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Disclaimer: The article is published in DW, a German Daily. It is not certainly an Indian source.


While Hindu-Muslim tension is rising in India, some Muslims have joined the RSS, a hardline Hindu nationalist organization. They say they want to promote national stability in India and adapt to Hindu traditions.

Mohammad Afzal is an exception among India's Muslims when it comes to the issue of cow-slaughter, which is fully or partially banned in most Indian states.

"Hindus see the cow as their mother, so this is an important part of the culture in India. A national ban can keep the peace," Afzal told DW. "It hurts Hindus, when Muslims slaughter cows," he said, arguing in favor of a national ban.

He also said that the population growth of Muslims in India should be controlled and Muslim boys should be taught not to seduce Hindu girls.

Afzal's views closely reflect those of the RSS, a hardline Hindu volunteer organization with which Indian Prime Minister Modi started his career and which claims to have over 5 million members in India. As the co-founder and national convener of the Muslim Rashtriya Manch (MRM), a Muslim social organization patronized by the RSS, Afzal fully supports the Hindu-nationalist agenda.

While Hinduism considers the cow a holy animal and therefore prohibits the consumption of beef, Islam does not. This has led to a simmering tension between the two communities, especially after Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's BJP Hindu-nationalist party rose to national power in May 2014.

Instances of violence in the name of cow protection have since gone up. And in the majority of cases, the victims were Muslims, who at a population of around 200 million are a 15 percent minority in India. Many of the victims were not involved in cow slaughter, but rather in buffalo trade or were just rumored to have killed or eaten a cow.

While condemning violence against Muslims, Afzal argues that Muslims themselves should take responsibility for staying safe. He said that as minorities, Indian Muslims should "absolutely" adjust to Hindu culture. "My main goal is to protect our community," he said.

In one of the RSS's guiding texts, Muslims are described as one of India's largest internal security threats.

Afzal lives with his wife and three sons in a narrow, four-story house in the heart of Delhi's old city, a predominantly Muslim area. Just around the corner, a man with a beard and skull cap sells beef biryani, a traditional Muslim rice dish with buffalo meat, due to Delhi's cow slaughter ban.

Well-known in the area, Afzal has been a somewhat controversial figure since he joined the BJP in the early 90s. He continued to support the party even after 2002, when thousands of Muslims were killed in Hindu mob-violence in the state of Gujarat where Modi was Chief Minister at the time.

If anything, this made Afzal more convinced that Muslims should work together with the Hindu-nationalists for the betterment of their community.

"The other parties might speak of secularism, but what have they done for us?" he said, quoting statistics showing Muslims' relatively poor socio-economic status in India. In December 2002, MRM was founded in cooperation with the RSS and currently claims 10,000 active members.

Girish Juyal, one of the Hindu co-founders of MRM, said that national unity is more important than Muslim identity. He started out as an RSS worker in Jammu and Kashmir in the 90s

The state, bordering Pakistan and an eternal source of conflict between India and its neighbor, saw a rise in militancy of separatist Muslims at that time.

"In Kashmir I had come to realize that we should promote nationalism amongst the Muslims," he told DW while sipping on a cold coffee in one of central Delhi's upmarket cafés.

"Anything that assumes a different identity, even within the body, is like a cancer. We don't want anyone to identify as a Muslim. We want them to be Indian."

http://m.dw.com/en/indian-muslims-who-support-hindu-nationalism/a-39873638
 
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LOL sure thing. Just give up on your religious and cultural freedoms to appease others. LOL at adjusting to the majority and living in constant fear. Just bloody marvelous. What a farce.

Why not just convert to Hinduism? What is even the point of calling yourself a Muslim when your only motive is appeasement of Indian/Hindu nationalism by giving up your own values and traditions?

I'm so glad we got Pakistan. What kind of a state is India which shamelessly prides itself for being a pluralistic society when minorities are forced to appease the majority?

Would a Hindu respect Muslim feelings and traditions by slaughtering and eating a cow? Even for a day? Talk about adaptation.

No matter how much the Indian pretends to be secular and democratic. This is eventually where India is heading. Intolerance at its height.

If this is how Hindu dominated India treats its minorities living inside major Indian cities one can only imagine what happens inside Kashmir.

Why not just become another Israel and build walls to separate the minorities from high caste Indians? That way Indian Muslim boys won't be able to seduce Hindu girls LMAO
 
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Even as a Hindu, I don't support this cow raksha nonsense. Live and let live.

LOL sure thing. Just give up on your religious and cultural freedoms to appease others. LOL at adjusting to the majority and living in constant fear. Just bloody marvelous. What a farce.

Why not just convert to Hinduism? What is even the point of calling yourself a Muslim when your only motive is appeasement of Indian/Hindu nationalism by giving up your own values and traditions?

I'm so glad we got Pakistan. What kind of a state is India which shamelessly prides itself for being a pluralistic society when minorities are forced to appease the majority?

Would a Hindu respect Muslim feelings and traditions by slaughtering and eating a cow? Even for a day? Talk about adaptation.

No matter how much the Indian pretends to be secular and democratic. This is eventually where India is heading. Intolerance at its height.

If this is how Hindu dominated India treats its minorities living inside major Indian cities one can only imagine what happens inside Kashmir.

Why not just become another Israel and build walls to separate the minorities from high caste Indians? That way Indian Muslim boys won't be able to seduce Hindu girls LMAO
And yet it is Pakistani minorities seeking refuge in India and no Muslims from India want to move to Pakistan.
 
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Even as a Hindu, I don't support this cow raksha nonsense. Live and let live.


And yet it is Pakistani minorities seeking refuge in India and no Muslims from India want to move to Pakistan.

Sir jee, anyone killing people in name of Cow Raksha is not acceptable.
Problem is people seeing only one side of the problem. Rural India is rampant with cattle theft & smuggling. Farmers get killed by these smugglers regularly which does not get debated anywhere.
 
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Sir jee, anyone killing people in name of Cow Raksha is not acceptable.
Problem is people seeing only one side of the problem. Rural India is rampant with cattle theft & smuggling. Farmers get killed by these smugglers regularly which does not get debated anywhere.
Ok. I don't know details - am sure you are right. But state should stop the vigilantes.
 
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Muslims in USA join hands and proclaim secularism, democracy and accepting the values and norms of the USA (especially after 911). The thing is if as a Muslim you wish to live as a minority amongst people then you must respect their values and norms. It doesn't mean that you must become part of it...just respect it. Muslims don't expect pork to be banned in western or African states where they live so why make any fuss about the wishes of a Hindu majority nation when it comes to beef?
 
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Ok. I don't know details - am sure you are right. But state should stop the vigilantes.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...tle-smuggler-in-agra/articleshow/59401732.cms

The latest one which made the news. This is because it happened in semi urban area.
The rural area is rampant with these cases and the death becomes a statistic. That's why these gau rakshaks find so much support.
Worse is the state leadership in cahoots with these smugglers which enables this at various places.

If only the law & order of state works as intended...
 
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Muslims in USA join hands and proclaim secularism, democracy and accepting the values and norms of the USA (especially after 911). The thing is if as a Muslim you wish to live as a minority amongst people then you must respect their values and norms. It doesn't mean that you must become part of it...just respect it. Muslims don't expect pork to be banned in western or African states where they live so why make any fuss about the wishes of a Hindu majority nation when it comes to beef?
But even within Hindus, there are regions where beef is consumed. Consumption of beef is frowned upon because the cow is respected for giving milk. Anyway, this debate has too many sides.
 
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Ok. I don't know details - am sure you are right. But state should stop the vigilantes.

You can google them. Most of them are found in hindi news papers. Not a peep.
  • July 2, 2017: A farmer Charan Singh was shot dead by armed cattle thieves after he tried to save his buffalo from them. The incident took place in Kotrekapura village of Agra.
  • June 25, 2017: Cattle smugglers tried to run over a vehicle at police “yet again” in Shajahanpur. One of the accused was identified as Ehsaan.
  • June 2017: A police party that had gone to stop illegal cow slaughter out in the open in Khalapar locality of Muzaffarnagar, UP on Tuesday was savagely attacked by a mob with stones and firearms. 4 policemen were injured and the mob managed to free 3 accused who had been arrested by police.
  • June 2017: Police attacked when it tried to stop cow slaughter in Katka village, Jansath tehsil, Muzaffarnagar. Criminals started started firing on police and 4 policemen were injured. Police managed to arrest two – Bhura (a.k.a Israel) and Khaleel – while 8 persons managed to flee.
  • June 2017 – Gang of seven cattle smugglers opened fired at villagers in Ghiraura village of Etah district, after they failed to steal buffaloes.
  • April 2017 – Cow traffickers fire at police, ram police vehicle & barricade in New Delhi
  • November 2, 2016: Cattle smugglers shot dead a woman after being caught stealing her buffaloes. The incident took place in Asrauli village of Dehat kotwali area of UP’s Etah district.
  • October 22, 2016: Cattle smugglers opened fire at a dairy farmer in Panipat, Haryana after he catches them red-handed.
  • August 1, 2016 – two farmers were shot and injured by cattle smugglers in Kasganj district.
  • July 21, 2016 – Cow smugglers in Amravati, Maharashtra crushed family of 3 (mother, father, small child) to death under their truck and injured more than 40 in a desperate attempt to escape police.
  • June 6, 2016: Two men kill a chowkidar Data Ram after suspecting him to be a police informer on cow slaughter incidents in Lucknow’s Azamgarh district. The accused were later identified as Jakib and Itikar.
  • June 1, 2016: A 16-year-old girl was shot dead by cow thieves after she confronted them. The incident happened in Etah district of Agra
  • Feb 2016 – VHP’s Dalit leader Arun Kumar Mahaur was shot dead for opposing cow slaughter in Agra by Shahrukh and 4 others.
  • October 10, 2015: Prashant Poojary, a Bajrang Dal member actively involved in preventing illegal cow slaughter and transportation, was killed by cow smugglers in Mangaluru. Police later arrested a suspect Mohammad Imtiaz Gantalkatte in the case
  • February 20, 2015: Cattle smugglers kill two policemen, including a head constable in Mathura, UP, when the police tried to intercept a vehicle carrying cows near Azizpur village.
  • June 24, 2014: Cattle smugglers fire at a farmer after he catches them stealing his cows in Shahjahanpur in UP.
  • May 1, 2014: Cattle smugglers fire at villagers and police after being caught in Gurgaon’s Baliawas. Later nabbed by police and identified as Aabid and Umar.
  • February 7, 2014: Cattle smugglers kill two villagers in Bareilly. Report says, “Residents alleged that this is not an isolated case as several unsuccessful attempts in the past have been thwarted by alert villagers who raised an alarm, forcing the gang to flee.”

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/mewat-meat-mafia-haryana-police-constables/1/1013304.html

This happened yesterday.
Secular cow smugglers (take a wild guess how they got these cows) shot at police and injured them.
Want to take a wild guess on the religion of these smugglers? How come these secular smugglers have guns?

People who own cattle can't even defend themselves. If they harm these seculars trying to protect their cattle, they will be branded as gau rakshaks and taken to task.
 
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Fascism is fast spreading in India and we can see the biggest terrorist of Gujrat on the post of Pmof India and a biggest hate monger as CM of UP. Basically Manuwadi Brahmins are leading this movement and taking the nation towards death, destruction and violence. Muslims ned to work with other secular Indians, Dalits, Shudras etc. for a nation based on love and unity and to take the nation out of the clutches of 3-6% Brahmin Manuwadis
 
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Even as a Hindu, I don't support this cow raksha nonsense. Live and let live.


And yet it is Pakistani minorities seeking refuge in India and no Muslims from India want to move to Pakistan.

...and what about the thousands of refugees fleeing IOK? Even in recorded figures, Pakistan is the second destination of choice for your citizens so you are clearly talking out of your a**
 
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...and what about the thousands of refugees fleeing IOK? Even in recorded figures, Pakistan is the second destination of choice for your citizens so you are clearly talking out of your a**
Any official figures? Crossing the LoC to go to Pakistan is no joke. If thousands are fleeing where are the news reports (form credible sources - not blogs) or official govt figures
 
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Shia & Ahmedias are firmly moving towards BJP camp.
They know the importance of respecting each other religious values and sentiments.
Any relation built on mutual understanding and respect will last long.
Full support to gau rakshaks. They stand alone for a noble cause to save lives.

You can google them. Most of them are found in hindi news papers. Not a peep.
  • July 2, 2017: A farmer Charan Singh was shot dead by armed cattle thieves after he tried to save his buffalo from them. The incident took place in Kotrekapura village of Agra.
  • June 25, 2017: Cattle smugglers tried to run over a vehicle at police “yet again” in Shajahanpur. One of the accused was identified as Ehsaan.
  • June 2017: A police party that had gone to stop illegal cow slaughter out in the open in Khalapar locality of Muzaffarnagar, UP on Tuesday was savagely attacked by a mob with stones and firearms. 4 policemen were injured and the mob managed to free 3 accused who had been arrested by police.
  • June 2017: Police attacked when it tried to stop cow slaughter in Katka village, Jansath tehsil, Muzaffarnagar. Criminals started started firing on police and 4 policemen were injured. Police managed to arrest two – Bhura (a.k.a Israel) and Khaleel – while 8 persons managed to flee.
  • June 2017 – Gang of seven cattle smugglers opened fired at villagers in Ghiraura village of Etah district, after they failed to steal buffaloes.
  • April 2017 – Cow traffickers fire at police, ram police vehicle & barricade in New Delhi
  • November 2, 2016: Cattle smugglers shot dead a woman after being caught stealing her buffaloes. The incident took place in Asrauli village of Dehat kotwali area of UP’s Etah district.
  • October 22, 2016: Cattle smugglers opened fire at a dairy farmer in Panipat, Haryana after he catches them red-handed.
  • August 1, 2016 – two farmers were shot and injured by cattle smugglers in Kasganj district.
  • July 21, 2016 – Cow smugglers in Amravati, Maharashtra crushed family of 3 (mother, father, small child) to death under their truck and injured more than 40 in a desperate attempt to escape police.
  • June 6, 2016: Two men kill a chowkidar Data Ram after suspecting him to be a police informer on cow slaughter incidents in Lucknow’s Azamgarh district. The accused were later identified as Jakib and Itikar.
  • June 1, 2016: A 16-year-old girl was shot dead by cow thieves after she confronted them. The incident happened in Etah district of Agra
  • Feb 2016 – VHP’s Dalit leader Arun Kumar Mahaur was shot dead for opposing cow slaughter in Agra by Shahrukh and 4 others.
  • October 10, 2015: Prashant Poojary, a Bajrang Dal member actively involved in preventing illegal cow slaughter and transportation, was killed by cow smugglers in Mangaluru. Police later arrested a suspect Mohammad Imtiaz Gantalkatte in the case
  • February 20, 2015: Cattle smugglers kill two policemen, including a head constable in Mathura, UP, when the police tried to intercept a vehicle carrying cows near Azizpur village.
  • June 24, 2014: Cattle smugglers fire at a farmer after he catches them stealing his cows in Shahjahanpur in UP.
  • May 1, 2014: Cattle smugglers fire at villagers and police after being caught in Gurgaon’s Baliawas. Later nabbed by police and identified as Aabid and Umar.
  • February 7, 2014: Cattle smugglers kill two villagers in Bareilly. Report says, “Residents alleged that this is not an isolated case as several unsuccessful attempts in the past have been thwarted by alert villagers who raised an alarm, forcing the gang to flee.”
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/mewat-meat-mafia-haryana-police-constables/1/1013304.html

This happened yesterday.
Secular cow smugglers (take a wild guess how they got these cows) shot at police and injured them.
Want to take a wild guess on the religion of these smugglers? How come these secular smugglers have guns?

People who own cattle can't even defend themselves. If they harm these seculars trying to protect their cattle, they will be branded as gau rakshaks and taken to task.
Hindus owning cows should form unions to get arms and defend themselves. Now smugglers are tied and beaten up. If fired upon, they flee.
 
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