Indian Navy News & Discussions

[gogbot]

wat Thailand have aircraft carrier?

Its not real carrier. Its very small.

HTMS Chakri Naruebet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is the smallest serving aircraft carrier in the world.

The ship has been largely inactive due to a shortage of funds after the Asian financial crisis. However, the ship has participated in training activities, and in disaster relief after the 2004 tsunami.

Sure INS Virat is not in the best shape either, nor are the sea harriers.

But

India is the only consistent operator of carriers. and is the only Asian nation with an aircraft carrier.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

Damn....Havent you people heard of fleet tankers?...

http://www.zeenews.com/news603740.html

INS Jyothi, INS Aditya...ring any bells?

 

[KEETARP]

Damn....Havent you people heard of fleet tankers?...

Indian Navy fleet tanker launched in Italy

INS Jyothi, INS Aditya...ring any bells?

Plz try and understand what we are discussing .
Its different from Fleet tankers , everyone knows abt them.
We are discussing prospect of a Tanker aircraft like E2D based Tanker for in-flight refueling, which can be launched from carrier by Catapult assistance.
Read the above posts and Line in article , i have even highlighted that.
Its possible that Journo made a mistake but when Statements are quoted they are generally in speaker's own words and not an article interpreted by journo.
Thnx

 

[flaming arrow]

I know abt Buddy refueling , even MIg29 K of ours have it. Nothing new

But read the line carefully it specifically mentions Tanker operating from AC. Could be Reporting mistake????.

Here it is-
Incidentally, a 65,000-tonne IAC-II is also on the drawing board. ‘‘It will be much bigger and capable of operating fighters, AEW (airborne early-warning) aircraft, tankers etc,’’ Admiral Verma said.

65000 tonne that would make IAC 2 the next big thin after the american super carriers,RN's ELIZABETH class carrier along with IAC will be naerly in the same category then...
It would be interesting to see the propulsion system which will be selected for IAC-2,after INS ARIHANT iam sure IAC 2 will be NUCLEAR POWERED
About the TANKER well iam sure its a mistake from the jounalist's side could have possibly mistaken it with the jet to jet (buddy)refuelling..anyways that hardly is an issue iam sure we will be getting some more article to read on the same topic to clear out the doubts

 

[Kinetic]

65000 tonne that would make IAC 2 the next big thin after the american super carriers,RN's ELIZABETH class carrier along with IAC will be naerly in the same category then...
It would be interesting to see the propulsion system which will be selected for IAC-2,after INS ARIHANT iam sure IAC 2 will be NUCLEAR POWERED
About the TANKER well iam sure its a mistake from the jounalist's side could have possibly mistaken it with the jet to jet (buddy)refuelling..anyways that hardly is an issue iam sure we will be getting some more article to read on the same topic to clear out the doubts

As far as I know both nuclear or GT propulsion systems are under consideration for the IAC-II. They have not finalized it yet. But sources indicates that nuclear propulsion has more chance.

As the navy chief said the IAC-II will carry small air-to-air refueler on board just like AEW.

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Got these updates from from today's ToI, full aticle of the above report....

* INS Vikramaditya will enter service by first half of 2013. Carrier cost $ 2.3 billion, plus 20 Mig-29K for 800 million (total 45 Mig-29K are on order) that means with supportive and logistics like AEW/ASW choppers the carrier will cost around $ 4 billion, with entire Vikramaditya CBG will be worth $ ~8 billion!!!

* INS Vikrant (IAC-I) will be launch by first half of 2011 and enter serive by 2014.

* 40 warships of various types are on order.

* As we know Navy already uses INSAT and IRS satellites but a dedicated communication satellite will be launched for the Navy by the end of this year.

* Second P-17 (INS Satpura) will enter service by the fourth quarter of this year and third (INS Sahyadri) by next year.

* First P-15A will enter service by mid-2012 and rests will follow.

* All new Krivak-IV frigates from Russia will enter service in between 2011/12.

* First of the two fleet tankers from Italy will enter service by early 2011.

 

[Kinetic]

Got these updates from from today's ToI, full aticle of the above report....

* INS Vikramaditya will enter service by first half of 2013. Carrier cost $ 2.3 billion, plus 20 Mig-29K for 800 million (total 45 Mig-29K are on order) that means with supportive and logistics like AEW/ASW choppers the carrier will cost around $ 4 billion, with entire Vikramaditya CBG will be worth $ ~8 billion!!!

* INS Vikrant (IAC-I) will be launch by first half of 2011 and enter serive by 2014.

* 40 warships of various types are on order.

* As we know Navy already uses INSAT and IRS satellites but a dedicated communication satellite will be launched for the Navy by the end of this year.

* Second P-17 (INS Satpura) will enter service by the fourth quarter of this year and third (INS Sahyadri) by next year.

* First P-15A will enter service by mid-2012 and rests will follow.

* All new Krivak-IV frigates from Russia will enter service in between 2011/12.

* First of the two fleet tankers from Italy will enter service by early 2011.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

Plz try and understand what we are discussing .
Its different from Fleet tankers , everyone knows abt them.
We are discussing prospect of a Tanker aircraft like E2D based Tanker for in-flight refueling, which can be launched from carrier by Catapult assistance.
Read the above posts and Line in article , i have even highlighted that.
Its possible that Journo made a mistake but when Statements are quoted they are generally in speaker's own words and not an article interpreted by journo.
Thnx

sorry my bad....

 

[brahmastra]

what air defence ship we use or planning for vikramaditya?

 

[Dash]

Hi All -

By 2014-2015, we should have two full-fledged CBGs, with their accompanying fighters and other aircraft, destroyers, frigates and tankers. It will make a huge difference,’’ said Navy chief Admiral Nirmal Verma, talking exclusively to TOI

I am a little confused always when IN talks about CBGs based on our aircraft carriers.
As we all know CBGs will need dedicated attack Subs, frigates, destroyers. I dont see a full fledged CBG when we have a depleting sub strength.

I will be very happy to have CBGs however I just dont see that coming before 2017, coz the first lines off scorpenes will be ready by then.

So 2014 is not very likely.

Please feel free comment.

 

[Kinetic]

what air defence ship we use or planning for vikramaditya?

Vikramaditya is an air defence ship on her own! Remember before naming IAC, it was called Air Defence Ship (ADS)? If you talk about supportive ships of the carrier than P-15A ships will be the best.

 

[Kinetic]

Hi All -




I am a little confused always when IN talks about CBGs based on our aircraft carriers.
As we all know CBGs will need dedicated attack Subs, frigates, destroyers. I dont see a full fledged CBG when we have a depleting sub strength.

I will be very happy to have CBGs however I just dont see that coming before 2017, coz the first lines off scorpenes will be ready by then.

So 2014 is not very likely.

Please feel free comment.

By then India will have two Akula-II SSN and atleast two Scorpenes. I guess each CBG will come up with one Akula-II and one Scorpene. First Scorpene delayed till 2014 but we will get second and third one very fast.

 

[flaming arrow]

By then India will have two Akula-II SSN and atleast two Scorpenes. I guess each CBG will come up with one Akula-II and one Scorpene. First Scorpene delayed till 2014 but we will get second and third one very fast.

don't forget to add ARIHANT

 

[Dash]

By then India will have two Akula-II SSN and atleast two Scorpenes. I guess each CBG will come up with one Akula-II and one Scorpene. First Scorpene delayed till 2014 but we will get second and third one very fast.

Akulla II will not escort any carrier group rather assist IN in learning N-Sub operations, So that is out of question.

We all know we will have only 9 subs left for operations by another 2 year.

By looking at the veriety of operations done by subs we can say the available number of subs for shore patrol and CBG escorts will solely depend on the attack subs. Arihant is not going to be commisioned very soon too.

And if 2 scorpenes come that time they will busy in patrol operation rather than escorting CBGs.

2014 is optimistic, lets see....

 

[Kinetic]

don't forget to add ARIHANT

Arihant is a SSBN it has other job to do than fighting!

 

[Kinetic]

Akulla II will not escort any carrier group rather assist IN in learning N-Sub operations, So that is out of question.

India not leasing Akula for 10 years to just train her submariners. It can be done without leasing. Two Akula will be part of two CBGs.

We all know we will have only 9 subs left for operations by another 2 year.

We have 10 kilo class submarines alone how it will be reduced to 9?

By looking at the variety of operations done by subs we can say the available number of subs for shore patrol and CBG escorts will solely depend on the attack subs. Arihant is not going to be commissioned very soon too.

First Arihant is not an attack submarine it is a SSBN. Akula-II will for the basis of CBGs as I told earlier. The shore petrol will be done by P-28, Kilo, P-8I.

And if 2 scorpenes come that time they will busy in patrol operation rather than escorting CBGs.

2014 is optimistic, lets see....

Kilo have been upgraded with latest sensors and weapons for patrolling. They will be supported by upcoming Scorpenes along with P-28, P-8I.