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Second sukhoi is not indian...
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Which gun is that and whats in the top of it...??
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Its a Paintball gun, most likely loaded with balls which contain capsaicin (the stuff thats in pepperspray)
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First time that I see the IA using non lethal weapons
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But it has got mags too...
Just for the looks^^ And it makes training more realistic I guess
I know that the Paras use them for training, but this is the first time I saw non Paratroopers using them...
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You're 100% right about them being loaded with pepperspray -pellets that on contact burst and have the same effect as pepper spray deployed at close range by a canister. This was during the Muzaffarnagar troubles last year would be my best guess and thus makes sense given they were deployed to maintain order and would thus want to prevent loss of life.Its a Paintball gun, most likely loaded with balls which contain capsaicin (the stuff thats in pepperspray)
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First time that I see the IA using non lethal weapons
Good to see such non-lethal weapons making their into the hands of the regulars, no need to resort to live fire straight away.
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do u aware of the fact that he is taking a great risk to his life by using a toy gun???.... it is better to him to be unarmed than carrying that gun.... any terrorists shooting at him will not use a Paintball gun...
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Not at all bro. These non-lethal weapons are ONLY issued when the situation class for it. These IA troops were deployed in Muzaffarnagar last year to maintain order, they weren't deployed in a Counter Insurgency environment. In that context it is FAR better to have these sort of non-lethal weapons to hand than an assault rifle- in this situation the use of lethal force would/should be the last option, not the first. I'm sure there are other members of his squad with INSASs and such if the situation permits the use of lethal force but why open fire on unarmed civilians? Go for this option first.
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when a security personal carrying an AR then those problem makers in there will think twice before attacking those security personals.... and there is a lot difference B/w holding an AR and firing it....
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It depends on the role the IA are given. There are going to be times when carrying non-lethal weapons is preferred. And it is good that the IA no has this choice.
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Ajit Doval, giant among spies, reports back for duty soon - Hindustan Times
Ajit Doval, giant among spies, reports back for duty soon
On January 31, 2005, Ajit Kumar Doval sat down at 9, Tughlak Road--the official house of the director, Intelligence Bureau (DIB)--for the last time to greet well-wishers. He was stepping down after eight months on the job.
Ajit Kumar Doval, former director IB, speaks at the Hindustan Times Leadership Summit in New Delhi. HT/Virendra Singh Gosain
In many ways Doval had worked for the job for the better part of his career as its brightest star. But the UPA government and its newly appointed National Security Adviser (NSA), MK Narayanan, had other plans and Doval moved out.
"Had Doval been a given a tenure then he would have done remarkable things for the IB," AS Dulat, his senior from the IB and former Research and Analysis Wing (R&AW) chief told HT.
Narayanan had decided to appoint his former staff officer, ESL Narsimhan, as the next DIB and also mandated that henceforth all IB chiefs would get a two-year tenure.
This ensured that Narsimhan, who would have retired in a month after his appointment, had a long stint, while Doval went home to a house built by his sons in Noida, Uttar Pradesh.
Doval, however, is expected to be back and in charge, when the government announces him as India's fifth National Security Adviser. Such an announcement is expected anytime soon.
Sources in the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) told HT the decision to have Doval on board as the NSA was taken by Narendra Modi even before the election results were out and he became Prime Minister.
Before this comeback into the limelight, Doval was heading the Vivekananda International Foundation (VIF) and had managed to put together an enviable team of former intelligence chiefs and diplomats to study national security.
Former R&AW chief CD Sahay was one of the first to join him and former foreign secretary Kanwal Sibal was among others who frequented VIF regularly.
"The fact that people from the military, intelligence agencies, diplomats and researchers flocked to him show the respect the man commands in the national security framework," a former intelligence chief told HT.
BJP insiders say this was a factor that weighed heavily in his favour before he was selected as the NSA. According to the insiders, Doval's position in the government will be crucial.
The former intelligence chief has an acute observation on this point. "Like the Prime Minister, Ajit (Doval) will have to grow into the job. Being an NSA means you have to shake many big hands. You need to have a bigger vision and overview."
Another former colleague recalls Doval would often seek more latitude from the politicians to get the job done. "Now that he has a Prime Minister of his choosing, he will be pushing harder. But he also has to be careful because the Prime Minister will be seeking his advice and the appetite for taking risks in government is always limited," the former colleague said.
In many ways, Doval is the quintessential out-of-the-box thinker.
When Mizo insurgency was at its peak, Doval infiltrated into the Mizo National Front's camp in the Arakans in Burma to meet Laldenga, the movement's leader. In an interview to a magazine later, Laldenga would cite Doval's work as the reason he decided to come on board and sign the Mizoram accord.
"I had seven military commanders under me. When Doval left, he took six of them with him and I had no choice but to come on board and negotiate a peace accord," Laldenga told his interviewers.
During Operation Black Thunder-II that was launched to flush out militants from the Golden Temple in 1988, a small man, believed to be a Pakistani agent, quietly walked in. He met the Khalistani militant leaders and went missing soon after.
Years later, it emerged that the man posing as a Pakistani agent was actually Doval.
He would become the first police officer to be awarded the second-highest peacetime gallantry award, the Kirti Chakra, for his exploits during the operation.
In Kashmir he would wean away militants such as Kuka Parray and turn them into assets for security forces.
In 1999 he was the lead negotiator for the release of the IC 814 hostages from Kandahar in Afghanistan. "Doval never hesitated to take risks and this has always stood him in good stead and made him such an outstanding intelligence officer," Dulat said.
During the NDA years, under Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee, Doval began to create structures to reform the sharing of information between intelligence agencies.
He set up the Multi Agency Centre (MAC) to help put all the agencies on one table to share real-time information. He also created the Joint Task Force on Intelligence (JTFI) that would concentrate on counter-terrorism.
He was also a strong advocate of the Prevention of Terrorism Act, 2002, that gave sweeping powers to the police to combat terror. The law was controversial and was scrapped as soon as the UPA government came to power in 2004.
For years Doval has advocated the improvement of internal security capacities and defence in a practical manner. Unlike the past NSAs who preferred to look at external issues, Doval is likely to concentrate on building India's internal capacities.
Building border infrastructure, modernising the intelligence community and pushing for a POTA-like law will be among his priorities.
A critic of the UIDAI scheme, he is likely to push for the Multi-Purpose National Identity Card scheme that established an identity programme based on citizenship rather than residence in India. There is much to do, but most agree that Doval is a doer.
A 1968-batch Indian Police Service officer of Kerala cadre, Doval barely spent any time in the state before heading into the IB.
Few would have known then that this small man would emerge as one of the giants of the Indian intelligence community.
Ajit Doval, giant among spies, reports back for duty soon
On January 31, 2005, Ajit Kumar Doval sat down at 9, Tughlak Road--the official house of the director, Intelligence Bureau (DIB)--for the last time to greet well-wishers. He was stepping down after eight months on the job.
Ajit Kumar Doval, former director IB, speaks at the Hindustan Times Leadership Summit in New Delhi. HT/Virendra Singh Gosain
In many ways Doval had worked for the job for the better part of his career as its brightest star. But the UPA government and its newly appointed National Security Adviser (NSA), MK Narayanan, had other plans and Doval moved out.
"Had Doval been a given a tenure then he would have done remarkable things for the IB," AS Dulat, his senior from the IB and former Research and Analysis Wing (R&AW) chief told HT.
Narayanan had decided to appoint his former staff officer, ESL Narsimhan, as the next DIB and also mandated that henceforth all IB chiefs would get a two-year tenure.
This ensured that Narsimhan, who would have retired in a month after his appointment, had a long stint, while Doval went home to a house built by his sons in Noida, Uttar Pradesh.
Doval, however, is expected to be back and in charge, when the government announces him as India's fifth National Security Adviser. Such an announcement is expected anytime soon.
Sources in the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) told HT the decision to have Doval on board as the NSA was taken by Narendra Modi even before the election results were out and he became Prime Minister.
Before this comeback into the limelight, Doval was heading the Vivekananda International Foundation (VIF) and had managed to put together an enviable team of former intelligence chiefs and diplomats to study national security.
Former R&AW chief CD Sahay was one of the first to join him and former foreign secretary Kanwal Sibal was among others who frequented VIF regularly.
"The fact that people from the military, intelligence agencies, diplomats and researchers flocked to him show the respect the man commands in the national security framework," a former intelligence chief told HT.
BJP insiders say this was a factor that weighed heavily in his favour before he was selected as the NSA. According to the insiders, Doval's position in the government will be crucial.
The former intelligence chief has an acute observation on this point. "Like the Prime Minister, Ajit (Doval) will have to grow into the job. Being an NSA means you have to shake many big hands. You need to have a bigger vision and overview."
Another former colleague recalls Doval would often seek more latitude from the politicians to get the job done. "Now that he has a Prime Minister of his choosing, he will be pushing harder. But he also has to be careful because the Prime Minister will be seeking his advice and the appetite for taking risks in government is always limited," the former colleague said.
In many ways, Doval is the quintessential out-of-the-box thinker.
When Mizo insurgency was at its peak, Doval infiltrated into the Mizo National Front's camp in the Arakans in Burma to meet Laldenga, the movement's leader. In an interview to a magazine later, Laldenga would cite Doval's work as the reason he decided to come on board and sign the Mizoram accord.
"I had seven military commanders under me. When Doval left, he took six of them with him and I had no choice but to come on board and negotiate a peace accord," Laldenga told his interviewers.
During Operation Black Thunder-II that was launched to flush out militants from the Golden Temple in 1988, a small man, believed to be a Pakistani agent, quietly walked in. He met the Khalistani militant leaders and went missing soon after.
Years later, it emerged that the man posing as a Pakistani agent was actually Doval.
He would become the first police officer to be awarded the second-highest peacetime gallantry award, the Kirti Chakra, for his exploits during the operation.
In Kashmir he would wean away militants such as Kuka Parray and turn them into assets for security forces.
In 1999 he was the lead negotiator for the release of the IC 814 hostages from Kandahar in Afghanistan. "Doval never hesitated to take risks and this has always stood him in good stead and made him such an outstanding intelligence officer," Dulat said.
During the NDA years, under Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee, Doval began to create structures to reform the sharing of information between intelligence agencies.
He set up the Multi Agency Centre (MAC) to help put all the agencies on one table to share real-time information. He also created the Joint Task Force on Intelligence (JTFI) that would concentrate on counter-terrorism.
He was also a strong advocate of the Prevention of Terrorism Act, 2002, that gave sweeping powers to the police to combat terror. The law was controversial and was scrapped as soon as the UPA government came to power in 2004.
For years Doval has advocated the improvement of internal security capacities and defence in a practical manner. Unlike the past NSAs who preferred to look at external issues, Doval is likely to concentrate on building India's internal capacities.
Building border infrastructure, modernising the intelligence community and pushing for a POTA-like law will be among his priorities.
A critic of the UIDAI scheme, he is likely to push for the Multi-Purpose National Identity Card scheme that established an identity programme based on citizenship rather than residence in India. There is much to do, but most agree that Doval is a doer.
A 1968-batch Indian Police Service officer of Kerala cadre, Doval barely spent any time in the state before heading into the IB.
Few would have known then that this small man would emerge as one of the giants of the Indian intelligence community.
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