Indian Navy News & Discussions

[sancho]

I agree with Sancho, who ever wrote this article has very little idea on whats going on.

The Indian Navy announced long back its interest in the F-35-B for its carriers.

The only reason i could see for the IN to pay for new fighters.
Is due to the MMRCA deal, and the cost effective benefits it would have if the IN and IAF choose the Same plane.

But between the Mig and Tejas there realy isnt any room on our carrier for a third aircraft. with clear benefit.

The only reason i can see is that IN is just testing the waters so to speak for options on what planed to get IF the British sell their brand new carrier (CFV).

Newer and more capable fighters would be a good idea imo, but the problem is that Gorshkov is a combined deal with Mig 29K. If we have to take them anyway, it is logical to buy more for the second carrier too.
The british carrier is a different case, because it is not meant for air defense and sea control in the Indian Ocean like Gorshkov and the Vikrant class. This bigger carrier is to expand our power to a longer distance, obviously with China in mind. For such a carrier, neither N-LCA, or Mig 29K are capable enough, that's why this carrier for sure must have at least Rafale, F18SH, or better F35, N-FGFA!
By the fact that this carrier is not laid down and will only be ready by 2018, or later N-FGFA could be an option.
What is more interesting to me is, what layout this carrier would have? Britain pland with STOVL, but no other fighter than the F35B can be used with this config. If we can buy it, I think we will get the same CATOBAR config that was proposed for the French Porte-Avions 2 carrier:

Future French aircraft carrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That would explain why IN is interested in EMALS and E-2D!

Personally, I would love to see a bigger carrier with a mixed airwing of N-FGFA for air superiority, F35C for strikes (better weapons in this field) and E-2D as AEW aircrafts.
But if we buy that carrier, we should get the licence production rights to build another one in India too. We need at least 2 of them to have one always operational.

 

[RPK]

Indian Navy awarded for its role in fighting piracy

Commending the role of Indian navy in fighting pirates at the Gulf of Aden, the world's maritime controlling agency has awarded a special certificate to the forces.

A special 'Certificate of Commendation' was presented to the navy, which had deployed twelve ships off the coast of Somalia till July 2009 by the London-based UN agency, International Maritime Organisation.

Commodore P K Banerjee, Naval Adviser in London and also the commanding officer of one of the warships, which took part in international anti-piracy patrols received the award from E E Mitropoulos, IMO Secretary General at a ceremony held here.

Nalin Surie, the High Commissioner of India to UK, Georg Boomgaarden, Ambassador of the Federal Republic of Germany and President of IMO Assembly, were among dignitaries present on the occasion.

Indian naval ships have escorted about 700 merchant ships, including 600 foreign-flagged vessels from over 45 countries, during anti-piracy patrols in the Gulf of Aden since October 2008.

The award ceremony coincided with the inauguration of the 26th Regular Session of the IMO Assembly here.

 

[RPK]

India to have integrated coastal security: Antony

A day before the first anniversary of the attack on Mumbai by sea-borne terrorists, Defence Minister AK Antony on Wednesday said an integrated approach has been put in place for the security of country's 7,516-km long shoreline.

Replying to a question in the Lok Sabha, Antony said that to check the effectiveness of the new system, joint and operational exercises between navy, the Coast Guard, police and customs are being under taken.

"The government has accorded top priority to coastal security and for this an integrated approach has been put in place. The intelligence-sharing mechanism has been streamlined through the creation of joint operation centres and multi-agency coordination mechanism," Antony said.

"Surface and air surveillance has been enhanced by the Indian Navy and the Coast Guard ships and aircraft all along the coast and in all offshore development areas," said Antony.

Ten armed terrorists sneaked into Mumbai undetected through its coast on Nov 26 last year and unleashed a mayhem for the next 60 hours. The attack left over 170 people, including many foreign nationals, killed.

"Further, joint and operational exercises are taking place between the navy, the Coast Guard, police and customs in order to check the effectiveness of the new systems.

"The centre is funding the states and union territories through coastal security scheme for the operationalisation of coastal police stations, patrol boats etc. The Indian Coast Guard has also trained 1,515 state police personnel," Antony added.

 

[jaunty]

 

[sudhir007]

Gorshkov deal unlikely during PM’s Russia visit: Antony

The revised deal for the Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov that the Indian Navy has purchased is unlikely to be clinched

during Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s Moscow visit next month, Defence Minister AK Antony said on Friday.

“No, it is not,” Antony said when asked if the revised deal for the ship could be signed during the visit.

Antony was speaking on the sidelines of a seminar organised by the Institute of Defence Studies and Analyses here Friday.

However, senior naval officials say that there have been “positive developments” in the negotiations on the final price for the refurbishment of the aircraft carrier, which will be inducted in the Indian Navy as INS Vikramaditya.

“There have been positive developments in the sense that the Russians have agreed to not to escalate the cost further and to justify the price quoted so far,” said a naval officer, requesting anonymity.

A 40-member Russian delegation was in New Delhi earlier to discuss the price hike issue.

The price negotiations for Gorshkov have dragged on for long with both sides refusing to budge from their stands. The Russians are now demanding $2.9 billion for the carrier, whereas the Indians are asking them to climb down to $2.1 billion. This is against the original price of $1.5 billion that had been agreed to.

However, the officer said that till such time a final price tag is fixed for the 45,000 tonne Kiev class carrier, work on the vessel will progress at the usual pace.

“That is the agreement between the two sides that the work on the aircraft carrier would not be stalled. The delivery schedule of 2012 will be honoured. India has released about $650 million so far for the re-fitting work,” the officer added.

The price negotiations failed to make any headway even during Antony’s visit to Russia in October.

India had paid around $650 million initially after an agreement between the two countries in 2004, according to which the aircraft carrier was gifted free but India was to pay $974 million to modify and upgrade it to the Indian Navy’s specifications. The balance of the $1.5 billion was for the 16 MiG-29 jets, as also Kamov anti-submarine warfare helicopters that will be deployed on the ship.

In 2007, however, the Russians said they had made a mistake in their calculations to repair and modify the vessel, and demanded another $1.2 billion. Recently, they added another $700 million to the bill, saying the modifications and the subsequent sea trials would be more expensive than estimated earlier.

The delivery of the aircraft carrier has also been pushed from 2008 to 2012. The ship is being re-fitted the Sevmash shipyard in north Russia’s Arctic coast.

Gorshkov deal unlikely during PM’s Russia visit: Antony IDRW.ORG

 

[sudhir007]

Russia floats out first frigate for Indian Navy

A Russian shipyard floated out the first of three frigates for India’s Navy on Friday, a company spokesman said.

“The first of three Project 11356 frigates the company is building on an Indian order has been floated out,” Sergei Mikhailov of the Yantar shipyard in Russia’s Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad said.

The warships will become modified Krivak III class (also known as Talwar class) guided missile frigates for the Indian Navy under a $1.6 billion contract signed in July, 2006.

Mikhailov previously said sea trials would not start straight away as “post-construction work” was still to be carried out. The trials should start in 2010, he said.

The shipyard is to deliver the last warship to India in 2011-2012.

He said the ceremony was attended by senior Russian and Indian military and civilian officials.

“The ship was given a traditional ‘baptism,’ when prayers were read in Sanskrit,” Mikhailov said. “India’s consul general to St.Petersburg, Radhika Lokesh, was the godmother and smashed a coconut against the frigate. And a Russian shipyard worker smashed a bottle of Champagne, according to Russian tradition.”

The new frigates will be armed with eight BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles.

They will be also equipped with a 100-mm gun, a Shtil surface-to-air missile system, two Kashtan air-defense gun/missile systems, two twin 533-mm torpedo launchers, and an anti-submarine warfare helicopter.

In an earlier interview with RIA Novosti, Yantar’s Director Igor Orlov said the shipyard is in talks with Russia’s Vnesheconombank on “a $60 million loan to complete the construction of the three frigates for the Indian Navy.”

Russia floats out first frigate for Indian Navy IDRW.ORG

 

[holysaturn]

will these hav baraks or the russian kashtans

 

[SU-57E]

the latest news is britsh ministry of defence have rubbished the guardian's report of the sale of QUEEN ELIZABETH.. so i guess this is the end of thsi....

 

[Iggy]

the latest news is britsh ministry of defence have rubbished the guardian's report of the sale of QUEEN ELIZABETH.. so i guess this is the end of thsi....

Yupzz abrupt end to a wonderful dream

 

[SU-57E]

well not much worry.. any ways that was going to be available only in 2018-2020.. anyhow personnaly i think more than 3 carriers would have been a waste of money.. lets not our dreams rule our sanity.. it would be better if we concentrate more on nuclear subs and building the nuclear triads with some SSBNs, some stealth frigates, some destroyers and some ships on the line of INS-JALASHWA with offcorse advanced technology.

 

[gogbot]

well not much worry.. any ways that was going to be available only in 2018-2020.. anyhow personnaly i think more than 3 carriers would have been a waste of money.. lets not our dreams rule our sanity.. it would be better if we concentrate more on nuclear subs and building the nuclear triads with some SSBNs, some stealth frigates, some destroyers and some ships on the line of INS-JALASHWA with offcorse advanced technology.

That's not gonna cut it, the Chinese want 5 carriers by 2025.
2 of them nuclear powered.

We cant handle anymore slack.

we need at least 5 carriers. and 7 to effectively project power.
Not to mention all the fleets that are needed to make up that 7 battle groups. And their Ancillary and auxilliary ships and subs.

I though this British Ship was the answer to our problem in the short term.

But with that being more unlikely.

that leaves us with the task of Building 7 battle groups over the next 20 years.

either that or we might as well secede Indian Ocean supremacy to China

 

[SU-57E]

that is not going to happen... its difficult to build 5 carriers in 15 years even for chinese at first hand... even if they do .. building is one thing and mastering them is altogether other thing.. specially when you dont have any experiance....
however let chinese induct its first carrier then see.. what happens... indian navy will go on shopping spree .who knows we may se 3-4 nuclear powered carriers in addition to these already mentioned ones...
although i am most concerned about the number of submarines...

 

[Tejas-MkII]

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Navy's hunt for new carrier-operated fighters begins

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Share Print E-mail Comment[ - ] Text [ + ]STAFF WRITER 9:32 HRS IST
New Delhi, Nov 29 (PTI) The Navy has launched a hunt for a new set of fighter jets to operate from the aircraft carriers it will have in service five to six years from now.

Navy sources said here today that the force has issued a Request for Information (RFI) to global aviation majors, including American Boeing, Russian MiG and French D'Assault, ahead of issuing a tender for the aircraft.

Though the RFI is of a 'generic' nature, it could ultimately lead to a tender (or Request for Proposal) and the initial requirement would be for 16 aircraft with provision for follow-up orders of up to 40 aircraft, sources said.

The deck-based aircraft are required by the Navy to operate from its three 40,000-tonne Indigenous Aircraft Carriers (IAC) being built at the Cochin Shipyard. The delivery of the first IAC is expected around 2015.

 

[RPK]

Vizag Navy Fair attracts visitors


Ahead of Navy Day, a three-day Navy Mela (Navy fair), an educative and inspirational exhibition by the sea warriors of the Eastern Naval Command and local business establishments began at Visakhapatnam.Indian Navy celebrates December 4 as Navy Day.

Rear Admiral Raman Prabhat, the Admiral Superintendent of the Naval Dockyard, Visakhapatnam, inaugurated the exhibition on Friday.
On this Navy Mela, visitors will be given an opportunity to visit the naval base of the Eastern Naval Command and the docks to see vignettes of the life of sea warriors on the shores as well as on the high seas.

Twenty stalls showcase the saga of Indian Navy at this fair.

The Municipal Corporation, financial institutions, IT firms, electronic and consumer durables including non-governmental organisations such as Akshay Patra and Brahma Kumaris Mission, have put up over 100 other stalls.

Speaking on the occasion, Rear Admiral Raman Prabhat said that the exhibition will help create awareness about the Indian Navy to public.

“The second and more important function is to make available to the local population of Vizag (Visakhapatnam) and the citizens of Vizag and especially the youth of Vizag, make them aware what the Navy is and make them understand what the navy is all about and if you go down the stalls, you will find there are various functions which are depicted – operational function, militants functions, logistics function; we have models of ships, submarines, aircrafts, how they work. Anybody going there will understand exactly what is happening over there,” said Rear Admiral Prabhat.

Besides, the visitors will also get to hear the musical performances by an orchestra and the Indian Navy’s Band.

Assorted entertainment stalls also happen to be the highlight of this Navy Mela.

 

[RPK]

Three Naval ships open to the public in Porbandar today



To celebrate Navy week, the Indian Navy today threw open three state-of-the-art Naval ships: Betwa, Vidyut and Tabar at all-weather port in Porbandar for general public.

All three naval frigates are equipped with modern radar, missile and other combat facilities.

Naval ships are open for general public between 10 am to 5 pm today. ‘A day at sea’ event has been organized for invited guests off Porbandar coast on 2 December.

Navy’s rescue exercises will be showcased in the evening at Porbandar chowpatty.

Navy band will present its live performance on this occasion.

The range of events are being organized to celebrate Navy week.

INS Betwa

INS Betwa (F39) is a Brahmaputra class guided missile frigate currently in service with the Indian Navy. It is named for the Betwa River.

During Operation Cactus, the Indian Navy was called in to rescue the Maldivian hostages taken by Sri Lankan mercenaries off the coast of Sri Lanka. INS Godavari (F20) and INS Betwa captured the freighter, rescued the hostages and arrested the mercenaries near the Sri Lankan coast.

INS Betwa was a part of Task Force 54, returning from the Mediterranean, when the 2006 Israel-Lebanon Conflict broke out. As a part of Operation Sukoon, INS Betwa participated in the evacuation of Indian citizens from Lebanon to Cyprus.

INS Tabar

INS Tabar (F44) (translated as battle axe) is the third of the Talwar-class frigates of the Indian Navy. The frigate was commissioned on 19 April 2004 in Kaliningrad, Russia. INS Tabar is the first vessel in the Talwar class to be armed with supersonic BrahMos (PJ-10) anti-ship cruise missiles. She is also equipped with Barak missiles.The commissioning CO of Tabar was Capt.Ag Thapliyal

After a 12 port commissioning cruise INS Tabar reached her homeport of Mumbai 31 July 2004. Along with her sister ships INS Talwar (sword in Sanskrit) and INS Trishul (trident in Sanskrit), INS Tabar is assigned to Indian Navy’s Western Naval Command, headquartered in Mumbai. INS Tabar is a well-equipped warship that has the ability to handle air/surface/sub-surface missions or defending herself operating either independently on maritime missions or supporting a larger naval task force.

On 11 November 2008, the INS Tabar was called into action to fight off a pirate attack on an Indian ship, the 38,265-tonne bulk carrier owned by the Mumbai-based Great Eastern Shipping Company Jag Arnav, and a Saudi-registered vessel, MV Timaha.

Just over a week after the MV Jav Arnav incident, on 19 November, 2008, the Indian Navy reported that the INS Tabar had come under attack from pirates. The INS Tabar crew requested that the pirate vessel stop to allow a search, but the pirates responded with a threat to sink the INS Tabar if it came any closer. The pirates then opened fire on the INS Tabar before the India navy responded by returning fire. After the retaliatory strike, it was reported that a large explosion occurred on the pirate vessel, rumoured to have been caused by the pirates’ weapons cache. The attack continued for about three to four more hours, and resulted in the sinking of the pirate’s “mother ship”. The INS Tabar also forced the abandonment of another pirate vessel, while several pirates managed to escape via a speedboat under the cover of darkness.

Reports later surfaced that the sunken “mothership” was originally a Thai fishing trawler, the Ekawat Nava 5, captured by the pirates which still had the Thai crew captive on-board.

INS Vidyut

INS Vidyut (K48) is a Veer class corvette, currently in active service with the Indian Navy.