Indian Navy Corvette collided with Russian Navy hospital ship

[gslv mk3]

This is how military fed propaganda works.

It'll only fool their gullible population...

 

[Shiji]

This is how military fed propaganda works.

A Group Captain wrote on navy? Hmm

yawn...now explain this...

Given the incidents onboard IN S/Ms, the notion of placing nuclear weapon onboard INS Aridhaman; when made repeatedly in the media would draw unnecessary questions. Nuclear reactors require special handling. Even advanced navies like the US or Russia have faced problems and criticism. To expect India to be accident free in view of its dismal track record and penchant for substandard safety training and demonstrated tendency to violates SOPs is tantamount to placing a razor in the hands of a monkey. Pakistan must not let its guard down but should not be overly worried at IN’s expansion.

So mindset of accident is kind of naval policy? Thought the policy was to never hope for accidents.
Thought Indian Brass doesn't feel the same.

You still couldn't prove every 5 year claims but cherry picking 13 years old articles.

2013 is 13 years old? Thought indians were supposed to be good at studies.

 

[gslv mk3]

So mindset of accident is kind of naval policy? Thought the policy was to never hope for accidents.

That was written by a PAF group captain, who was butt-hurt about the launch of INS Aridhaman. No by any IN top brass.

 

[Shiji]

That was written by a PAF group captain, who was butt-hurt about the launch of INS Aridhaman. No by any IN top brass.

Right.
I think you guys aren't actually clicking the link. Let me post it here

November 2011, the Indian Navy was particularly incensed with what a US naval lieutenant had posted on a blog. The unnamed lieutenant, who spent four days on destroyer INS Delhi in the Arabian Sea as part of an exchange programme, called the Indian crew "generally clueless", with "almost zero seamanship skills". This was one in a long, harsh critique of what he saw on the frontline warship. The blog was removed days after it was posted.



Did the blog touch a raw nerve? Just 10 months earlier, the naval frigate INS Vindhyagiri collided with a merchant tanker in Mumbai harbour sank. It was the fourth time a warship was completely written off in 23 years. Since 1990, the Indian Navy has lost one warship in peacetime every five years. Since 2004, it has lost one naval combatant every two years. Few global navies have such a dubious record. Five days after the August 14 explosion destroyed INS Sindhurakshak, killing 18 crew members, Defence Minister A.K. Antony told Rajya Sabha that "preliminary probe indicated the blast was due to possible ignition of armament". Armed with torpedoes and missiles, the submarine was fully fuelled and ready to sail for patrol early next morning.

Former southern naval chief Vice Admiral K.N. Sushil (retired) cautions it is too early to conclude it sank due to negligence. Evidence points to a blast in an oxygen-powered torpedo, he says. "The Navy must do a forensic examination to pinpoint the cause," he says.

What is worrying is that with each warship loss, key maritime capabilities are being lost. The Sindhurakshak had returned from Russia four months ago, and after a two-and-a-half year refit, was the Navy's most potent conventional submarine. The frigate INS Vindhyagiri was the only warship that could control spy drones far out at sea.

Peacetime losses of warships are not uncommon. Since the World War II, the US Navy has lost 16 warships in accidents. Russia's nuclear submarine Kursk sank in August 2000 after a faulty torpedo exploded during a training exercise. But in case of the smaller Indian Navy-it only has 30 frontline warships and 14 submarines-they point to a far disturbing trend, of human rather than technical error. The Prahar and Vindhyagiri collided with lumbering merchant vessels. The INS Agray was cut into half in 2004 when a crew member tossed a misfired anti-submarine rocket overboard. The spate of accidents comes at a time when the fleet is expanding in both size and complexity. Last year, it acquired INS Chakra, its first nuclear-powered attack submarine from Russia. It is set to induct its largest ship, the 44,000-tonne aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya, from Russia this year. Former eastern naval commander Vice Admiral A.K. Singh (retired) slams the Government's apathy. "The Navy is operating vessels long past their service years of 25 and 30 years as the government doesn't sanction new ones in time," he says.

Ageing ships alone do not explain other accidents and collisions. Naval officials say there are a series of smaller mishaps that point to Standard Operating Procedures (sops) not being followed. The August 2009 collision of the missile corvette INS Kuthar with destroyer INS Ranvir in the Bay of Bengal was traced to a rudder failure, compounded by a flawed manoeuvre. In 2010, three crew men on destroyer INS Mumbai were instantly killed when an AK-630 Gatling gun went off as safety drills were not followed. The submarine INS Sindhughosh collided twice; once with a fishing boat in 2006 and once with a merchant vessel in 2007. "The Navy has put in place multiple, institutionalised methods and procedures towards enhancing safety," a naval spokesperson said, responding to a questionnaire. "Each type of unit has a Safety Class Authority that oversees safety aspects and guides safety related policy. On completion of major repairs, all units undergo a safety audit, prior joining respective formations."

"The problem is that we aren't empowering our young officers," admits a senior naval officer, echoing what the US navy blogger said. Experience levels have suffered as there is a mismatch between number of warships and officers. Each year, 60 captain-ranked officers vie for the command of 15-20 warships. "A decade ago, a captain got two 18-month long sea tenures, allowing him to build up experience; today he gets only one," says a naval officer.

"Adequate sea tenures are provided to all concerned," a naval spokesperson said.

In 2006, then defence minister Pranab Mukherjee pulled Navy brass up after a spate of accidents. Accidents have however continued despite 'safety stand down' procedures performed on all warships every quarter, and court-martials. The loss of the Sindhurakshak has now pushed them to unacceptable levels.

 

[Yaseen1]

unprofessional indian navy

 

[gslv mk3]

Since 1990, the Indian Navy has lost one warship in peacetime every five years. Since 2004, it has lost one naval combatant every two years.

most of this is incorrect.

the naval frigate INS Vindhyagiri collided with a merchant tanker in Mumbai harbour sank.

http://www.maritime-executive.com/article/merchant-vessel-found-guilty-in-indian-navy-collision

 

[Shiji]

most of this is incorrect.



http://www.maritime-executive.com/article/merchant-vessel-found-guilty-in-indian-navy-collision

Right.

Indian navy chief quits over accident record
26 FEBRUARY 2014
Admiral resigns after crew missing and injured in latest of a slew of submarine accidents to plague India's navy.

India's navy has been plagued by accidents in recent years, raising questions about its safety record [Reuters]

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/...-over-accident-record-201422614028147366.html

 

[SBUS-CXK]

You are also just like Indians. Your dead submarine drifted for 10 days and the "mighty Chinese navy" had no idea. Whats worse is that it was fished by fishermen.Talk about "State of the art" maritime surveillance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_submarine_361

But China can build and improve nuclear submarines. And export.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_094_submarine

but india?....

 

[gslv mk3]

Indian navy chief quits over accident record

He resigned taking the moral responsibility of Sindhurakshak accident. Your point is ?

But China can build and improve nuclear submarines. And export.

but india?....

Why don't you learn your own history?

The submarine hull number No. 361 was a Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy Type-035AIP (ES5E variant) (NATO reporting name Ming III) conventional diesel/electric submarine. In 2003 while at the Bohai Sea between North Korea and China's Shandong Province, the vessel suffered a systems failure that killed all 70 crew members on board

After the disaster, the crippled submarine drifted for ten days because it was on a silent, no-contact exercises. The boat was discovered by Chinese fishermen who noticed its periscope sticking above the surface on April 25, 2003.

 

[Shiji]

He resigned taking the moral responsibility of Sindhurakshak accident. Your point is ?

That Indian navy is neither trained up to standards nor has the professional mindset and the words of the supposed exchange US lieutenant hold weight.

 

[Paranoid Android]

2013 is 13 years old? Thought indians were supposed to be good at studies.

It's Clearly the corvette that struck the Russian ship.
And just for the sake of reading

The INS Agray was cut into half in 2004 when a crew member tossed a misfired anti-submarine rocket overboard.

Gadhe

 

[SrNair]

But China can build and improve nuclear submarines. And export.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_094_submarine

but india?....View attachment 432252

Export to the nations that dont have any other choices

 

[gslv mk3]

That Indian navy is neither trained up to standards nor has the professional mindset and the words of the supposed exchange US lieutenant hold weight.

Sure, now go to sleep..

 

[Paranoid Android]

But China can build and improve nuclear submarines. And export.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_094_submarine

but india?....View attachment 432252

Your 75% (Approx) export is to only Pakistan, Bangladesh & Myanmar... Basically feeding with debt.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Export to the nations that dont have any other choices

Better than a submarine on hire.