Indian police wrongly target Muslims

[MilSpec]

Swami Aseemanand was only arrested after he confessed of his crimes:

Abdul Kaleem

Now , isn't that just silly

the CBI arrested Aseemanand on November 19 2010

On 24th December 2010 he was handed oven to NIA.

on December 18 2010, he confessed that he and other Hindu activists were involved in bombings at various muslim religious places as they wanted to answer every Islamist terror act with “a bomb for bomb’’ policy.

please get your facts right

 

[53fd]

Now , isn't that just silly

the CBI arrested Aseemanand on November 19 2010

On 24th December 2010 he was handed oven to NIA.

on December 18 2010, he confessed that he and other Hindu activists were involved in bombings at various muslim religious places as they wanted to answer every Islamist terror act with “a bomb for bomb’’ policy.

please get your facts right

Frankly, the timeline is irrelevant. The point is that without Swami Aseemanand's confession, the whole Hindutva terror network, & its role in previous incidents would not have been discovered.

Let's even forget about Swami Aseemanand for a second. We know through the Supreme Court's Judge's statement that the Indian police has wrongly targeted Indian Muslims. We've seen some clear cut cases in the past, how many more were the works of Hindu extremists whose responsibility innocent Muslims have had to take?

 

[LaBong]

Muslims are arrested because they are prima facie as many Islamic insurgencies are active in India and they proudly take responsibility of killing. I'd rather give credit to Indian police agencies that they dug out the original miscreant.

 

[MilSpec]

Frankly, the timeline is irrelevant. The point is that without Swami Aseemanand's confession, the whole Hindutva terror network, & its role in previous incidents would not have been discovered.

Let's even forget about Swami Aseemanand for a second. We know through the Supreme Court's Judge's statement that the Indian police has wrongly targeted Indian Muslims. We've seen some clear cut cases in the past, how many more were the works of Hindu extremists whose responsibility innocent Muslims have had to take?

sir,

Now you are tying to soil the same system that actually brought the swami to justice.

We've seen some clear cut cases in the past, how many more were the works of Hindu extremists, who's responsibility innocent Muslims have had to take?

here basically you are trying to make a mockery of the judiciary which has even given a fair trial to kasab.

These so called clear cases you point out, are there any examples or just your personal allegations on the judicial system?

P.S Is Timeline is irrelevant, because your claim was false?

 

[LaBong]

Frankly, the timeline is irrelevant. The point is that without Swami Aseemanand's confession, the whole Hindutva terror network, & its role in previous incidents would not have been discovered.

Because that was unexampled. Our efficient law enforces dug out truth from Aseemananda.

Let's even forget about Swami Aseemanand for a second. We know through the Supreme Court's Judge's statement that the Indian police has wrongly targeted Indian Muslims. We've seen some clear cut cases in the past, how many more were the works of Hindu extremists whose responsibility innocent Muslims have had to take?

You tell us by looking at the glass ball.

 

[MilSpec]

Muslims are arrested because they are prima facie as many Islamic insurgencies are active in India and they proudly take responsibility of killing. I'd rather give credit to Indian police agencies that they dug out the original miscreant.

Dada, i have been trying to explain the same thing.. but it seems the members here are hell bent on declaring Indians some kind of neo-hindu-jihadists trying to victimize muslims for no reason

 

[LaBong]

Dada, i have been trying to explain the same thing.. but it seems the members here are hell bent on declaring Indians some kind of neo-hindu-jihadists trying to victimize muslims for no reason

As Toxic_Pus Dada already has said, they are just being themselves.

 

[53fd]

sir,

Now you are tying to soil the same system that actually brought the swami to justice.

Swami was brought to justice, but justice for the innocent Indian Muslim who had been jailed for more than 1.5 years only happened when Swami confessed.

These so called clear cases you point out, are there any examples or just your personal allegations on the judicial system?

Samjhota Express, Malegaon Blasts, Mecca Masjid, Ajmer Blasts etc.

P.S Is Timeline is irrelevant, because your claim was false?

No, the timeline is irrelevant because Swami wasn't one of the bombers, & the identities of the other bombers was only known when Swami confessed. The timeline is irrelevant, because despite Swami being arrested, the innocent Muslim who was jailed for more than 1.5 years was still in jail, while the real perpetrators of the attacks were looming outside.

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One really doesn't even need to say anything. The statement of the Supreme Court Judge is chilling enough, showing how the Indian Muslims are looked at by the Indian police authorities (not some political party), which should be an impartial body for all Indian citizens regardless of religion, especially when India's constitution is supposedly secular. Indians should be worried listening to this.

 

[LaBong]

No, the timeline is irrelevant because Swami wasn't one of the bombers, & the identities of the other bombers was only known when Swami confessed.

Wow how ingenious!

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hello ,how may i help you

How are you sir, and when are you coming to Calcutta? Be afraid of us Hinduvta Jihadis! :p

 

[MilSpec]

Swami was brought to justice, but justice for the innocent Indian Muslim who had been jailed for more than 1.5 years only happened when Swami confessed.



Samjhota Express, Malegaon Blasts, Mecca Masjid, Ajmer Blasts etc.



No, the timeline is irrelevant because Swami wasn't one of the bombers, & the identities of the other bombers was only known when Swami confessed. The timeline is irrelevant, because despite Swami being arrested, the innocent Muslim who was jailed for more than 1.5 years was still in jail, while the real perpetrators of the attacks were looming outside.

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One really doesn't even need to say anything. The statement of the Supreme Court Judge is chilling enough, & shows how the Indian Muslims are looked at.

I think you very well understand the dilemma of the legal system are just playing dumb here to make your arguments and bring your concept "hindu terror" into prominence. I am not denying there are problems , but you are trying to pronounce it in such light that every attack on india might have been a "hindu terror" attack ... Truth remains the main reason for significant terror activity in India has been ISI and its terror factions banking on radical Islam . Hence every bomb blast tends to have finger pointed in the areas with dense muslim populations.

 

[Manas]

@bilalhaider

The Swami Aseemananda confession you are harping on has been already retracted by Aseemananda himself and he alleges that he coerced to confess under pressure from the investigating agencies .

The case pretty much hanging in the air .

NIA the govt agency who is investigating the case is accused of biase and politicization by several hindu orgs for hyping of issue of hindu terror at the behest of the congress govt at the central known for playing vote bank politics even in the serious issue of terrorism.

Swami Aseemanand takes back confession, says he was "coerced" - 1 -  

 

[Manas]

Justice Markandey Katju's hyperbole that police, accusing them of falsely implicating local Muslims in bomb attacks is made in liberal passion, not the voice of pragmatism.

There few issues to be made clear here.

All case of terrorism is being investigated either by NIA of center or ATS or STF branches of the state police .They are dedicated investigating agencies to deal with cases of terrorism. So there is no question of amateurish investigations .That doesn't mean they perfect and very good . There is certainly scope for improvement.

Two, its true that sometime innocent Muslims get trapped being accused in terror related cases . There are some Muslims lying in jail for being suspected member of Banned SIMI . There cases where even house owner thrown in jail cause the tenant was a Simi member who is wanted by the police and is at large .

Unfortunately this isn't unusual in our country where judicial process takes time when only judge can let go off an accused .

BTW does MR justice know ,how many innocent muslims captured from around the world by famed FBI and CIA of uUSA are hold in at Guntanamo bay and other secret US jails on the charges of being part Alqaeda and Taliban without trial ??

 

[Bang Galore]

Do you agree with my assertion, that Indian Muslims are more prone towards being targeted by police? And what about their court indictments & convictions?

They were! Pre the now known knowledge of Hindu right wing terrorist group(s). Now less likely than before. Please remember that while prejudice plays its part, the police will at the initial stages atleast look for usual suspects. Prior to these bombings, there were no real evidence of the hand of right wing Hindu groups on acts of this nature. It will change//has changed; the police are a bit more circumspect now.

Who knows how many more bombings in the past had the involvement of Hindu extremists that were blamed on Muslims? This is a serious, deep rooted issue that needs to be addressed in India. If Swami Aseemanand hadn't made his confession, all the bombings would have been put on the Indian Muslims.

Don't think that these actions by Hindu groups go back much further. The idea was to punish "muslims", previous terror attacks were confined to Hindu dominated/public areas.

Justice Markandey Katju's hyperbole that police, accusing them of falsely implicating local Muslims in bomb attacks is made in liberal passion, not the voice of pragmatism.

You obviously know very little about Justice Markandey Katju ! The guy speaks his mind & no one including Muslim groups have been spared scathing criticism. (remember the (in)famous taliban comment?) He is right on the spot here, though the article reads more to his comments than was warranted. He was very critical of the media too, especially the visual media & has scared the pants of them by suggesting that strict action must be taken on those media organisations which are "incorrigible" in their behavior.

 

[Manas]

You obviously know very little about Justice Markandey Katju ! The guy speaks his mind & no one including Muslim groups have been spared scathing criticism. (remember the (in)famous taliban comment?) He is right on the spot here, though the article reads more to his comments than was warranted. He was very critical of the media too, especially the visual media & has scared the pants of them by suggesting that strict action must be taken on those media organisations which are "incorrigible" in their behavior.

Judicial activism beyond a point is unnecessary even dangerous .

Is this the same judge who banned Salwa Judam ,another instance of hyper Judicial activism ??

 

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A recently retired judge from the Indian Supreme Court has launched a blistering attack on the country's police, accusing them of falsely implicating local Muslims in bomb attacks.

Markandey Katju, who retired from the top court last month, said Indian police were poorly trained in forensic investigations which meant they were unable to crack terror attack cases.

"The point is that they cannot catch the real culprits, so whomever they think may have committed the crime they catch hold of them," he said in an interview with cable news network NDTV broadcast late on Monday.

Training and equipment to conduct scientific investigations "is absent in India so it is done by suspicion. Some bomb blast takes place, they catch hold of the local Muslims and young people and implicate them," he added.

A string of bombings over the last two years have gone unsolved, including attacks on the IT hub of Bangalore, the holy city of Varanasi, the western city of Pune, commercial capital Mumbai and most recently New Delhi.

Katju said torture was regularly used to extract confessions, particularly in rural areas where local police inspectors needed to show quick results after a crime.

In the most recent miscarriage of justice highlighted in the Indian media, Imran Kirmani, a Kashmiri Muslim, was released after four and half years in jail after being falsely accused of plotting a major terror strike in 2006.

Katju, who is now head of the Press Council of India, said he was still in favour of the death penalty despite the problems in catching the real culprits.

During his time in the top court, he argued in favour of the death penalty for policemen found to have executed suspects, as well as perpetrators of so-called "honour killings" and murders motivated by dowry payments.

Capital punishment can be handed down by an Indian judge as a sentence for the "rarest of rare" crimes.

Indian bomb probes wrongly target Muslims: judge - Yahoo! News

He was a supreme court judge..does he not know that there is no case with no evidence??? It is the duty of the police to pick up "suspects", however, they did produce him in court didn't they???
Its his duty to check the evidence and give a verdict.

It's sad that the same concern is not shown in other countries over the plight of their own faith and minorities. Remember how they were super embarrassed after the Babri verdict when they went out on the streets and Indian Muslims didn't? ..thats fine they have always done that for other countries but conveniently forget ti do it for their own people. ..Seriously!!! Find a btter article Mr Billal..I'm sure you can!