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[salimpheku]

Amit Shah made Ahmed Patel and Congress run from pillar to post all night before finally scraping through in the RS polls

The bozos are thinking it's a victory for them.

Little do they understand the fact that Shah stripped these guys naked in front of the whole world.
Oh I would love Congress to explain why their MLA's were enjoying in 5 star hotel in Karnataka when Gujarat was reeling under floods.

Shah did a 'kahi pe nigahe, kahi be nishaana' with Congress & they fell for it hook, line & sinker

 

[Bibo]

The bozos are thinking it's a victory for them.

Little do they understand the fact that Shah stripped these guys naked in front of the whole world.
Oh I would love Congress to explain why their MLA's were enjoying in 5 star hotel in Karnataka when Gujarat was reeling under floods.

Shah did a 'kahi pe nigahe, kahi be nishaana' with Congress & they fell for it hook, line & sinker

Oh god ..... that is just pathetic. Stop being in DENIAL all the time.

This IS a victory for the CONgress and Eggs on face of "master strategist" Amit Shah, and in my view, it serves him right.

Amit Shah held Dr. Subramanian Swamy in contempt and the BJP left him alone to battle Sonia & Rahul gandhi in the Herald case. They abandoned him when he was fighting corruption in the court against Chidambaram.

His petty ego prevented him from using the abilities of this man to cut down the CONgress high command to size.

And what is the end result ?

The same High command and Chiddu came together to destroy Amit Shah's ego and snatched away victory from the jaws of defeat by a technicality.


Today Shah's reputation has been AGAIN dented and the CONgress reputation for pulling a win out of their hat has been strengthened.

BJP and CONgress both choose to make this a battle of prestige and the BJP LOST its prestige.


This story clearly demonstrates why Amit Shah is not PM material. He is a victim of his own hubris. Much like some of the BJP supporters in pdf.

All BJP can now say is tomorrow is another day.

 

[salimpheku]

Oh god ..... that is just pathetic. Stop being in DENIAL all the time.

This IS a victory for the CONgress and Eggs on face of "master strategist" Amit Shah, and in my view, it serves him right.

Amit Shah held Dr. Subramanian Swamy in contempt and the BJP left him alone to battle Sonia & Rahul gandhi in the Herald case. They abandoned him when he was fighting corruption in the court against Chidambaram.

His petty ego prevented him from using the abilities of this man to cut down the CONgress high command to size.

And what is the end result ?

The same High command and Chiddu came together to destroy Amit Shah's ego and snatched away victory from the jaws of defeat by a technicality.


Today Shah's reputation has been AGAIN dented and the CONgress reputation for pulling a win out of their hat has been strengthened.

BJP and CONgress both choose to make this a battle of prestige and the BJP LOST its prestige.


This story clearly demonstrates why Amit Shah is not PM material. He is a victim of his own hubris. Much like some of the BJP supporters in pdf.

All BJP can now say is tomorrow is another day.

You probably thought the same thing after BJP lost Bihar elections - right?

Never assume politics is all linear. It's like a war, the small battles on their own have importance but in the larger context of war, analysis must be done.
Sure, BJP lost the battle to get the RS seat but what happens to the bigger battle in couple of months in Gujarat? What about the impact in 2019?

There is nothing like prestige in politics. You either win the war or you don't. Bihar should be a great example for all of us to know what a battle looks like & what a war looks like.

Coming to Subramaniam Swamy, your analysis couldn't be more wrong. He is placed exactly where he needs to be. Don't confuse court cases with politics & if you think BJP is an ideal party where they won't mix these two where it suits them, then you are mistaken.
Remember, Politics is all about timing - Subramanian swamy is the hound & he is well aware of what he wants and what BJP want's. Don't mistake Subramanian Swamy to be a friend of BJP. It's a convergence of common interests that has brought the two parties together.

And stop making a repeat fool of your self & read the whole post, take a deep breadth, understand the post and reply. Here again, the context of the post is also important.

 

[Star Wars]

Oh god ..... that is just pathetic. Stop being in DENIAL all the time.

This IS a victory for the CONgress and Eggs on face of "master strategist" Amit Shah, and in my view, it serves him right.

Amit Shah held Dr. Subramanian Swamy in contempt and the BJP left him alone to battle Sonia & Rahul gandhi in the Herald case. They abandoned him when he was fighting corruption in the court against Chidambaram.

His petty ego prevented him from using the abilities of this man to cut down the CONgress high command to size.

And what is the end result ?

The same High command and Chiddu came together to destroy Amit Shah's ego and snatched away victory from the jaws of defeat by a technicality.


Today Shah's reputation has been AGAIN dented and the CONgress reputation for pulling a win out of their hat has been strengthened.

BJP and CONgress both choose to make this a battle of prestige and the BJP LOST its prestige.


This story clearly demonstrates why Amit Shah is not PM material. He is a victim of his own hubris. Much like some of the BJP supporters in pdf.

All BJP can now say is tomorrow is another day.

Calm down, playing dirty is what both sides do. People have different opinions, respect them. Having different opinions does not make one "hubris". Congress did sacrifice their chances in Gujarat to save A.P. We will have to wait and see if the entire drama was worth it for congress.

 

[salimpheku]

We will have to wait and see if the entire drama was worth it for congress.

It's only hindsight that's always 20/20.

Bihar mahaghatbhandhan looked like a master-stroke 2 years back. This now is an albatross for Congress, since they now doubt every party that aligns with them.

 

[ashok321]

Thank every MLA who voted 4 me despite unprecedented intimidation & pressure from BJP.They voted for inclusive India jantakareporter.com/india/ahmed-sh…

 

[Bibo]

You probably thought the same thing after BJP lost Bihar elections - right?

Are you for real ?

The MahaGhatbandan showed the world how the BJP can be stopped. By a potent mix of Caste politics.

Its to BJP's luck that there are no tall leaders in the opposition who could unite them to form this front.

Never assume politics is all linear. It's like a war, the small battles on their own have importance but in the larger context of war, analysis must be done.
Sure, BJP lost the battle to get the RS seat but what happens to the bigger battle in couple of months in Gujarat? What about the impact in 2019?

Those are not in play here. This was a grudge match that Amit shah lost.

Ahmed patel threw him in jail and when Amit Shat tried to get back at him, Ahmed patel outsmarted him once again.

You might not be able to see this, but the rest of the word can see it without any ambiguity.

There is nothing like prestige in politics. You either win the war or you don't. Bihar should be a great example for all of us to know what a battle looks like & what a war looks like.

If that was not the case, then a single RS seat from Gujarat would not have made it to National news and we would not be here discussing it.

Prestige is a play of perception and perception is everything in politics. And CONgress just won the battle of perception in this instance. Amit Shah stuck his neck out and so did Ahmed Patel. Amit shah just lost, ahmed patel just won.

End of the day, Jo jeetha wohi Sikander.

Coming to Subramaniam Swamy, your analysis couldn't be more wrong. He is placed exactly where he needs to be. Don't confuse court cases with politics & if you think BJP is an ideal party where they won't mix these two where it suits them, then you are mistaken.
Remember, Politics is all about timing - Subramanian swamy is the hound & he is well aware of what he wants and what BJP want's. Don't mistake Subramanian Swamy to be a friend of BJP. It's a convergence of common interests that has brought the two parties together.

LOL.... Dr. Swamy is in political limbo who is fighting his own personal battles and alienated from the larger body of BJP politics.

BJP has done its best to render him impotent, Is only Dr. Swamy's tenacity and strength that keeps him relevant. BJP has not "placed" him anywhere (except the RS), Dr. Swamy has placed himself in a position where nobody can ignore him. No thanks to the BJP.

There are no "friends" in politics. Even within the same party. Most of your "friends" will back stab you without a moment's hesitation. That is politics. Only someone Naive will use terms like "friends" in politics.

Its convergences of common interests that brings people together in any party. Dr. Swamy is no different from NaMo or Amit shah in that matter.

And stop making a repeat fool of your self & read the whole post, take a deep breadth, understand the post and reply. Here again, the context of the post is also important.

The only person who is making a fool is YOU with your repeated attempt at DENIAL and pretending that there is "nothing called prestige"

I would rather have facts and the TRUTH , than a nudge and a wink and Hypocrisy. So there is no point in asking me to "understand". I am not the "understanding" type.

Calm down, playing dirty is what both sides do. People have different opinions, respect them. Having different opinions does not make one "hubris". Congress did sacrifice their chances in Gujarat to save A.P. We will have to wait and see if the entire drama was worth it for congress.

Playing dirty is a dangerous game and if one does it, one has to make sure they WIN.

Otherwise you end up looking like a dirty pig.

Its not difference in opinion that makes "hubris", its denial of reality that makes "hubris".

CONgress is a spent force in Gujarat, so this battle was never about Gujarat.

It was about the might of the BJP vs the Might of the CONgress in a Battle of WITS. Guess who won that one.

This will continue to give hope to the opposition that CONgress can still pull a miracle from their hat. It just strengthened opposition moral. The very opposite of what BJP was trying to achieve.

 

[Star Wars]

Are you for real ?

The MahaGhatbandan showed the world how the BJP can be stopped. By a potent mix of Caste politics.

Its to BJP's luck that there are no tall leaders in the opposition who could unite them to form this front.



Those are not in play here. This was a grudge match that Amit shah lost.

Ahmed patel threw him in jail and when Amit Shat tried to get back at him, Ahmed patel outsmarted him once again.

You might not be able to see this, but the rest of the word can see it without any ambiguity.



If that was not the case, then a single RS seat from Gujarat would not have made it to National news and we would not be here discussing it.

Prestige is a play of perception and perception is everything in politics. And CONgress just won the battle of perception in this instance. Amit Shah stuck his neck out and so did Ahmed Patel. Amit shah just lost, ahmed patel just won.

End of the day, Jo jeetha wohi Sikander.



LOL.... Dr. Swamy is in political limbo who is fighting his own personal battles and alienated from the larger body of BJP politics.

BJP has done its best to render him impotent, Is only Dr. Swamy's tenacity and strength that keeps him relevant. BJP has not "placed" him anywhere (except the RS), Dr. Swamy has placed himself in a position where nobody can ignore him. No thanks to the BJP.

There are no "friends" in politics. Even within the same party. Most of your "friends" will back stab you without a moment's hesitation. That is politics. Only someone Naive will use terms like "friends" in politics.

Its convergences of common interests that brings people together in any party. Dr. Swamy is no different from NaMo or Amit shah in that matter.



The only person who is making a fool is YOU with your repeated attempt at DENIAL and pretending that there is "nothing called prestige"

I would rather have facts and the TRUTH , than a nudge and a wink and Hypocrisy. So there is no point in asking me to "understand". I am not the "understanding" type.

Is it not possible to have a discussion without demeaning others ?

Are you for real ?

The MahaGhatbandan showed the world how the BJP can be stopped. By a potent mix of Caste politics.

Its to BJP's luck that there are no tall leaders in the opposition who could unite them to form this front.



Those are not in play here. This was a grudge match that Amit shah lost.

Ahmed patel threw him in jail and when Amit Shat tried to get back at him, Ahmed patel outsmarted him once again.

You might not be able to see this, but the rest of the word can see it without any ambiguity.



If that was not the case, then a single RS seat from Gujarat would not have made it to National news and we would not be here discussing it.

Prestige is a play of perception and perception is everything in politics. And CONgress just won the battle of perception in this instance. Amit Shah stuck his neck out and so did Ahmed Patel. Amit shah just lost, ahmed patel just won.

End of the day, Jo jeetha wohi Sikander.



LOL.... Dr. Swamy is in political limbo who is fighting his own personal battles and alienated from the larger body of BJP politics.

BJP has done its best to render him impotent, Is only Dr. Swamy's tenacity and strength that keeps him relevant. BJP has not "placed" him anywhere (except the RS), Dr. Swamy has placed himself in a position where nobody can ignore him. No thanks to the BJP.

There are no "friends" in politics. Even within the same party. Most of your "friends" will back stab you without a moment's hesitation. That is politics. Only someone Naive will use terms like "friends" in politics.

Its convergences of common interests that brings people together in any party. Dr. Swamy is no different from NaMo or Amit shah in that matter.



The only person who is making a fool is YOU with your repeated attempt at DENIAL and pretending that there is "nothing called prestige"

I would rather have facts and the TRUTH , than a nudge and a wink and Hypocrisy. So there is no point in asking me to "understand". I am not the "understanding" type.



Playing dirty is a dangerous game and if one does it, one has to make sure they WIN.

Otherwise you end up looking like a dirty pig.

Its not difference in opinion that makes "hubris", its denial of reality that makes "hubris".

CONgress is a spent force in Gujarat, so this battle was never about Gujarat.

It was about the might of the BJP vs the Might of the CONgress in a Battle of WITS. Guess who won that one.

This will continue to give hope to the opposition that CONgress can still pull a miracle from their hat. It just strengthened opposition moral. The very opposite of what BJP was trying to achieve.

Congress is a spent force everywhere. As long as they exist, there is no credible opposition. Weather it is 2019 or 2024.

Considering how mgb failed miserably, it will be difficult to replicate it.

 

[Bibo]

Is it not possible to have a discussion without demeaning others ?

Sure, but I am not here to "discuss". Discussion is between equals. I am here to counter propaganda and if required, give some solid kicks to wake up those pretending to sleep.

Congress is a spent force everywhere. As long as they exist, there is no credible opposition. Weather it is 2019 or 2024.

Credible opposition is not slave to CONgress. They will arise whenever there is a power vacuum or disparity. An alternative narrative will always exist.

 

[Star Wars]

Sure, but I am not here to "discuss". Discussion is between equals. I am here to counter propaganda and if required, give some solid kicks to wake up those pretending to sleep.



Credible opposition is not slave to CONgress. They will arise whenever there is a power vacuum or disparity. An alternative narrative will always exist.

That's going to do the exact opposite of what you intend. As long as conf exists, there will not be a political vaccum.

 

[Bibo]

That's going to do the exact opposite of what you intend. As long as conf exists, there will not be a political vaccum.

My intention is a strong Hindutva movement and it does not matter to me who brings it. BJP or the CONgress or Anybody else.

I never claimed there is a power vacuum.

 

[salimpheku]

Are you for real ?

The MahaGhatbandan showed the world how the BJP can be stopped. By a potent mix of Caste politics.

Its to BJP's luck that there are no tall leaders in the opposition who could unite them to form this front.

Right now BJP is ruling in Bihar & I am the one that needs the reality check, right?
What the Ghatbhandham showed in 2 years is the huge chink in their armor, which BJP has showed it can drive through. That's why I asked you not to look what you have before you but have a larger picture in mind to analyse.

Those are not in play here. This was a grudge match that Amit shah lost.

Ahmed patel threw him in jail and when Amit Shat tried to get back at him, Ahmed patel outsmarted him once again.

You might not be able to see this, but the rest of the word can see it without any ambiguity.

You mean Shah being put in jail = Ahmed Patel not winning his RS seat.
If you think BJP has started 'their' brand of politics yet, you know nothing. Wait & watch.

LOL.... Dr. Swamy is in political limbo who is fighting his own personal battles and alienated from the larger body of BJP politics.

BJP has done its best to render him impotent, Is only Dr. Swamy's tenacity and strength that keeps him relevant. BJP has not "placed" him anywhere (except the RS), Dr. Swamy has placed himself in a position where nobody can ignore him. No thanks to the BJP.

There are no "friends" in politics. Even within the same party. Most of your "friends" will back stab you without a moment's hesitation. That is politics. Only someone Naive will use terms like "friends" in politics.

Its convergences of common interests that brings people together in any party. Dr. Swamy is no different from NaMo or Amit shah in that matter.

Yup. BJP has rendered him impotent by giving him RS seat on a platter.
You always assure politics is a zero sum game, hence the wrong analysis.

The only person who is making a fool is YOU with your repeated attempt at DENIAL and pretending that there is "nothing called prestige"

I would rather have facts and the TRUTH , than a nudge and a wink and Hypocrisy. So there is no point in asking me to "understand". I am not the "understanding" type.

There is 'prestige'. In Politics though, there are only winners. Prestige is what losers in politics cry about but at the end of the day everyone would be a buffoon in power than a gentleman without.

Coming to hypocrisy, we are discussing politics here, there is copious amounts here. If you want something devoid of hypocrisy - well, good luck finding it.

Playing dirty is a dangerous game and if one does it, one has to make sure they WIN.

Otherwise you end up looking like a dirty pig.

Its not difference in opinion that makes "hubris", its denial of reality that makes "hubris".

CONgress is a spent force in Gujarat, so this battle was never about Gujarat.

It was about the might of the BJP vs the Might of the CONgress in a Battle of WITS. Guess who won that one.

This will continue to give hope to the opposition that CONgress can still pull a miracle from their hat. It just strengthened opposition moral. The very opposite of what BJP was trying to achieve.

Your post is amateurish, emotional & devoid of any critical analysis.
Ahmed Patel at best is a power broken behind the scenes. If you are looking for genuine political stunners for BJP, you should look Delhi, Bihar, Central rule in HP etc etc. Even those a year or so down the line has turned into political winners for BJP.
Only one where BJP had to eat crow is the land bill. Their initial hubris was exposed, hence the reason why it was never attempted again.

You think Congress never had a chance in Gujarat? May be but BJP was on a shaky wicket as well. If you think otherwise, you are not watching last 2 years of Gujarat politics.
What happened with Ahmed Patel is a divided Congress. If Ahmed Patel lost, it would have been a bonus for BJP. It was always a long play and not even hand lost means the game is lost.

Before you reply, take a deep breadth, relax a bit & post. otherwise you will keep 'messing up'

 

[ashok321]

Ahmed Patel Snatches Win In Gujarat Rajya Sabha Nail-Biter: 10 Points

 

[salimpheku]

Credible opposition is not slave to CONgress. They will arise whenever there is a power vacuum or disparity. An alternative narrative will always exist.

Sure, but who is the leader?
It's always about leader for all Coalitions. Be from JaiPrakash Narayan to VP Singh etc, these were immense personalities with mass base.

BJP just destroyed MGB. Let me insult you by saying your political knowledge wouldn't even begin to assess how & why BJP destroyed it

Another scenario for you to analyse.
BJP WILL form a coalition govt in TN with AIADMK.

They could have done 2 months back but they didn't and will probably do it now. If you can analyse WHY not before and why NOW, you will understand the importance of 'timing' in politics.

Don't bother bringing in Swamy. I like him a lot but he is what he is & what he does not win you elections. Even he knows that. The arrangement Swamy & BJP has is perfectly working together.

 

[Bibo]

Right now BJP is ruling in Bihar & I am the one that needs the reality check, right?
What the Ghatbhandham showed in 2 years is the huge chink in their armor, which BJP has showed it can't drive through. That's why I asked you not to look what you have before you but have a larger picture in mind to analyse.

Its JD(U) which is ruling bihar. BJP is the junior partner. Its Nitish kumar who calls the shots. Not Sushil Modi.

If anything its JD(U) that showed the huge chinks in BJP armor.

Maybe you can take that reality check again.

You mean Shah being put in jail = Ahmed Patel not winning his RS seat.
If you think BJP has started 'their' brand of politics yet, you know nothing. Wait & watch.

Of course Shah tried to get back at patel. Patel ensured shah lost the home ministry of Gujarat and forced him into Jail and then into exile, Shah tried to do the same to patel and lost.

BJP has already demonstrated that it does not have what it takes to play CONgress "brand" of politics. Dr. Swmay could have done it, only BJP has chosen to ignore him rather than use him to their advantage. Its poor politics by any standard.

Yup. BJP has rendered him impotent by giving him RS seat on a platter.
You always assure politics is a zero sum game, hence the wrong analysis.

LOL.... if anything, BJP has provided a platform for ahmed patel to show to the world why he is still matters and has just given him a lease of political life.

If politics is a game, then CONGress just won this round.

There is 'prestige'. In Politics though, there are only winners. Prestige is what losers in politics cry about but at the end of the day everyone would be a buffoon in power than a gentleman without.

Coming to hypocrisy, we are discussing politics here, there is copious amounts here. If you want something devoid of hypocrisy - well, good luck finding it.

If there are only winners in politics, then ahmed patel is that winner. You seem to have some difficulty accepting this reality.

Debate on pdf is not politics so a debate needs to be devoid of hypocrisy.

Your post is amateurish, emotional & devoid of any critical analysis.
Ahmed Patel at best is a power broken behind the scenes. If you are looking for genuine political stunners for BJP, you should look Delhi, Bihar, Central rule in HP etc etc. Even those a year or so down the line has turned into political winners for BJP.
Only one where BJP had to eat crow is the land bill. Their initial hubris was exposed, hence the reason why it was never attempted again.

You think Congress never had a chance in Gujarat? May be but BJP was on a shaky wicket as well. If you think otherwise, you are not watching last 2 years of Gujarat politics.
What happened with Ahmed Patel is a divided Congress. If Ahmed Patel lost, it would have been a bonus for BJP. It was always a long play and not even hand lost means the game is lost.

Before you reply, take a deep breadth, relax a bit & post. otherwise you will keep 'messing up'

My posts always has Zero emotions, which is why I am always able to call a spade a spade while you find the need to beat around the bush and give a "wink".

BJP has demonstrated an ability to learn from its mistakes and that is what runs to its advantage. Which is why I remain hopeful that they will learn from this defeat too and recognize the value of Dr. Swamy in taking down the powerful.

CONgress in gujarat is a pathetic strawman so I will ignore it.

For now , AMit shah's plane to demoralize the opposition has failed and has in fact backfired. How it recovers from it is another story for another day. But as long as one continues to be in derail, one will not learn anything from this debacle.

Sure, but who is the leader?
It's always about leader for all Coalitions. Be from JaiPrakash Narayan to VP Singh etc, these were immense personalities with mass base.

BJP just destroyed MGB. Let me insult you by saying your political knowledge wouldn't even begin to assess how & why BJP destroyed it

Another scenario for you to analyse.
BJP WILL form a coalition govt in TN with AIADMK.

They could have done 2 months back but they didn't and will probably do it now. If you can analyse WHY not before and why NOW, you will understand the importance of 'timing' in politics.

Don't bother bringing in Swamy. I like him a lot but he is what he is & what he does not win you elections. Even he knows that. The arrangement Swamy & BJP has is perfectly working together.

Read my earlier post which said that BJP is lucky that the opposition does not have any tall leaders.

Stop throwing up strawmen to deflect.

You are free to spin fantasy of magnificent victories in your head and credit yourself with utter brilliance for discovering them. I am seriously not interested in such self felicitation.

AIADMK already has a STABLE govt. with full majority in TN. AIADMK has 134 seats while BJP has 0 seats ..... what are you smoking ?

Dr. Swamy has done his bit in ensuring BJP's election victory. There is no need for me to spell it out on how his court cases has demolished CONgress credibility and how is consistent support for Ram Mandir has strengthened the Hindutva movement. Both of which helped the BJP.

BJP has failed itself for not using Dr. Swamy to take down the CONgress high command. And the end result if there for all to see.