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Not sure if posted earlier, just came across this:

Fifty top scholars take on Leftist historians for denying India's knowledge systems and force-fitting history into ideology - Firstpost

On 26 October, 53 Indian historians voiced alarm at what they perceived to be the country’s “highly vitiated atmosphere” and protested against attempts to impose “legislated history, a manufactured image of the past, glorifying certain aspects of it and denigrating others....” This was soon followed by an “Open letter from overseas historians and social scientists”, 176 of them, warning against “a dangerously pervasive atmosphere of narrowness, intolerance and bigotry” and “a monolithic and flattened view of India's history.”

Such closely-linked statements appearing with clockwork regularity in India and abroad — there have been several more from various “intellectual” circles — are a well-orchestrated campaign to create a bogeyman and cry wolf. They are neither intellectual nor academic in substance, but ideological and, much more so, political.

As historians, archaeologists and academics specializing in diverse aspects of Indian civilization, we wish to respond to these hypocritical attempts to claim the moral high ground. Many of the signatories of the above two statements by Indian and “overseas” historians have been part of a politico-ideological apparatus which, from the 1970s onward, has come to dominate most historical bodies in the country, including the Indian Council of Historical Research (ICHR), and imposed its blinkered view of Indian historiography on the whole academic discipline.

Anchored mainly in Marxist historiography and leftist ideology, with a few borrowings from postmodernism, the Annales School, Subaltern and other studies, this new School, which may be called “Leftist” for want of a better term, has become synonymous with a number of abusive and unscholarly practises; among them:


1. A reductionist approach viewing the evolution of Indian society almost entirely through the prism of the caste system, emphasizing its mechanisms of “exclusion” while neglecting those of integration without which Indian society would have disintegrated long ago.

2. A near-complete erasure of India’s knowledge systems in every field —philosophical, linguistic, literary, scientific, medical, technological or artistic — and a general underemphasis of India’s important contributions to other cultures and civilizations . In this, the Leftist School has been a faithful inheritor of colonial historiography, except that it no longer has the excuse of ignorance. Yet it claims to provide an accurate and “scientific” portrayal of India!

3. A denial of the continuity and originality of India’s Hindu-Buddhist-Jain-Sikh culture , ignoring the work of generations of Indian and Western Indologists. Hindu identity, especially, has been a pet aversion of this School, which has variously portrayed it as being disconnected from Vedic antecedents, irrational, superstitious, regressive, barbaric — ultimately “imagined” and, by implication, illegitimate.

4. A refusal to acknowledge the well-documented darker chapters of Indian history , in particular the brutality of many Muslim rulers and their numerous Buddhist, Jain, Hindu and occasionally Christian and Muslim victims (ironically, some of these tyrants are glorified today); the brutal intolerance of the Church in Goa, Kerala and Puducherry; and the state-engineered economic and cultural impoverishment of India under the British rule. While history worldwide has wisely called for millions of nameless victims to be remembered, Indian victims have had to suffer a second death, that of oblivion, and often even derision.

5. A neglect of tribal histories : For all its claims to give a voice to “marginalized” or “oppressed” sections of Indian society, the Leftist School has hardly allowed a space to India’s tribal communities and the rich contributions of their tribal belief systems and heritage. When it has condescended to take notice, it has generally been to project Hindu culture and faith traditions as inimical to tribal cultures and beliefs, whereas in reality the latter have much more in common with the former than with the religions imposed on them through militant conversions.

6. A biased and defective use of sources : Texts as well as archaeological or epigraphic evidence have been misread or selectively used to fit preconceived theories. Advances of Indological researches in the last few decades have been ignored, as have been Indian or Western historians, archaeologists, anthropologists who have differed from the Leftist School. Archaeologists who developed alternative perspectives after considerable research have been sidelined or negatively branded. Scientific inputs from many disciplines, from palaeo-environmental to genetic studies have been neglected.

7. A disquieting absence of professional ethics : The Leftist School has not academically critiqued dissenting Indian historians, preferring to dismiss them as “Nationalist” or “communal”. Many academics have suffered discrimination, virtual ostracism and loss of professional opportunities because they would not toe the line, enforced through political support since the days of Nurul Hasan. The Indian History Congress and the ICHR, among other institutions, became arenas of power play and political as well as financial manipulation. In effect, the Leftist School succeeded in projecting itself as the one and only, crushing debate and dissent and polarizing the academic community.

While we reject attempts to portray India’s past as a glorious and perfect golden age, we condemn the far more pernicious imposition by the Leftist School of a “legislated history”, which has presented an alienating and debilitating self-image to generations of Indian students, and promoted contempt for their civilizational heritage. The “values and traditions of plurality that India had always cherished in the past” are precisely those this School has never practised. We call for an unbiased and rigorous new historiography of India.

1. Dr. Dilip K. Chakrabarti , Emeritus Professor, Cambridge University, UK; Dean, Centre of Historical and Civilizational Studies, Vivekananda International Foundation, Chanakyapuri, Delhi; member, ICHR

2. Dr. Saradindu Mukherji , historian, retired from Delhi University; member, ICHR

3. Dr. Nanditha Krishna , Director, CPR Institute of Indological Research, Chennai; member, ICHR

4. Dr. M.D. Srinivas , former professor of theoretical physics; former vice-chairman, Indian Institute of Advanced Study; chairman, Centre for Policy Studies, Chennai; member, ICHR

5. Dr. Meenakshi Jain , associate professor of history, Delhi University; member, ICHR

6. Michel Danino , guest professor, IIT Gandhinagar; member, ICHR

7. Prof. B.B. Lal , former Director General, Archaeological Survey of India

8. Dr. R.S. Bisht , former Joint Director General, Archaeological Survey of India

9. Dr. R. Nagaswamy , former Director of Archaeology, Govt. of Tamil Nadu; Vice Chancellor, Sri Chandrasekharendra Saraswathi Viswa Mahavidyalaya, Kanchipuram

10. Dr. B.M. Pande , Former Director, Archaeological Survey of India

11. Prof. Dayanath Tripathi , former Chairman, ICHR; former Head, Dept. of Ancient History, Archaeology and Culture, D.D.U. Gorakhpur University, Gorakhpur; former Visiting Professor at Cambridge, British Academy

12. Prof. R.C. Agrawal , President, Rock Art Society of India; former Member Secretary of ICHR

13. Prof. K.V. Raman , former professor of Ancient Indian History & Archaeology, University of Madras

14. Dr. Padma Subrahmanyam , Dancer and Research Scholar

15. Prof. Kapil Kapoor , former Rector, Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi; Chancellor, Mahatma Gandhi Antararashtriya Hindi Vishwavidyalaya, Wardha (Maharashtra)

16. Prof. Madhu Kishwar , Professor, Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, New Delhi

17. Dr. Chandrakala Padia , Vice Chancellor, Maharaja Ganga Singh University (Rajasthan); Chairperson, Indian Institute of Advanced Study, Shimla

18. Sachchidanand Sahai , Ph.D. (Paris), National Professor in Epigraphy, Ministry of Culture, Government of India, Advisor to Preah Vihear National Authority under the Royal Government of Cambodia; member, ICHR

19. Dr. J.K. Bajaj , Director Centre for Policy Studies, Former Member ICSSR

20. Dr. Makarand Paranjape , Professor of English, JNU; Visiting Global South Fellow, University of Tuebingen

21. Dr. Nikhiles Guha , former professor of history, University of Kalyani, West Bengal; member, ICHR

22. Prof. Issac C.I. , member, ICHR

23. Prof. (Dr.) Purabi Roy , member, ICHR

24. Prof. Jagbir Singh , Former Professor and Head, Dept. of Punjabi, University of Delhi; Life Fellow, Punjabi University, Patiala.

25. Dr. G.J. Sudhakar , former Associate Professor, Dept. of History, Loyola College, Chennai

26. Dr. Bharat Gupt , Former Associate Professor, Delhi University

27. Prof. O.P. Kejariwal , Central Information Commissioner & Nehru Fellow

28. Dr. S.C. Bhattacharya , former Professor and HOD, Ancient History, Culture and Archaeology, Allahabad University; former National Fellow, IIAS, Shimla

29. Prof. S.K. Chakraborty , former professor, Management Centre for Human Values, Indian Institute of Management Calcutta

30. Dr. Amarjiva Lochan , Associate Professor in History, Delhi University; President, South and Southeast Asian Association for the Study of Culture & Religion (SSEASR) under IAHR, affiliated to the UNESCO

31. Dr. R.N. Iyengar , Distinguished Professor, Jain University, Bangalore

32. Professor (Dr) R. Nath , former Professor of History, University of Rajasthan, Jaipur

33. Kirit Mankodi , archaeologist, consultant to Project for Indian Cultural Studies, Mumbai

34. Prof. K. Ramasubramanian , Cell for Indian Science and Technology in Sanskrit, IIT Bombay; Council Member International Union for History and Philosophy of Science; member, Rashtriya Sanksrit Parishad

35. Dr. M.S. Sriram , Retired Professor and Head, Department of Theoretical Physics, University of Madras; Member Editorial Board, Indian Journal of History of Science; Former Member, Research Council for History of Science, INSA

36. Dr. Amartya Kumar Dutta , Professor of Mathematics, Indian Statistical Institute, Kolkata

37. Dr. Godabarisha Mishra , Professor and Head, Dept. of Philosophy, University of Madras

38. Dr. R. Ganesh , Shathavadhani, Sanskrit scholar

39. Sri Banwari , Academic and Journalist; former Resident Editor, Jansatta

40. Dr. S. Krishnan , Associate Professor, Dept of Mathematics, IIT Bombay

41. Dr. Rajnish Kumar Mishra , Associate Professor, Special Centre for Sanskrit Studies, Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi

42. Dr. Vikram Sampath , Director, Symbiosis School of Media and Communication; former Director of Indira Gandhi National Centre for the Arts (IGNCA) - SRC; historian and author

43. Prof. K. Gopinath , Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore

44. Prof. M.A. Venkatakrishnan , former Professor and Head, Dept. of Vaishnavism, Madras University

45. Dr. Sumathi Krishnan , Musician and Musicologist

46. Dr. Prema Nandakumar , Author and translator

47. Dr. Santosh Kumar Shukla , Associate Professor, Special Centre for Sanskrit Studies, Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi

48. Siniruddha Dash, former Professor & Head,Dept. of Sanskrit, University of Madras


49. Dr.Mamata Mishra, Managing Trustee, Prof. K.V. Sarma Research Foundation

50. Dr.Chithra Madhavan, historian and epigraphist
 
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Finally I am back in this forum sub section (been banned from here since Bihar elections)

What a wallop that was :(, but I guess y'all have moved on to other topics of discussion mostly :P
 
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Not sure if posted earlier, just came across this:

Fifty top scholars take on Leftist historians for denying India's knowledge systems and force-fitting history into ideology - Firstpost

On 26 October, 53 Indian historians voiced alarm at what they perceived to be the country’s “highly vitiated atmosphere” and protested against attempts to impose “legislated history, a manufactured image of the past, glorifying certain aspects of it and denigrating others....” This was soon followed by an “Open letter from overseas historians and social scientists”, 176 of them, warning against “a dangerously pervasive atmosphere of narrowness, intolerance and bigotry” and “a monolithic and flattened view of India's history.”

Such closely-linked statements appearing with clockwork regularity in India and abroad — there have been several more from various “intellectual” circles — are a well-orchestrated campaign to create a bogeyman and cry wolf. They are neither intellectual nor academic in substance, but ideological and, much more so, political.

As historians, archaeologists and academics specializing in diverse aspects of Indian civilization, we wish to respond to these hypocritical attempts to claim the moral high ground. Many of the signatories of the above two statements by Indian and “overseas” historians have been part of a politico-ideological apparatus which, from the 1970s onward, has come to dominate most historical bodies in the country, including the Indian Council of Historical Research (ICHR), and imposed its blinkered view of Indian historiography on the whole academic discipline.

Anchored mainly in Marxist historiography and leftist ideology, with a few borrowings from postmodernism, the Annales School, Subaltern and other studies, this new School, which may be called “Leftist” for want of a better term, has become synonymous with a number of abusive and unscholarly practises; among them:


1. A reductionist approach viewing the evolution of Indian society almost entirely through the prism of the caste system, emphasizing its mechanisms of “exclusion” while neglecting those of integration without which Indian society would have disintegrated long ago.

2. A near-complete erasure of India’s knowledge systems in every field —philosophical, linguistic, literary, scientific, medical, technological or artistic — and a general underemphasis of India’s important contributions to other cultures and civilizations . In this, the Leftist School has been a faithful inheritor of colonial historiography, except that it no longer has the excuse of ignorance. Yet it claims to provide an accurate and “scientific” portrayal of India!

3. A denial of the continuity and originality of India’s Hindu-Buddhist-Jain-Sikh culture , ignoring the work of generations of Indian and Western Indologists. Hindu identity, especially, has been a pet aversion of this School, which has variously portrayed it as being disconnected from Vedic antecedents, irrational, superstitious, regressive, barbaric — ultimately “imagined” and, by implication, illegitimate.

4. A refusal to acknowledge the well-documented darker chapters of Indian history , in particular the brutality of many Muslim rulers and their numerous Buddhist, Jain, Hindu and occasionally Christian and Muslim victims (ironically, some of these tyrants are glorified today); the brutal intolerance of the Church in Goa, Kerala and Puducherry; and the state-engineered economic and cultural impoverishment of India under the British rule. While history worldwide has wisely called for millions of nameless victims to be remembered, Indian victims have had to suffer a second death, that of oblivion, and often even derision.

5. A neglect of tribal histories : For all its claims to give a voice to “marginalized” or “oppressed” sections of Indian society, the Leftist School has hardly allowed a space to India’s tribal communities and the rich contributions of their tribal belief systems and heritage. When it has condescended to take notice, it has generally been to project Hindu culture and faith traditions as inimical to tribal cultures and beliefs, whereas in reality the latter have much more in common with the former than with the religions imposed on them through militant conversions.

6. A biased and defective use of sources : Texts as well as archaeological or epigraphic evidence have been misread or selectively used to fit preconceived theories. Advances of Indological researches in the last few decades have been ignored, as have been Indian or Western historians, archaeologists, anthropologists who have differed from the Leftist School. Archaeologists who developed alternative perspectives after considerable research have been sidelined or negatively branded. Scientific inputs from many disciplines, from palaeo-environmental to genetic studies have been neglected.

7. A disquieting absence of professional ethics : The Leftist School has not academically critiqued dissenting Indian historians, preferring to dismiss them as “Nationalist” or “communal”. Many academics have suffered discrimination, virtual ostracism and loss of professional opportunities because they would not toe the line, enforced through political support since the days of Nurul Hasan. The Indian History Congress and the ICHR, among other institutions, became arenas of power play and political as well as financial manipulation. In effect, the Leftist School succeeded in projecting itself as the one and only, crushing debate and dissent and polarizing the academic community.

While we reject attempts to portray India’s past as a glorious and perfect golden age, we condemn the far more pernicious imposition by the Leftist School of a “legislated history”, which has presented an alienating and debilitating self-image to generations of Indian students, and promoted contempt for their civilizational heritage. The “values and traditions of plurality that India had always cherished in the past” are precisely those this School has never practised. We call for an unbiased and rigorous new historiography of India.
Thx for posting this
 
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Not to mention the Hero Factory investment deal (which was supposed to be made in Karnataka )which CBN snatched away to AP just a few months after he came to power.

Things like these prove that CBN is the best thing to happen to A.P. during the congi rule we lost precious chance to turn in to an automobile hub. we lost big companies like volkswagon and Nissan to neighbor states(though kiran kumar tried his best to bring it to chittor) not to mention the ysr govt cancelling the F1 track in hyd.
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@Srinivas @danger007 @itachii Chudandi annalu, venkiaha garu manaa AP ke eni illu icchadu PM gram aawas yojna kinda.
2,28,000 houses for urban poor cleared under Housing for All Mission
TBH, I always felt A.P received good no. of central Institutions and schemes favoring it even without special status. Nevertheless we should put pressure on the central govt to grant the state its promised spl status

Let's hope this works


Satya wachan.mein khud to kuch zyada nahi karsakta toh inko hi donate kardeta hu :enjoy:

bro, did u start writing articles in RW magazines ?? If so post them here.
 
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Things like these prove that CBN is the best thing to happen to A.P. during the congi rule we lost precious chance to turn in to an automobile hub. we lost big companies like volkswagon and Nissan to neighbor states(though kiran kumar tried his best to bring it to chittor) not to mention the ysr govt cancelling the F1 track in hyd.
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TBH, I always felt A.P received good no. of central Institutions and schemes favoring it even without special status. Nevertheless we should put pressure on the central govt to grant the state its promised spl status



bro, did u start writing articles in RW magazines ?? If so post them here.

I have written some articles for the Frustrated Indian
 
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St. Stephen’s bends its constitution for the Church | education$higher-studies | Hindustan Times

A draft amendment circulated by principal Valson Thampu proposes to hand over student admissions and faculty appointments to the college’s supreme council, leaving the governing body toothless. It also empowers the principal to take disciplinary action against students or staff, independent of the governing body, which till now had a say in the matter.

The current supreme council is made up of five Church of North India (CNI) members and the principal. It was earlier responsible only for appointing the principal and safeguarding the college’s minority status.
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Teachers fear that the amendment, if passed, would destroy the “secular and intellectual” fabric of the Delhi University college. “This is being done to establish oligarchy of Christians who will run the institution as they like. The new constitution removes the system of checks and balances. The secular and intellectual interest of the institution is being compromised by vested interests who have already brought bad name to the college,” said a senior teacher, who has been a governing body member.

“All of a sudden, the principal will also have the power to decide on staff increments,” said Nandita Narain, a teacher.

“Now what is the legitimacy of the changes that are being brought? Moreover, the college is a government-funded institution and CNI does not even give 5% that they are supposed to give, so why is so much power being vested in them,” she asked.


Govt funded college totally run by the church...with clergy deciding everything. RTE screwing schools. Heard they are working on a new education policy, need it fast.

WTF is Smriti Irani doing :angry:


Rising Intolerance :cry: ...... tax wapsi.
 
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Things like these prove that CBN is the best thing to happen to A.P. during the congi rule we lost precious chance to turn in to an automobile hub. we lost big companies like volkswagon and Nissan to neighbor states(though kiran kumar tried his best to bring it to chittor) not to mention the ysr govt cancelling the F1 track in hyd.
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TBH, I always felt A.P received good no. of central Institutions and schemes favoring it even without special status. Nevertheless we should put pressure on the central govt to grant the state its promised spl status

bro, did u start writing articles in RW magazines ?? If so post them here.
AP can't get special status, we don't fit the requirements & if we get it by any miracle, the other states will create a lot of unnecessary drama.

What AP needs instead of a special status is a hefty & big special package from the centre+ incentives & other measures to encourage industry & investment in AP+money for our capital+fulfillment of other promises made in the bill
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I have written some articles for the Frustrated Indian
Do you guys think I should start writing & sending articles to RW publications/websites, I was asked by some to do so.

& are you a member of the TFI team?
 
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AP can't get special status, we don't fit the requirements & if we get it by any miracle, the other states will create a lot of unnecessary drama.

What AP needs instead of a special status is a hefty & big special package from the centre+ incentives & other measures to encourage industry & investment in AP+money for our capital+fulfillment of other promises made in the bill
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Do you guys think I should start writing & sending articles to RW publications/websites, I was asked by some to do so.

& are you a member of the TFI team?

Yes you should & yes i am one of their columnist
 
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Do you guys think I should start writing & sending articles to RW publications/websites, I was asked by some to do so.


Yes

Btw 19 year olds with Ashok Singhalji as dp - this is my idea of INDIA :enjoy:

Yes you should & yes i am one of their columnist

Give link to your articles when up :P
 
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& right wingers say don't compare us with ISIS. :coffee:
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