Indian Navy News & Discussions

[Yasser76]

Ignorant ??

Sorry but you were spreading misinformation about my country .

And german has withdrawn because they don't wanna share those technologies which we were asking for especially their hull tech and aip PEM tech , as they are proven ones , and DND can make a ssk but it's more of a timeline issue .

And talking of empty pocket , i am recalling name of a country who need credit lines for purchase of equipment

Believe what BS you want, there is a reason now most defence companies no longer attend Indian defence shows with their planes anymore.....

 

[Yasser76]

Companies go where they want orders , india has already set its mind on rafale follow on .

And presentation are as per theme , this year it was indigenization , next year we are having def expo see fir yourself

For a new starter on this forum and unsure what former ID you were on here, you display the usual BS of past Indian posters who were banned.

Additional Rafale order exists only in the Indian defence section of this forum and in the dreams of some RSS run Indian defence sites.

With two years of crippling economy after Covid India will struggle to make payments on it's existing orders, and add the cost of massive increase in LAC presence you will see massive cut backs in defence procurement.

Let me clear things up for you

1) No additional 57 fighters for Navy
2) No 3rd carrier
3) No new line of subs order even placed yet and this not expected for another decade
4) Plans to build KA choppers in India on hold
5) Plans to build AK rifle in India on hold
6) No more new Arjun orders
7) Past 10 years and still no new Phalcon orders despite this being "imminent"...
8) P-8 orders cut back
9) Full Jaguar upgrade abandoned
10) No SU-30 upgrade inked yet


This was all effected PRE COVID and LAC issues. Imagine what will happen in next 3-4 years for Indian defence projects.

 

[Yasser76]

Hstdv tested and fast tracked

Amca project getting huge funding

Ghatak ucav scaled down model under trials.

Ak 203 deal issues ironing out to remove royalty clause .

Navy focussing on tedbf , as others aren't totally made for their needs .

3 rd aircraft carrier delayed for maturity of tech and SSN program .

P75i is delayed for more specific demands in tender , and deal is set to be signed in 2022-23 .

Arihant class construction almost complete , follow on s5 boomer will go in construction from 2022-23 .

Kamov helicopter are not required as indigenous counterpart us available , navy wants private secotr involvement and HAL is a manufacturing agency itself so issue us there , orders will come soon .

People been crying here for mraps ,while india placed huge order for mahindra alsv .

7 frigates and 4 destroyer made in indian shipyard will join service by 2025 , 2 extra from russia will come too .

Next generation frigates and destroyer taking shape .

Tejas mk1a ff 2022 , mk2 2023 , 13 new tejas ready for induction , being tested for new missile like astra bvraam , etc .

For rafale follow on order , iaf sent it's contingent to Dassault , safran will start some m88 components production in india .

Uttam aesa production variant under assembly .

Jv details with RR for indigenous engine under discussion phase and preliminary survey is being conducted .

Netra mk2 order to be place soon officially , radar module is ready and tested .

Drdo tdv vessel ready and fitting out to test indigenous long range marine radar capable of not only mfr but also ballastic missile testing .

Astra mk2 assembled , ground testing Being conducted , flight trials this year .

So those who only knows about how to ask for line of credit should be silent on indian defence atleast .

Indian economy lost almost a full pakistan economy in a year , and will gain it back this year , so you should not comment on whether we can afford or not IT IS WHETHER WE WANT PRODUCT A OR PRODUCT B .

Every single project you listed is claimed and may have no orders even signed or does not exits , everyone on this forum has got past this BS now.

AMCA - no orders, not even flown
Ghatak - No orders
Tejas MK1A - Not even flown
Rafale - No second order
Uttmam - No orders
Netra - No orders
Astra 2 - No orders

Please point out if anything I have listed above is factually incorrect.

 

[Yasser76]

Netra mk1 in service , mk2 cleared by ccs for development and testing , planes being procured from air india fleet .

Astra mk1 ordered in 250 number , follow on order will be done after retirement of soon retiring russian missile . Mk2 will be ordered after it complete user trials .

Amca order after ff , tejas mk1a all sub system flown seperately , ff in 2022

Ghatak will be flown in 2025 .

Uttam is already clear for production and 40 mk1a will be uttam equipped .

And if you talk of BS , this forum was doing jf 17 induction from atleast two years , and j10 c to be landed soon .

Slcm project to be inducted in 2024 alongwith alcm , itcm .

Indigenous brahmos equivalent but half of weight under development and induction before 2025.

Hstdv based missile development started , if third test is also done successfully then missile development can begin in full phase .


Where are pakistani hypersonic missile , bvr missile , standoff atgm of 15 km+ range , where is supersonic ashm , where is indigenous sam missile .

Akash ng has been tested thrice till now ,with last test being done with seeker and manuverability test .

Aesa ku band seeker been tested (development complete ) for astra and akash series .

Akash export orders are invited

Again, was I rong in any of the below factually? you did not answer, just a typical load of crap written in the hope people lose track of the main issue which you fail to address in a concise way. Your style of writing is also typical of some of the Indian members who were banned.

Who mare you really?

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

INS Shivalik and INS Kadmatt are in Guam for Malabar 2021

Images by the Navy
And some shots from half way across the world

INS Tabar during Ex Konkan alongside the Duke Class ASW frigate HMS Westminster

The Indian Navy completed a four-day visit to Portsmouth with an intensive workout above, on and beneath the waves with frigate HMS Westminster in the Channel.
INS Tabar – Sanskrit for Battleaxe – spent the weekend in the city on the latest leg of her European deployment.
Waiting for the Mumbai-based frigate as she left Portsmouth Harbour yesterday morning was HMS Westminster, ready for the annual combined exercise for the two Commonwealth navies.
Given the constant presence of Royal Navy warships in the Gulf region, Konkan is typically hosted by the Indians off the namesake coastline which stretches for several hundred miles along the sub-continent’s western shores.
But when Indian warships venture into European waters, the Royal Navy acts as hosts and the action shifts to the South Coast Exercise Areas.
The two frigates sailed in company through the Solent. Upon reaching the open waters of the Channel they conducted Officer of the Watch Manoeuvres, deft, close manoeuvres, sometimes at high speed, to test bridge teams and their ability to communicate effectively.
Thereafter lines were passed between the two ships as they practised transferring stores on the move – replenishment at sea – then broke off for warfare training.
Gunnery teams coordinated their small arms fire to send the Killer Cherry Tomato target to the bottom of the Channel.
Then the pair practised passing tactical information, tracking targets over the horizon then sharing that information for the other vessel to ‘engage’.
The surface target was simulated; the aerial threat was real: a Falcon jet from Bournemouth which pretended to be an enemy fighter bearing down on Westminster and Tabar.
They flashed up their air defence missile systems – Sea Ceptor on the Royal Navy warship, Shtil on the Indian vessel to prove the effectiveness of both.

Images and writeup by RN

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

A2A shot of the best Sub hunter in service

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

The Mighty Bear, splendid to see her parked in Vishakhapatnam

The fastest Turboprop to ever fly
Image shared by Twitter user @Alpha_Beeta_

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

Images by MoD Japan (Exercise Malabar)

(Glad to see the HAL Chetak)
The 6200T Shivalik with her new low vis markings

The X shaped hull INS Kadmatt

 

[Gripen9]

INS Shivalik and INS Kadmatt are in Guam for Malabar 2021

Indian Navy still has the St Georges Cross in its flag?

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

Indian Navy still has the St Georges Cross in its flag?

More or less, the ensign is customized but based on the Royal Navy ensign

 

[Gripen9]

More or less, the ensign is customized but based on the Royal Navy ensign

Interesting. Since India is no longer a British dominion.

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

Spectacular video by the Navy! The MiG-29Ks look menacing!

Interesting looking warship at 3 minutes

 

[SMX 3.0]

IAC 1 ''Vikrant''

DRDO Technology Demonstrator Vessel ''Anvesh''

 

[SMX 3.0]

Maybe realised a;ready no money left in the pot.

Hmm, No. During the last covid hit year, India spend $19 billion on defence capex which is it's highest ever. As for the Navy,

2) No 3rd carrier

Why order it now? Do you know how carriers (or any ship for that matter) are built?

4) Plans to build KA choppers in India on hold

And LOI for HAL's own LUH is issued, a ~$500 million new helicopter manufacturing plant is being built for the same.

Also, $2 billion worth of orders for 24 MH-60R is being delivered.

Tejas MK1A - Not even flown
Uttmam - No orders

Tejas Mk1A is already ordered, and Uttam is a subsystem of the same. It's as stupid as claiming that Arleigh Burke-class destroyers were ordered but LM2500 GTs weren't.

Since this is a Navy thread, let me calculate the value of outstanding shipbuilding orders placed by the Navy.

IAC1: 21,000 Cr (already paid, I guess)
4 P15B destroyer: 35,800 Cr
7 P17A Frigate: 49,000 Cr
4 Upgraded Talwar Class: 13,000 Cr
6 Next Gen Missile Vessel: 10,000 Cr.
16 ASW Shallow Water Craft: 16,000 Cr
Scorpenes (2 more): 9000 Cr
2 Diving Support Vessel: 2019 Cr
4 Survey Vessel Large: 2000 Cr

That's $19 billion worth of vessels on order even without counting the IAC, many more to be placed soon.

I haven't calculated the value of SSBNs, Missile testbeds (see the vessel on previous post), MRIS etc. That will take combined value to near ~$25 billion I guess.

Interesting looking warship at 3 minutes

That's a merchant vessel. Looks like it's a heavy lift vessel carrying Quay cranes.

 

[SMX 3.0]

Since this is a Navy thread, let me calculate the value of outstanding shipbuilding orders placed by the Navy.

1X Project-71 Vikrant-Class Aircraft Carrier

4X Project-15B Visakhapatnam-class Destroyers

7X Project-17A Nilgiri-class Frigates

4X Upgraded Talwar-class Frigates

2X Kalvari-Class SSKs

6X Next Generation Missile Vessels (no official renders, hence this)

16X ASW Shallow Water Cafts (Corvettes)

1X Missile Range Instrumentation Ship

2X Diving Support Ships

1X DRDO Technology Demonstration Vessel (Floating testbed)

4X Survey Vessel Large

Oh look, such a brankrupt Navy. We might have to resort to putting guns on fishing boats and canoes now.