense of its once-most favoured son, LK Advani, shows that it is all about protecting its core agenda. It believes that in old age Advani (written off as ‘history’ by Dasgupta) has become too soft to be trusted.

I am not suggesting any anti-Muslim conspiracy but it will be like the Muslim Brotherhood — spreading slow-poisoning through winks and nudges. My advice to the invisible Muslim elephant in the room: vote for Modi by all means if you wish, but have no illusions about his idea of India.


Have no illusions about Modi's idea of India - Hindustan Times

 

[Manvantaratruti]

Thats exactly what im saying. They are destroying the sanctity of the system for power. Even if modi comes to power and makes them pay in blood (and u know I would love that sight), india still loses. Typical congressi politics. India last.

No. If Modi makes the corrupt congress pay in blood, India WINS.

Indians are still not used to the concept of criminal congressmen going to jail and getting hanged for their sins. Its about time that changed. The 'system' defended the corrupt politicians and bureaucrats. The system is already broken.

People need to feel reassured that politicians who loot the nation and destroy lives deserve their time in hell. Lallu is only the 1st. Hopefully he wont be the last.

 

[Manvantaratruti]

As a British citizen I have no stake in Indian elections except that I don’t wish to see the country of my birth overrun by forces whose vision of India is very different from the one on which its constitutional foundations were laid.

And what is the name of this British Citizen ? Hasan Suroor.

Let all the Hasans and Hamids of the world know that the vision of India will be directed by the People of India and if they see a different vision, then that is how it will be. and BTW a Hindu Nationalist is always First and last a Indian National.

He needs to worry more about Anti Muslim feelings in Britain His country of choice.

 

[Fireurimagination]

If it's about communalism Kangress is 10x more communal than the BJP

 

[KRAIT]

I like BJP supporters...it takes so little to set them off.

And I like Congress supporter, they ignore everything wrong done by Congress in past 10 years rule but jump on one issue.

 

[notsuperstitious]

And I like Congress supporter, they ignore everything wrong done by Congress in past 10 years rule but jump on one issue.

Its shocking, despite the horrible misrule, corruption, weakening the PMs office for years to come by putting a dummy there, double speak on national security (and mind you not just BJP supporters, analysts and observers world over have said the same) congress supporters are hoping to stick to power by making this about modi and disgruntled vulnerable civil servants.

They have not a word to offer on the real issues, or the qualifications of rahulbaba! So much intellectual dishonesty is disappointing (unless these supporters here are interested parties with swiss accounts).

 

[IndoCarib]

Congress having illusions of UPA3.

In the meantime Foreign brokerages are betting on Modi.

Market rally: Foreign brokerages raise their pitch on Modi’s election win

Market rally: Foreign brokerages raise their pitch on Modi's election win | Firstpost

Is this illusion Mr. Hasan Suroor ?

 

[JanjaWeed]

And I like Congress supporter, they ignore everything wrong done by Congress in past 10 years rule but jump on one issue.

It's a typical Congressi way. When you are intellectually bankrupt to fight Modi on real agenda & real issues, you resort this sort of sleazy innuendos. With the help of paid media they are hoping against hope that this will sway public opinion away from Modi. But in reality this will adversely impact Modi baiters!

 

[dabomb]

With the entry of Narendra Modi in the electoral fray as the BJP’s prime ministerial candidate, it is becoming clearer by the day that Muslims are going to be the biggest elephant in the room in the run-up to what, many believe, might turn out to be one of the most communally polarised electionsin independent India.


The Muzaffarnagar riots have already set a chilling tone for where it is all going. Union minister Jairam Ramesh, squarely blaming the BJP, has described the riots as a “trailer” for “more communal tensions and flare-ups” ahead. The BJP’s Uma Bharti has also warned of “more tension” but accused the Congress and the Samajwadi Party (SP) of provoking it. The SP, in turn, says that it is the Congress and the BJP which are trying to stir up trouble to woo Muslim voters.

So, there you are: a phoney competition among major political players to show that the ‘other’ is more communal is in full swing even before a proper campaign has begun. Modi’s entry has handed a flailing Congress the ammunition it desperately needed to turn it into a secularism-versus-communalism contest by casting itself as a champion of Muslims and the BJP as a threat.

It is a territory on which the Congress feels at home despite having lost its credibility as a secular force. Besides, hobbled by a poor record of governance and lack of charismatic leadership, it has nothing else to crow about.

Giving ample indication of his party’s election strategy, Ramesh said, “2014 is the first election, the Congress is fighting directly with the RSS, with Modi as its mukhauta (mask) and Modi’s mukhauta is development. It’s a double mukhauta. So this election is not the Congress versus the BJP but the Congress versus the RSS.”

The BJP, quick on the uptake, has launched an aggressive line of attack that includes demanding a closer scrutiny of the Congress’ record on treating minorities. In every television discussion, its spokespersons have taken to haranguing the party’s critics wanting to know why is it that the Congress is not subjected to the same level of scrutiny as the BJP. Why is it, they ask, that the Congress’ role in the 1984 anti-Sikh violence is ‘ignored’ while there is an ‘obsession’ with Modi’s alleged involvement in the 2002 anti- Muslim riots in Gujarat? It is an important question as to why the Congress is credited with secular image despite its poor record, and it must be answered.

For, leave alone the BJP, there are many disillusioned Congress supporters who are asking the same question and, in their anger, prepared to throw out the baby (secularism) with the bathwater (Congress). Let me make it clear that I am not a fan of the Congress. As a British citizen I have no stake in Indian elections except that I don’t wish to see the country of my birth overrun by forces whose vision of India is very different from the one on which its constitutional foundations were laid.

Swapan Dasgupta, one of the few intellectually coherent BJP voices, argues that in a democracy there can be more than one idea of India…so, why must we keep harping only on the so-called Nehruvian idea of India. He is right, but therein lies the rub: which idea suits better the temper and demands of a society as complex and diverse as India?

Millions of Indian Muslims chose not to migrate to their supposed ‘homeland’ (Pakistan) in 1947 because they rejected the notion of nationhood based on religion and wished to live in a country where nationalism was not going to be measured in terms of their religious identity. The idea of India sold to them and which they happily embraced was this: their Indianness would not be questioned because they happened to be Muslims, had emotional links with their Pakistani relations, or some of them foolishly rooted for the Pakistani cricket team. They would not be called ‘Babar ki aulad’; and their places of worship would not be forcibly demolished in the name of ‘righting’ historical wrongs.

To call it a Nehruvian vision alone is misleading though typically Nehruwallahs have sought to appropriate it with a little help from left wing academics. It was as much an idea of Nehru as it was of Maulana Azad, of Sardar Patel and of BR Ambedkar. It was a collective idea of an inclusive India — and most importantly it resonated with the overwhelming majority of Indians.

And here comes the Congress bit. Both a product and an agent of an inclusive nationalism, it became a vehicle for articulating and putting into practice this particular vision of India. And in theory that remains its core ethos.

At the time the Congress was preaching unity in diversity, the BJP’s parent organisation — the RSS and the Hindu Mahasabha — was talking about Hindu Rashtra, cow slaughter, and about Hindu supremacy. Since then it has had many face-lifts (Jana Sangh transformed into softer-sounding BJP, Hindu Rashtra into all-new, wrinkle-free Hindutva) but the core RSS idea of India as a land of Hindus remains deeply embedded. The choice of Modi who defines himself as a Hindu nationalist first and an Indian later confirms this.

The suggestion that Modi’s development agenda offers an alternative idea of India is a red-herring. The RSS’ full-throated backing for him at the expense of its once-most favoured son, LK Advani, shows that it is all about protecting its core agenda. It believes that in old age Advani (written off as ‘history’ by Dasgupta) has become too soft to be trusted.

I am not suggesting any anti-Muslim conspiracy but it will be like the Muslim Brotherhood — spreading slow-poisoning through winks and nudges. My advice to the invisible Muslim elephant in the room: vote for Modi by all means if you wish, but have no illusions about his idea of India.


Have no illusions about Modi's idea of India - Hindustan Times

Written by some Muslim called Hassan Surror

Dear Hassan/Ali/Mohammed/Ayesha's criticizing Modi, we Hindus have a different vision of India from you guys. Clearly you missed the 1947 train to Pakistan, but it is not too late to book a ticket even now. And please refrain next time from writing trash about Hindu and Hindu leaders like Modi/RSS/BJP.

Thank you, and I sincerely hope you catch the train this time you missed in 47.