Indian Navy News & Discussions

[nomi007]

Have you heard of the 'Floating Casino' Gimmick of China? The Varyag? Kuznetsov class Aircraft carrier? Towed from Ukraine?

If you haven,t you better look it up.

you and china are old user of russian weapons
like china you are using mig-21 did u made any copy of mig like Chinese j-7
you are using mig-29 did you made any copy of mig-29 Chinese are using su-27 they also made j-11.
they purchase varyag at low cost and convert it into their own carrier that is the progress

 

[satishkumarcsc]

you and china are old user of russian weapons
like china you are using mig-21 did u made any copy of mig like Chinese j-7
you are using mig-29 did you made any copy of mig-29 Chinese are using su-27 they also made j-11.
they purchase varyag at low cost and convert it into their own carrier that is the progress

That is why we are a part of the Russian fifth gen fighter programme, 6 best 4th gen aircrafts being offered, Joint development with Snecma in Kaveri project, Development of the Russian FMBT, and the list goes on. If we had done something like China did we wouldnt have had any of the above options that we enjoy.

What you told is short term benefits....we have the Gorshkov on it's way, we have the IAC due to be launched early next year, and w are taking help from Navantia for it. Chinese don't have a choice as no one is willing to sell them nor provide consultations in these defence goods for them.

We produced MiG 21s in house till the late 80s, and we are also given the ToT for both the RD 33 MK and the AL 31 FN along with SC technology, which the Chinese have been denied.

We might be slow but there are many things that we have developed that has a lot of spin-offs like the Autolay used by Airbus, The guidance system of Bhramos whose AI is a bit different in the end maneuvers, Software for the Barak, launch computers, and above all our ship building industry. This method takes time but is a proven method as we get to learn the basics.

We have the Helina but we are also getting systems like Javelin and Spike-ER. This helps us to validate how good our weapons are compare to the contemporary western and eastern weapons which are considered to be the best in the world.

A lot of failures shows us how things dont work which is a huge advantage in the knowledge arena. This actually comes to play during the transition of the weapons from one generation to another.

 

[sancho]

I see a mIg 29 on board the first pic..what is that about?

There were some pics of a Russian Mig 29K next to the carrier some month ago, they probably made some test with the elevators, or wrt the changes in the hangar, or parkingzones on the deck.


@ nomi007

Just to get the facts straight, China has bought an old Ukraine carrier, because they have no access to JV or own knowledge to develop a carrier, that's why they have no option than getting older Russian made arms and techs and try to copy it. They are now refurbishing the carrier on their own, not developing it completelly new.
India on the other hand has full access to Russian and western partners, for JV or joint developments, that's why we was able to buy a Russian carrier and let them refurbish it for us and according our requirements, why we get Italian companies as JV partners to develop our own Indian Aircraft Carrier 1 and why we already joint with British JV partners for IAC2, which most likely will be even an CATOBAR carrier.
As you can see, we are ahead of China in this field, exactly because we don't copy foreign techs and use our advantages of JV and joint developments!
China will catch up fast as usual, no doubt about that, but it will take time till they have developed an "own" carrier like IAC1 or 2 and till they got the experience to operate a carrier including the CBG and to support them over a long distance. Again a field where India has an huge advantage, since we can do joint exercises with Russian, French, British and US carriers, while the sole hope for PLAN at the moment is the Brazilian navy.
They have their ways, we have ours to achieve the same goals and we all are fine with it, so please don't start trolling or derailing the thread or we have to report and I think we have more than enough bannings at the moment right?

 

[Abingdonboy]

There were some pics of a Russian Mig 29K next to the carrier some month ago, they probably made some test with the elevators, or wrt the changes in the hangar, or parkingzones on the deck.


@ nomi007

Just to get the facts straight, China has bought an old Ukraine carrier, because they have no access to JV or own knowledge to develop a carrier, that's why they have no option than getting older Russian made arms and techs and try to copy it. They are now refurbishing the carrier on their own, not developing it completelly new.
India on the other hand has full access to Russian and western partners, for JV or joint developments, that's why we was able to buy a Russian carrier and let them refurbish it for us and according our requirements, why we get Italian companies as JV partners to develop our own Indian Aircraft Carrier 1 and why we already joint with British JV partners for IAC2, which most likely will be even an CATOBAR carrier.
As you can see, we are ahead of China in this field, exactly because we don't copy foreign techs and use our advantages of JV and joint developments!
China will catch up fast as usual, no doubt about that, but it will take time till they have developed an "own" carrier like IAC1 or 2 and till they got the experience to operate a carrier including the CBG and to support them over a long distance. Again a field where India has an huge advantage, since we can do joint exercises with Russian, French, British and US carriers, while the sole hope for PLAN at the moment is the Brazilian navy.
They have their ways, we have ours to achieve the same goals and we all are fine with it, so please don't start trolling or derailing the thread or we have to report and I think we have more than enough bannings at the moment right?

Not to mention the MASSIVE advantage IN has over PLAN in operating an ACC for over 50 years. As any military expert will tell you it is one thing having an ACC but operating it is something completely different. IN can hit the ground running when inducting future ACC whereas it is going to take PLAN the best part of a decade to get to grips with operating an ACC and naval aviation (the most treacherous form of aviation).

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

The Jalashwa with the three ugly Kings

Her majesty's junk.If there were to be a new Documentary of BBC about the falklands war then they should immediately get in touch with the captain of INS Viraat......

^^^Taken in '83!!!!:O

^^On board the HMS Illustrious during an exercise in the Arabian Sea(2006)
View the photographers' remark(and be shocked!)
http://www.airliners.net/photo/India---Navy/British-Aerospace-Sea/1116425/L/&sid=8122285835d48b5e3c0e6528dfb6e17f

 

[Thundersword]

I'm curious does anyone have any info bout' the E-2D hawkeye for IN??? is it still on the cards or is it cancelled???

 

[Vibs]

you and china are old user of russian weapons
like china you are using mig-21 did u made any copy of mig like Chinese j-7
you are using mig-29 did you made any copy of mig-29 Chinese are using su-27 they also made j-11.
they purchase varyag at low cost and convert it into their own carrier that is the progress

India and China have traditionally used Soviet weaponss. The difference between the paths India and China are taking are as follows.

China: Copy technology and build a local version of the same. Use this as a base to develop further models.
Pros: Short turnaround time.
Cons: Will restrict future arms acquisition and tech transfer for newer defence tech being researched around the world.

India: Goes for Tech transfer and joint development.
Cons: Takes a loong time to develop as well as to become completely indegenous
Pros: Allows access to newer tech, shared cost and upgradation of domestic defence industry

 

[sancho]

I'm curious does anyone have any info bout' the E-2D hawkeye for IN??? is it still on the cards or is it cancelled???

Hi, it's still on the card, but is meant for the future carriers (IAC2) and requires catapult take off. If the US provides us catapults, the E-2Ds are more than likely (although I would love to see a V22 AWACS, with DRDO radar for all of our carriers). Gorshkov and IAC1 are STOBAR carriers and will have only AEW helicopters (Ka 31), with limited performance and range, maybe that's why IN also considers shore based AWACS aircrafts, where the E-2D is offered as well. We will have to wait and see here.


@ Vibs

You are right of course, but I think he got it, so lets focus on the topic again and leave that issue.

 

[angeldemon_007]

Livefist: 2nd Indian P28 ASW Corvette To Be Launched Today

 

[vijayjha]

any news about Nepra submarine?its already mid Nov 2011

 

[Nirvana]

any news about Nepra submarine?its already mid Nov 2011

May be Another Delay

It was Under final Trials , can be handed over to Navy in coming Days

 

[agentperry]

you and china are old user of russian weapons
like china you are using mig-21 did u made any copy of mig like Chinese j-7
you are using mig-29 did you made any copy of mig-29 Chinese are using su-27 they also made j-11.
they purchase varyag at low cost and convert it into their own carrier that is the progress

we are making iac-1 that is progress. on our own and that too in one go. no buying and copying. arihant, no buying/copying.
copycats dont have good image anywhere and everywhere. russians now hesitate in giving access to new generation hardware. so there copying spree or in your terms progress will end up here only

 

[DMLA]

Interesting videos of the Talwar from the sea trial days. Some great footage showing testing of waepon systems. The series is in Russian though! The new ships (Teg, Tarkash, Trikand) will have brahmos and ak-630/ barak combo instead of klub and kashtan as everyone knows!

 

[Thundersword]

oooh wats this????Srikumar banerjee told this too frontline mag in NOV 11'
When is the Pressurised Water Reactor, which uses enriched uranium as fuel, on board India's nuclear-powered submarine, Arihant, going critical?

I was actually hoping that it would be started up by the end of this year, but I am told now that it will be commissioned in January or February 2012. Some things are yet to be settled.
link : ‘We can allay the fears'

 

[kali]

in wikipedia,ship planned for indian navy
there 12 indigenous submarine.
is this project start?
Ships of the Indian Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia