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NEW DELHI — The Indian Defence Ministry has sent a global request for information for short-range, surface-to-air missiles (SRSAMs), throwing into question an existing deal with the French for the same weapon for the Indian Navy.

The $5 billion Maitri missile deal was conceived eight years ago and is a joint project between India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and France’s MBDA. The missiles are to have a 25-kilometer range and were supposed to be used by Indian defense forces.

Originally, the Army, Air Force and Navy had a requirement for the missile, but the first two services have since found other solutions, leaving the Navy without a SRSAM unless the Maitri or another solution appears.

“Maitri seems to be heading for a dead end,” a senior Indian Navy official said.

A Defence Ministry source said six years of protracted negotiations between DRDO and MBDA have yielded a finalized work-share agreement, adding that the deal awaits only final clearance by New Delhi.

“The government of the day will have to decide whether to go ahead with the project or not,” the source added.

The French have been waiting for the clearance of the Maitri project, which has ascended to the highest diplomatic levels between India and France, a diplomat at the French Embassy said.

No official from MBDA was available for comment.

The Indian Navy was to use the Maitri to arm its three Project 16A Brahmaputra-class frigates and anti-submarine warfare corvettes, the MoD source said.

The Army requirement was for truck-mounted SRSAMs to replace the existing Russian-made Strella surface-to-air missiles. The Indian Air Force was to use the truck-mounted SRSAMs to replace Russian-made OSA-AKM surface-to-air missiles.

Rather than waiting for the Maitri, the Army and Air Force have since inducted the Akash, developed by DRDO. DRDO scientists claim the Akash is roughly equivalent to the US Patriot system, with a range of 25 kilometers. However, DRDO was unable to develop a naval version.

The Air Force further supplemented its inventory in 2008 by agreeing to purchase 18 Spyder low-level quick-reaction missile (LLQRM) systems made by Rafael of Israel, which was competing against MBDA.

Due to the uncertainty over the Maitri, the Navy opted to float the global request for information, another Navy official said.

India and France agreed to build the Maitri after India’s indigenous Trishul LLQRM was abandoned in 2003 following technical problems in the guidance systems.

Request a Non-starter
The Navy’s global request for information does not specify whether the purchase would be in the “Buy and Make Global” category or “Buy and Make India” category, so the response from overseas defense companies is likely to be very poor, said defense analyst Nitin Mehta.

The request for information was sent to domestic and global defense companies.

The request was sent to Tata Power SED, Larsen & Toubro, Bharat Forge, Punj Lloyd, Ashok Leyland and state-owned Bharat Electronics Limited and Ordnance Factory Board.

The foreign companies include MBDA, Nexter and Thales of France, Saab of Sweden, KBP Tula of Russia and Rafael and Israel Aerospace Industries of Israel, and Doosan Group and Samsung of South Korea.

While the request did not specify the number of SRSAM systems it will purchase, Navy sources said there is a requirement of around 30 systems worth more than $2 billion.

The indecision on Maitri could kill the program, affecting Indo-French defense ties, Mehta said. ■

Indian Navy May Walk Away From French Missile Deal | Defense News | defensenews.com
 
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Interesting! Another deal the new MoD seems to scrap and another delay for our forces. @Abingdonboy
 
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sometimes, damn it, China cannot buy any of this, damn the Americans......
 
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Interesting! Another deal the new MoD seems to scrap and another delay for our forces. @Abingdonboy


6BN USD is an Exorbitant amount. It is a wise step to scrap it. Let the people across the world send their offer. We shall get the missile at 1/3 rd of the cost. Or make a new missile based on BARAK 1 or a derivative of ASTRA.
 
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Interesting! Another deal the new MoD seems to scrap and another delay for our forces. @Abingdonboy
how can you blame it on new gov ? The deal was under discussion for last 5-6 years. problem might be money. so its better to come to a decision than dragging it for more years.
 
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This deal is going nowhere. Better to scrap it altogether.
 
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6BN USD is an Exorbitant amount. It is a wise step to scrap it. Let the people across the world send their offer. We shall get the missile at 1/3 rd of the cost.

That's already the result of a competition, where the MICA VL was found to be the best base for a development. So unless we made a mistake in the earlier evaluations, we most likely chose the L1 right?
 
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how can you blame it on new gov ? The deal was under discussion for last 5-6 years. problem might be money. so its better to come to a decision than dragging it for more years.

Because an actual decision that would lead to a result for the forces would be a good thing (either signing the contract with the French or go for another missile directly), but srapping it and starting all over again, is delaying things only and leaving the forces with more problems than solving them.

- LUH, scrapped and delayed although IA needs new helicopters ASAP
- P75I most likely scrapped and without an off the shelf order for fast induction, which causes delays and doesn't solve IN's problem of having a low number of SSK's
- Now this missile procurement, possibly scrapped and re-issued, which causes more delays and leaves IA and IN without an alternative (IAF smartly already ordered SPYDER SAMs)
- and what if they do the same with MMRCA too, scrapping the selection of Rafale, adding more privat industy production shares and at least re-evaluating the shortlisted 2 fighters once more? Which causes more delays for IAF to replace older fighters...

I would have loved it, if they had selected the Ka226 or the Fennec and finally fix the modernisation of the LUH fleet, just as selecting more Scorpenes with 2 directly from French production lines would be great, imo they should even increase the potential of the Maitri SAM project to further varients (sub and air launched), putting it on par with Brahmos as a project...
...because that would be decisions that solves problems and speed up the modernisation!
 
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Because an actual decision that would lead to a result for the forces would be a good thing (either signing the contract with the French or go for another missile directly), but srapping it and starting all over again, is delaying things only and leaving the forces with more problems than solving them.

- LUH, scrapped and delayed although IA needs new helicopters ASAP
- P75I most likely scrapped and without an off the shelf order for fast induction, which causes delays and doesn't solve IN's problem of having a low number of SSK's
- Now this missile procurement, possibly scrapped and re-issued, which causes more delays and leaves IA and IN without an alternative (IAF smartly already ordered SPYDER SAMs)
- and what if they do the same with MMRCA too, scrapping the selection of Rafale, adding more privat industy production shares and at least re-evaluating the shortlisted 2 fighters once more? Which causes more delays for IAF to replace older fighters...

I would have loved it, if they had selected the Ka226 or the Fennec and finally fix the modernisation of the LUH fleet, just as selecting more Scorpenes with 2 directly from French production lines would be great, imo they should even increase the potential of the Maitri SAM project to further varients (sub and air launched), putting it on par with Brahmos as a project...
...because that would be decisions that solves problems and speed up the modernisation!
what are you talking about? ! Maitri is not a tender, it is a indo- French partnership. There is no evaluation or RFP stuff here. Negotiations has been going on for years and now they stopped and looking for possible alternatives. comparing and blaming gov with preconceived assumptions is foolishness.
 
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Interesting! Another deal the new MoD seems to scrap and another delay for our forces. @Abingdonboy
Hold on your horses bro.Why you need Maitri, when Akash SAM is online ? Navy can ask DRDO to tweak a little bit and we are ready with naval version of Akash or if they still insist on quick delivery, they can go for some global tender as besides Navy nobody want Maitri Missile anymore. Indian Airforce is pretty happy with Akash SAM (Telling you from my own experience;)).
 
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Hold on your horses bro.Why you need Maitri, when Akash SAM is online ? Navy can ask DRDO to tweak a little bit and we are ready with naval version of Akash or if they still insist on quick delivery, they can go for some global tender as besides Navy nobody want Maitri Missile anymore. Indian Airforce is pretty happy with Akash SAM (Telling you from my own experience;)).
Kill your horses bro ! How can Akash replace maitri ?
Akash is a 720 kg missile with vintage design and without seeker or vertical launch.where as maitri is a 100kg missile with IR/EM guidance and vertical launch specially designed to intercept sea skimming and supersonic missiles.

Don't be ridiculous, Army / navy desperatly want maitri or similar missile from trishul days,DRDO already started development and design stage is complete.
IAF said so because they already procured Spider Sam from Israel.
 
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Kill your horses bro ! How can Akash replace maitri ?
Akash is a 720 kg missile with vintage design and without seeker or vertical launch.where as maitri is a 100kg missile with IR/EM guidance and vertical launch specially designed to intercept sea skimming and supersonic missiles.

Don't be ridiculous, Army / navy desperatly want maitri or similar missile from trishul days,DRDO already started development and design stage is complete.
IAF said so because they already procured Spider Sam from Israel.

Well my friend Maitri was SRSAM(Short Range SAM with seekers ,range 25km ) and SPYDER is QRSAM(Quick Reaction SAM range 15KM).You get the difference now. Again Maitri was nothing but to put a seeker onboard .(BTW from Where you get 100Kg Maitri Missile weight ?)

Now you know weight of Shtil 1 naval version of Buk version- It close to 600-700 Kg (Depend on the version)
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looks Vintage isn't it ,to engage sea skimming missile.

Don't give me gyaan,which you even not aware of.I know what am talking about here.As I said all you need is little bit tweak to turn Akash into Naval version with Semi Active seeker. While current version is quite capable to engage sea skimming low level targets.
The Indian Army has successfully test fired the Akash missile at a very low altitude near the boundary on June 18. The trial flight was the last among the validation trials being carried out by the Army, on the first-off production models of the Akash supersonic missile.
The supersonic missile intercepted a very small unmanned, fast moving Banshee aerial vehicle at 30 m altitude above sea level, proving the system capability against subsonic cruise missile. The sophisticated multi function radar, with built in features, tracked the low flying target continuously throughout its course.
 
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Well my fripdf
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ri htmlSRSAM(Short Range SAM with seekers ,range 25km ) and SPYDER is QRSAM(Quick Reaction SAM range 15KM).You get the difference now. Again Maitri was nothing but to put a seeker onboard .(BTW from Where you get 100Kg Maitri Missile weight ?)

Now you know weight of Shtil 1 naval version of Buk version- It close to 600-700 Kg (Depend on the version)
8160185571_4524596354_z.jpg

looks Vintage isn't it ,to engage sea skimming missile.

Don't give me gyaan,which you even not aware of.I know what am talking about here.As I said all you need is little bit tweak to turn Akash into Naval version with Semi Active seeker. While current version is quite capable to engage sea skimming low level targets.
Wrong , Maitri is a QRSAM which indeed is short range ! -
Livefist: India Begins $2.2-billion QR-SAM Procurement Effort
Shtil is old design with no VL and in medium range catogary.That's why Indian navy choose Barak 8.

Maitri is suppose to be a very similar to mica vl missile which is around 100kg.(trishul missile was 130 kg)
The DRDO was also hoping to use its experience gained in working on the now aborted indigenous Trishul short-range missile project and marry it with the advance seeker and guidance systems from MBDA’s MICA missile
The Telegraph - Calcutta (Kolkata) | Nation | Junked: France joint missile plan

You don' t have to be a genius to understand different categorys.Akash is a medium weight/range missile with no seeker,no vl,no qr capabilities and what IA/navy want is short range ,least weight ,active homing ,vl,qr and trust vector.

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http://indianarmy.nic.in/writereaddata/RFI/47/rfi-ii-280110.pdf
CAMM (missile family) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Missile systems, defence systems - MBDA missilesvl-mica/8-4/
 
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