Indian MI chief visited Kabul to assess situation

[ambidex]

The opposite side of politic in India is very reactive and critical on such issues.
They will die debating this issue before any conclusion.

Post kandahar hijack we were helpless and post 9/11 US provided us an opportunity to place our own thermometers in Afghanistan.

India has no desire to send a single army men in Afghanistan till date. One of my friend in New Delhi told me recently in a lighter note (which was not lighter as i know) that India will send its men to support NATO if Russia will join the club. Which is not possible?

At present India is not capable logistically to help forces but to protect its precious investments only.

 

[rastor]

India's interest is to stay out of this. Its troops are already stretched, and 1.2 Billion $ spent on Afghanistan with no tangible returns in an uncertain atmosphere. Besides the reaction from pak would border on paranoia & would further endanger ISAF mission which would be the primary stabilizer for Afghanistan. India is determined to deny pak the kind of influence the extremist taliban govt gave pak. The status quo achieves that.

The present policy is good for Indian interest. Strengthen afghanistan govt, let Pakistan shed blood in lieu of keeping its cards open vis-a-vis Afghanistan. The consequences of this policy is more unrest & retarded economic growth which will serve to diminish pak's power. If pak decides to get rid of taliban then it is all the more better for India with possibility of ripple effect in kashmir and creation of atmosphere for pursuing peace with pak.

Sending troops would be a strategic mistake for India.

 

[S-2]

"At present India is not capable logistically to help forces..."

Chabahar is entirely feasible and you've just completed a road connecting such.

"...but to protect its precious investments only..."

In our absence such will be unprotected unless the GoA/ANA make gains in performance of an exponential leap over a very short period of time.

We'll get them close. Over the hump, though? I'm unsure and can't read the tea-leaves sufficiently.

Thanks.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

S2

My prespective is, let the game begin . It will be a dream come true opportunity for Pakistan ....!

 

[ek_indian]

S2

My prespective is, let the game begin . It will be a dream come true opportunity for Pakistan ....!

India is not going to send his army there. Those who know a bit of Indian politics, would conclude it as a thing not going to happen. There would be fierce opposition of it if govt ever tries to try it.

But yes, if this is called a game.....I hope two can play it.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

I think some people are provoking a "Sandwich Theorem" Philosophy with Pakistan in the middle leaving it with no option of tactical maneuvers .

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

India is not going to send his army there. Those who know a bit of Indian politics, would conclude it as a thing not going to happen. There would be fierce opposition of it if govt ever tries to try it.

But what if they do, just to have some kind of tactical advantage over Pakistan in case of WAR prescribed by your latest doctrine .
I know its highly unlikely for India to send troops to Afghanstan . But i still fear maybe they are willing to have a go , in return for all those red hot weapons uncle sam has to offer , not to speak of the sidelined diplomatic packages .
By doing so India might have an opertunity to project itself as highly influential player in Asia competing with the Chinese ...!

 

[ambidex]

"At present India is not capable logistically to help forces..."

Chabahar is entirely feasible and you've just completed a road connecting such.

"...but to protect its precious investments only..."

In our absence such will be unprotected unless the GoA/ANA make gains in performance of an exponential leap over a very short period of time.

We'll get them close. Over the hump, though? I'm unsure and can't read the tea-leaves sufficiently.

Thanks.

Sir,

I am referring this with extreme confidence: Our investments in Afghanistan are well calculated and the foreseeability of the fact is that Pakistan is now not able to win Afghanistan again at all. Pakistan will be a friend of Afghanistan or enemy not policy maker.

Nor we are capable neither interested in logistical misadventures to enhance or supply routs at this stage.
GoI will wait to pact some security assignment with stable Govt. in Afghanistan in near future otherwise by law and internal pressures we still think plugging Pakistan via AF is big no no.

India will be only protected by what US has achieved so far by creating an International tempo in support to a non Taliban regime (democratic) in Afghanistan.

At present India has only benefited from the divide exposed by US operations in many radical Islamic groups operating in Pakistan. What else US is admitting now was never a riddle for us rather we were shouting it from the roof.

Ball is at the court of US and will always remain their.
India is expecting from US is to wait for Pakistan army to run out of its resources and exhaust; till it turns into another Afghanistan or will expect US to keep boosting Pakistan with money and arms so will always stay in the region to make sure its money is well utilized for his own interests.

 

[karan.1970]

Sir,

I am referring this with extreme confidence: Our investments in Afghanistan are well calculated and the foreseeability of the fact is that Pakistan is now not able to win Afghanistan again at all. Pakistan will be a friend of Afghanistan or enemy not policy maker.

Nor we are capable neither interested in logistical misadventures to enhance or supply routs at this stage.
GoI will wait to pact some security assignment with stable Govt. in Afghanistan in near future otherwise by law and internal pressures we still think plugging Pakistan via AF is big no no.

India will be only protected by what US has achieved so far by creating an International tempo in support to a non Taliban regime (democratic) in Afghanistan.

At present India has only benefited from the divide exposed by US operations in many radical Islamic groups operating in Pakistan. What else US is admitting now was never a riddle for us rather we were shouting it from the roof.

Ball is at the court of US and will always remain their.
India is expecting from US is to wait for Pakistan army to run out of its resources and exhaust; till it turns into another Afghanistan or will expect US to keep boosting Pakistan with money and arms so will always stay in the region to make sure its money is well utilized for his own interests.

Friend.. Dont expect US to solve your problems.. India's problem is that we always let the initiative pass.. I am not advocating sending troops to Afg, but there is more than one way to skln a cat..

If ball is in the US court, lets get it back to ours and do something about it. After all its our neighbourhood not US's

 

[ambidex]

Friend.. Dont expect US to solve your problems.. India's problem is that we always let the initiative pass.. I am not advocating sending troops to Afg, but there is more than one way to skln a cat..

If ball is in the US court, lets get it back to ours and do something about it. After all its our neighbourhood not US's

Getting ball from US is a logistical nightmare if you think about contemporary Indian capabilities. As it is said fools think about tactics and wise about logistics.

To check and balance Pak we do not need Afghanistan. Af is only required to smell whats cooking in that part of the word.

As is in medicine we say eyes tell about brain and tongue about abdomen.

India was always bullied by radical Islamic insurgents used as strategic assets by Pakistan. Our problem was/is not what Pakistan is militarily capable but was to understand the cause root of waves and waves of rented insurgent entering in to our territories. We were aware of these sanctuaries operating in these areas and potential infiltrators at the disposal to raise hell in Indian cities.

I must tell you that India was so much ignorant that during Kandahar episode GoI was even thinking to recognise that regime as a genuine bonafide govt in Afghanistan.

Thanks to US that now Pakistan is more reluctant to use these uncontrolled regimes to bully India and exposing the divide. Now we are in Afghanistan to get more direct inputs rather making foolish decision and over preparing what else Pakistan may use against us. It will save our cost..you know what i mean.

 

[karan.1970]

Getting ball from US is a logistical nightmare if you think about contemporary Indian capabilities. As it is said fools think about tactics and wise about logistics.

To check and balance Pak we do not need Afghanistan. Af is only required to smell whats cooking in that part of the word.

As is in medicine we say eyes tell about brain and tongue about abdomen.

India was always bullied by radical Islamic insurgents used as strategic assets by Pakistan. Our problem was/is not what Pakistan is militarily capable but was to understand the cause root of waves and waves of rented insurgent entering in to our territories. We were aware of these sanctuaries operating in these areas and potential infiltrators at the disposal to raise hell in Indian cities.

I must tell you that India was so much ignorant that during Kandahar episode GoI was even thinking to recognise that regime as a genuine bonafide govt in Afghanistan.

Thanks to US that now Pakistan is more reluctant to use these uncontrolled regimes to bully India and exposing the divide. Now we are in Afghanistan to get more direct inputs rather making foolish decision and over preparing what else Pakistan may use against us. It will save our cost..you know what i mean.

I dont think we are saying different things.. By ball I mean initiative.. As you see in my post, I agree that troop deployment is not something India can do at this time.. But we need to ensure that we dont get sidelined when important decisions in afghanistan are being made by US and Afghan govt. We need to stay engaged (as I say there are more than one way to skin a cat) and help ensure that another taliban invasion does not take place..

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

I dont think we are saying different things.. By ball I mean initiative.. As you see in my post, I agree that troop deployment is not something India can do at this time.. But we need to ensure that we dont get sidelined when important decisions in afghanistan are being made by US and Afghan govt. We need to stay engaged (as I say there are more than one way to skin a cat) and help ensure that another taliban invasion does not take place..

Oh yeah thats great ...I think India should send its forces to Afghanistan and has its stake in establishing a Pro Indian Afghan Government ..rit .. ! I guess Yanks are your true Allies ... Go,on tiger grab that opportunity ....

 

[Patriot]

I honestly pray that India sends its army probably 100 to 200k to Afghanistan.That will be a huge help for Pakistan and it certainly will be appreciated.

 

[HAIDER]

First Indian chief is going kabul, recently after total failure of kabul security. Second US will want strong Pakistan just to partially neutralize India in different geopolitical venues..(US policy : US fire some warning shots after India took over Bangladesh) Chahbar is some political inconvenience route for US and physically not feasible trade route.

 

[FireFighter]

India will most likey be involved ONLY in training and educational role in Afg. I seriously doubt the US/NATO would allow any further b/c they know Indian govern't has an ill intent in the region as it dreams of becoming another super power, a dominant world power, but the US/NATO are attempting to confine India's power ambitions to the South Asian region, not the world, and that too subservient to their interests.


And what does that "training and educational role" entail? That entails they will bring their books and experience with them to the table, they will teach their version of sub-continental history and philosophy, not to mention their military tactics and experience, all of them contain strong anti-Pakistan elements to it. And the innocent poor and illiterate afghans would simply consume it. They will train afghans psychologically against the Afghan Pashtoon groups and Pakistan, just like they trained the Mukti-Bahini rebels in Bangladesh. I also suspect a bollywood invasion, too in Afghanistan.


India doesn't have the will or guts to deploy soldiers, they'll be confined to petty construction and educational jobs. The good thing is that in this info-age, things are no-longer hidden, they'll be training only the dari/tajic/uzbek elements and largely ignoring pashtoon belts. lets see how successful they become in their aspirations. Afghan history is a testimony against all foreign attempts to control Afghanistan. Will they surpass all the odds and accomplish their goals? Highly doubt it.