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Why not more Phalcons for the Navy instead of E-2D ? Atleast till the time our Carriers cant support the E-2's.
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Malay.. as mentioned, we cannot launch any AWACS/AEW platforms from our carriers due the absence of catapults. It is very difficult for a turboprop to take off from an aircraft carrier without catapults and they do not have after-burning jet engines. Whether Phalcon on E2D, they will be land based. The E2D is a specialised naval AWACS platform and needs a smaller aircraft. For limited AWACS and AEW from carriers, we do have the Ka-31 helicopters in the IN.
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Exactly, the Gulfstream Phalcon is on offer for the navy too, why should they go for a different system? Not to forget that DRDO AWACS on EMB 145 would be a cost-effective solution. As long there are no CTOL carriers E-2D are not needed.
Talking about Ka 31, if I'm not wrong IN ordered 6 more for the new carriers right? Was it a combined deal like the Mig 29Ks with the Gorshkov? If not, wasn't there a competition because just like you said, they have really a limited performance.
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The radar is the E-801M OKO ("EYE") designed by the Nizhny Novgorod Radio Engineering Institute. Though officially designated as a radar picket, many upgrades have uprated it to a AWACS class craft.
The operation with the Indian Navy revealed a major drawback of the aircraft, its limited endurance/range, the chief element of a Taskforce/Battlegroup. So, HAL was commissioned to experiment and possibly adapt a helicopter-to-helicopter refuelling system. Also, in the Indian service, the aircraft received Abris GPS system featuring a 12-channel receiver and option to employ Differential GPS references, designed by the Kronstad itself.
The later batches featured navigational equipment for digital terrain maps, ground-proximity warning, obstacle approach warning, auto-navigation of pre-programmed routes, flight stabilization and auto homing onto and landing at the parent carrier/base and information concerning the helicopter's tactical situation.
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I know the specs of Ka 31 and specially compared to the AW 101 AEW, it shows the inferiority. That's why I asked if IN had a choice, or if it was a combined deal with the carrier?
Ka 31:
Maximum speed: 250 km/h (135 knots, 166 mph)
Cruise speed: 205 km/h (110 knots, 126 mph)
Range: 250 km (324 nautical miles)
Service ceiling: 3500 meters (11,483 feet)
AW 101:
Never exceed speed: 309 km/h (167 knots, 192 mph)
Range: 1,389 km (750 nm, 863 mi)
Service ceiling: 4,575 m (15,000ft)
I know the specs of Ka 31 and specially compared to the AW 101 AEW, it shows the inferiority. That's why I asked if IN had a choice, or if it was a combined deal with the carrier?
Ka 31:
Maximum speed: 250 km/h (135 knots, 166 mph)
Cruise speed: 205 km/h (110 knots, 126 mph)
Range: 250 km (324 nautical miles)
Service ceiling: 3500 meters (11,483 feet)
AW 101:
Never exceed speed: 309 km/h (167 knots, 192 mph)
Range: 1,389 km (750 nm, 863 mi)
Service ceiling: 4,575 m (15,000ft)
Navy to get its own eye in the sky by '10
NEW DELHI: The armed forces are now gearing up to storm the final frontier of space. India's first dedicated military satellite, a naval
communications one, will finally be up and running in the sky early next year.
The naval satellite's launch by Isro will be followed by separate IAF and Army ones in 2011-2012. This is in tune with the Defence Space Vision-2020, which identifies intelligence, reconnaissance, surveillance, communication and navigation as the thrust areas in Phase-I till 2012.
"Navy's efforts towards network-centric operations and leveraging information technology are laudable. The naval communication satellite's launch next year will significantly improve connectivity at sea," said defence minister A K Antony, addressing the naval top brass on Thursday.
The geo-stationary satellite, which will have a 600-1,000 nautical mile footprint over the Indian Ocean Region, will enable Navy to network all its warships, submarines and aircraft with operational centres ashore through high-speed data-links. "It will be a quantum jump from the existing 'platform-centric operations'.
Detection of a hostile action or target can then be shared by the entire fleet and command centres on land in real time to ensure swift reaction," said an officer. "Communications will be over secure channels, unlike the present high-frequency radio waves which can be intercepted. The over-the-sea satellite will help in communications, imaging and mapping," he added.
But this does not mean India is anywhere near having something like "star wars" capabilities, with the government even reluctant to establish a full-fledged Aerospace Command despite the armed forces demanding it for years. India does have a gilt-edged civilian space programme but its military use of space has been quite rudimentary till now. This when countries like China have surged far ahead, and are even developing anti-satellite (ASAT) missiles, lasers and other offensive space capabilities.
Military experts say India needs dedicated military satellites for "real-time" communications and reconnaissance missions to keep closer tabs on troop movements, missile silos, military installations and airbases of neighbouring countries.
But it must steam ahead with robust space programmes for missile early-warning, delivery of precision-guided munitions through satellite signals and jamming enemy networks, among other capabilities.
Development of ASAT capabilities with "direct-ascent" missiles, hit-to-kill "kinetic" and directed-energy laser weapons, of course, also needs to gain further momentum.
Navy to get its own eye in the sky by '10 - India - The Times of India
NEW DELHI: The armed forces are now gearing up to storm the final frontier of space. India's first dedicated military satellite, a naval
communications one, will finally be up and running in the sky early next year.
The naval satellite's launch by Isro will be followed by separate IAF and Army ones in 2011-2012. This is in tune with the Defence Space Vision-2020, which identifies intelligence, reconnaissance, surveillance, communication and navigation as the thrust areas in Phase-I till 2012.
"Navy's efforts towards network-centric operations and leveraging information technology are laudable. The naval communication satellite's launch next year will significantly improve connectivity at sea," said defence minister A K Antony, addressing the naval top brass on Thursday.
The geo-stationary satellite, which will have a 600-1,000 nautical mile footprint over the Indian Ocean Region, will enable Navy to network all its warships, submarines and aircraft with operational centres ashore through high-speed data-links. "It will be a quantum jump from the existing 'platform-centric operations'.
Detection of a hostile action or target can then be shared by the entire fleet and command centres on land in real time to ensure swift reaction," said an officer. "Communications will be over secure channels, unlike the present high-frequency radio waves which can be intercepted. The over-the-sea satellite will help in communications, imaging and mapping," he added.
But this does not mean India is anywhere near having something like "star wars" capabilities, with the government even reluctant to establish a full-fledged Aerospace Command despite the armed forces demanding it for years. India does have a gilt-edged civilian space programme but its military use of space has been quite rudimentary till now. This when countries like China have surged far ahead, and are even developing anti-satellite (ASAT) missiles, lasers and other offensive space capabilities.
Military experts say India needs dedicated military satellites for "real-time" communications and reconnaissance missions to keep closer tabs on troop movements, missile silos, military installations and airbases of neighbouring countries.
But it must steam ahead with robust space programmes for missile early-warning, delivery of precision-guided munitions through satellite signals and jamming enemy networks, among other capabilities.
Development of ASAT capabilities with "direct-ascent" missiles, hit-to-kill "kinetic" and directed-energy laser weapons, of course, also needs to gain further momentum.
Navy to get its own eye in the sky by '10 - India - The Times of India
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^^^^ looks like new one! 
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And costs nearly that much!^^^^ looks like new one!
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Viraat to be back in action in a week
NEW DELHI: The ‘mother’ will be back in action soon. With power projection being the name of the game, India is finally ready to once again deploy its solitary aircraft carrier INS Viraat on the high seas after an almost two-year gap.
INS Viraat is now on the verge of completing its ‘sea-acceptance trials’ and ‘work-up phase’ off Mumbai after an 18-month-long comprehensive refit in Mumbai and Kochi to increase its longevity as well as upgrade its weapon and sensor packages.
Coincidentally enough, the 28,000-tonne old warhorse will also be completing its 50th year as an operational warship this November. Originally commissioned in the British Royal Navy as HMS Hermes in November 1959, it was inducted into the Indian Navy in May 1987.
‘‘Even British officers, who have served on her, are stunned we have managed to prolong its operational life so much. After this refit, it will serve us for at least five years more. It should be ‘full-ops’ in a week or so,’’ said a senior officer.
While Navy is justifiably proud of getting INS Viraat back in action, it’s a telling comment on the Indian defence establishment’s utter lack of long-term strategic planning to build military capabilities in tune with the country’s geopolitical objectives. An aircraft carrier prowling on the high seas, with its accompanying fighter jets tearing into the skies from the mobile airstrip, after all, projects power like nothing else.
US, on its part, has 11 carrier strike groups deployed across the globe to rule the seas. China, in turn, is actively scrambling to get carriers of its own in keeping with its big superpower aspirations. Successive Indian governments, however, been quite apathetic to Navy’s quest to have three aircraft carriers — one each for the eastern and western seaboards, while the third undergoes repairs — to protect the country’s ‘primary area of geopolitical interest’ stretching from Hormuz Strait to Malacca Strait.
The long-delayed 40,000-tonne indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC) being built at Cochin Shipyard, for one, will be ready only by 2015. For another, India will get the refurbished 44,570-tonne Admiral Gorshkov, undergoing a refit at the Sevmash Shipyard in North Russia, only by early-2013 now. India and Russia, of course, are still bitterly negotiating Gorshkov’s final refit cost, with the price likely to settle upwards of $ 2.5-billion. There is another big worry for Navy. INS Viraat may be all set to resume duties but it’s left with only 11 Sea Harrier jump-jets to operate from its deck.
From 1983 onwards, Navy had inducted 30 of the British-origin Sea Harriers, which take off from the angled ski-jump on INS Viraat and land vertically on its deck, but has lost over half of them in accidents. Be that as it may, the 13-storey high INS Viraat will soldier on — with its motto of Jalamev Yasya, Balamev Tasya (he who controls the sea is all powerful) — for the foreseeable future.
Viraat to be back in action in a week - India - The Times of India
NEW DELHI: The ‘mother’ will be back in action soon. With power projection being the name of the game, India is finally ready to once again deploy its solitary aircraft carrier INS Viraat on the high seas after an almost two-year gap.
INS Viraat is now on the verge of completing its ‘sea-acceptance trials’ and ‘work-up phase’ off Mumbai after an 18-month-long comprehensive refit in Mumbai and Kochi to increase its longevity as well as upgrade its weapon and sensor packages.
Coincidentally enough, the 28,000-tonne old warhorse will also be completing its 50th year as an operational warship this November. Originally commissioned in the British Royal Navy as HMS Hermes in November 1959, it was inducted into the Indian Navy in May 1987.
‘‘Even British officers, who have served on her, are stunned we have managed to prolong its operational life so much. After this refit, it will serve us for at least five years more. It should be ‘full-ops’ in a week or so,’’ said a senior officer.
While Navy is justifiably proud of getting INS Viraat back in action, it’s a telling comment on the Indian defence establishment’s utter lack of long-term strategic planning to build military capabilities in tune with the country’s geopolitical objectives. An aircraft carrier prowling on the high seas, with its accompanying fighter jets tearing into the skies from the mobile airstrip, after all, projects power like nothing else.
US, on its part, has 11 carrier strike groups deployed across the globe to rule the seas. China, in turn, is actively scrambling to get carriers of its own in keeping with its big superpower aspirations. Successive Indian governments, however, been quite apathetic to Navy’s quest to have three aircraft carriers — one each for the eastern and western seaboards, while the third undergoes repairs — to protect the country’s ‘primary area of geopolitical interest’ stretching from Hormuz Strait to Malacca Strait.
The long-delayed 40,000-tonne indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC) being built at Cochin Shipyard, for one, will be ready only by 2015. For another, India will get the refurbished 44,570-tonne Admiral Gorshkov, undergoing a refit at the Sevmash Shipyard in North Russia, only by early-2013 now. India and Russia, of course, are still bitterly negotiating Gorshkov’s final refit cost, with the price likely to settle upwards of $ 2.5-billion. There is another big worry for Navy. INS Viraat may be all set to resume duties but it’s left with only 11 Sea Harrier jump-jets to operate from its deck.
From 1983 onwards, Navy had inducted 30 of the British-origin Sea Harriers, which take off from the angled ski-jump on INS Viraat and land vertically on its deck, but has lost over half of them in accidents. Be that as it may, the 13-storey high INS Viraat will soldier on — with its motto of Jalamev Yasya, Balamev Tasya (he who controls the sea is all powerful) — for the foreseeable future.
Viraat to be back in action in a week - India - The Times of India
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Indian Navy mulls induction of 5 midget submarines
NEW DELHI: The Indian Navy is mulling the procurement and induction of five midget submarines into its force in a bid to bolster its underwater capabilities, Defence Ministry sources said on Sunday.
"The plans to procure the midget submarines, which weigh less than 150 tons, came in the aftermath of the Mumbai terror attacks last November, in which the militants used sea route to enter India.
The vessels will be inducted into the Marine Commandos force to carry out surveillance as well as attack operations," the sources said.
The Indian Navy currently maintains a fleet of diesel-electric submarines.
NEW DELHI: The Indian Navy is mulling the procurement and induction of five midget submarines into its force in a bid to bolster its underwater capabilities, Defence Ministry sources said on Sunday.
"The plans to procure the midget submarines, which weigh less than 150 tons, came in the aftermath of the Mumbai terror attacks last November, in which the militants used sea route to enter India.
The vessels will be inducted into the Marine Commandos force to carry out surveillance as well as attack operations," the sources said.
The Indian Navy currently maintains a fleet of diesel-electric submarines.
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Indian Navy to procure five midget submarines
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New Delhi, Nov 1 (PTI) To strengthen its capabilities of carrying out special underwater operations in high seas and enemy harbours, the Indian Navy is planning to procure five midget submarines for the Marine Commandos (MARCOS).
Submarines weighing less than 150 tonnes are classified as midgets and are used by the Navies to carry out underwater covert operations and surveillance missions.
The Navy has already initiated the process of procuring these vessels and recently issued a Request for Proposal to Indian shipyards including Hindustan Shipyards Limited, ABG and Pipavav shipyards, Defence Ministry sources told PTI here.
Initially, Navy is planning to get only five of these vessels but the inductions can be doubled later on.
The induction of these midgets is part of the Navy's efforts to strengthen its operational capabilities after the 26/11 terror strikes in Mumbai last year, sources said.
Indian Navy to procure five midget submarines
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Share Print E-mail Comment[ - ] Text [ + ]STAFF WRITER 9:55 HRS IST
New Delhi, Nov 1 (PTI) To strengthen its capabilities of carrying out special underwater operations in high seas and enemy harbours, the Indian Navy is planning to procure five midget submarines for the Marine Commandos (MARCOS).
Submarines weighing less than 150 tonnes are classified as midgets and are used by the Navies to carry out underwater covert operations and surveillance missions.
The Navy has already initiated the process of procuring these vessels and recently issued a Request for Proposal to Indian shipyards including Hindustan Shipyards Limited, ABG and Pipavav shipyards, Defence Ministry sources told PTI here.
Initially, Navy is planning to get only five of these vessels but the inductions can be doubled later on.
The induction of these midgets is part of the Navy's efforts to strengthen its operational capabilities after the 26/11 terror strikes in Mumbai last year, sources said.
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They need to quit mulling and induct them right away. Our underwater capabilities are pathetic. Enough time has been wasted already, these submarines should be inducted without further delay, although, knowing our armed forces it might take them a decade or so to decide.
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