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[AfrazulMandal]

IMHO, Dalit and OBC resistance do the best job in this case and likes of Owaisi works to break it through Hindu consolidation.

I don't agree THIS solution works in the long run.

It is tactically useful for the short term, but when it comes to riots, OBC, Dalit etc barriers are removed. Owaisi has showed the society for what it truly is.

On the point of non performance - you are right.

Why don't you stand for the position? This is a serious statement. You are educated, have the best interests in mind for our community, have a positive outlook and know the nature of Nazis.

Muslims failed to catchup to other communities

This may be a wrong assumption.

I believe Hindus fare worse in the overall scheme of things. It is a liberal fallacy to consider Muslims as backward as several social indicators show Hindus to be so. Take infant mortality for instance, or open defecation.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

After all these years of voting Owaisi, Hyderabadi Muslims got this :-

https://twitter.com/x/status/1254801994843222016

He's just one more corrupt politician playing politics with people's emotion.

Owaisi is best for Hyderabad

Hindutva goons wouldn't had spared Hyderabadi Muslims if not for Owaisi. Owaisi has made Muslims lions. I don't think Hindu8tva goons can start Dehli pogrom like in Hyderabad

 

[Naofumi]

I don't agree THIS solution works in the long run.

But this is the only solution that can work in the long term. Otherwise, Hindu consolidation is unbeatable.

It is tactically useful for the short term, but when it comes to riots, OBC, Dalit etc barriers are removed. Owaisi has showed the society for what it truly is.

Riots are a very small part of the larger exclusion of Muslims and moreover riots are used to polarise and consolidate OBC-Dalit votes, so it's a cycle.

Why don't you stand for the position? This is a serious statement. You are educated, have the best interests in mind for our community, have a positive outlook and know the nature of Nazis.

I am 20 and naïve, have other dreams about my career but thanks anyways .

Take infant mortality for instance, or open defecation.

These two are the direct result of skewed Urban-rural ratio, even if we focus on that Muslims are the second worst community, not an achievement. But wait a minute, what about literacy rates (lower than SC), average school years (nearly equal to ST) and representation in educational, economic, armed forces and other institutions?

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Delhi Muslims are much better than this, they never voted for a "Muslim" politician, then why? Because Owaisi is communal and communalism is antithetical to development.

Dehli's Hindus voted for BJP in 2019 while all Dehli Muslim votes went in drain

 

[Naofumi]

Hindutva goons wouldn't had spared Hyderabadi Muslims if not for Owaisi. Owaisi has made Muslims lions. I don't think Hindu8tva goons can start Dehli pogrom like in Hyderabad

Nope. That's not the perspective to look at things. Muslims form a concentrated majority there, that's the first reason Owaisi wins, it's an Apple vs Oranges comparison.

Dehli's Hindus voted for BJP in 2019 while all Muslim votes went in drain

You've missed my other post - Hindu consolidation is only strictly present on national level and AAP won in state elections because of non-UC Hindu + Muslims voting for AAP, we need to recreate this in LS elections.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

we need to recreate this in LS elections.

You can't. Ppl who voted BJP in national voted AAP in state

 

[Naofumi]

On a lighter note, found this hilarious take

https://twitter.com/x/status/1260261878103564293

You can't. Ppl who voted BJP in national voted AAP in state

We can work on it, Pulwama and other things were factors in Hindu consolidation of 2019.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

But this is the only solution that can work in the long term. Otherwise, Hindu consolidation is unbeatable.

Riots are a very small part of the larger exclusion of Muslims and moreover riots are used to polarise and consolidate OBC-Dalit votes, so it's a cycle.

I am 20 and naïve, have other dreams about my career but thanks anyways .

These two are the direct result of skewed Urban-rural ratio, even if we focus on that Muslims are the second worst community, not an achievement. But wait a minute, what about literacy rates (lower than SC), average school years (nearly equal to ST) and representation in educational, economic, armed forces and other institutions?

Okay. You may have a point there.

But still, MIM is very strong in Hyd. Congress is weak. Local parties are there and there is of course the elephant in the room.

present on national level and AAP won in state elections because of non-UC Hindu + Muslims voting for AAP, we need to recreate this in LS elections.

I think this no longer holds true.

You are expecting non Muslims to care for Muslims and vote for non BJP parties.

Not gonna happen. "Hindu upper caste only voting for BJP" no longer holds true. The electorate votes like this -

Muslim problem > Economic benefit > Social Benefit > Local Benefit

When it comes to Muslims, the caste divisions do not matter. Hence, on national issues (Lok Sabha for instance) or even local issues with a national significance - BJP will win, unless the electorate is Muslim majority.

Heck, even Christians unite in Kerala to keep the Muslim league away.

Your primary point is correct though. Owaisi has not made the best use of his mandate so far.

 

[Naofumi]

The electorate votes like this -

Muslim problem > Economic benefit > Social Benefit > Local Benefit

When it comes to Muslims, the caste divisions do not matter. Hence, on national issues (Lok Sabha for instance) or even local issues with a national significance - BJP will win, unless the electorate is Muslim majority.

That's the Hindu consolidation, it's new and not necessarily permanent. There are enough regional and caste based fault lines to be utilised, it's upon us to make it work.

Heck, even Christians unite in Kerala to keep the Muslim league away.

But they will never vote for BJP anyways.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

That's the Hindu consolidation, it's new and not necessarily permanent.

Yes, hope so. Hindu unity should be prevented.

I don't see things changing though... But that's just me.

 

[xeuss]

Why don't you stand for the position? This is a serious statement. You are educated, have the best interests in mind for our community, have a positive outlook and know the nature of Nazis.

Once it leaks that he is a member of PDF, his political career is finished before it even started...lol

Not gonna happen. "Hindu upper caste only voting for BJP" no longer holds true. The electorate votes like this -

Muslim problem > Economic benefit > Social Benefit > Local Benefit
.

There is not one reason that can explain this, but several reasons, some of them intertwined and some of them exclusive.

Bottom line is Modi cannot be defeated, because the Hindu mind has been hacked to the extent that they have disassociated any failure from him and that they vote for him to "teach the Muslims a lesson".

The BJP on the other hand, can be defeated by a variety of caste/social/economic equations.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

The BJP on the other hand, can be defeated by a variety of caste/social/economic equations.

Yes.

But first, Hindu unity needs to be prevented.

The current political scene at least at the national level does not inspire confidence.

 

[xeuss]

Yes.

But first, Hindu unity needs to be prevented.

The current political scene at least at the national level does not inspire confidence.

I am not sure if you are missing this point. There is no Hindu unity. On the other hand, Hindus are united in their hatred of Muslims. If you remove the Muslims, Hindu unity will no longer exist.

My personal opinion is that this won't end until a lot of Muslim blood has been shed, regardless of who is in power. You just can't remove hate from people's hearts. There has to be a revulsion from within, and sadly, that revulsion comes only when blood has been shed (Nazis/Serbia/Rwanda)

 

[Soumitra]

Bottom line is Modi cannot be defeated, because the Hindu mind has been hacked to the extent that they have disassociated any failure from him and that they vote for him to "teach the Muslims a lesson".

The BJP on the other hand, can be defeated by a variety of caste/social/economic equations.

In UP 2019 lok Sabha elections SP, BSP, Congress with their caste combinations could not beat BJP.

 

[xeuss]

In UP 2019 lok Sabha elections SP, BSP, Congress with their caste combinations could not beat BJP.

Because they were voting for Modi. Heck even if a monkey was standing he would get elected on a BJP ticket.