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India as a secular staye was hard for Pakistan to defeat. They kind of united the different faiths and casts. But the hindu india or RSS india is a piece of cake for Pakistan. Not even 10 years under hindu extremists and already india is crumbling. Imagine what will happen if these extremists remain in power for another 10 years. I really hope modi gets another term somehow.
Covertly ISI is spending billions of dollars worth of Turkish money in an attempt to dislodge Modi from power. @SrNair

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It may not be the problem with the philosophy itself but the people.

Well, all socialist / communist countries have been experiments and succeeded to various degrees. It is better to having done the experiment than to never have tried. Compare USSR to India.

Every such "idea" is rosy, but it's never practiced.

The "People ruling themselves" part was practiced in pre-2011 Libya and is being applied in current Venezuela.

You can read how the system works in these pages.

And Indians have become familiarized with some of this through the ideology of Aam Aadmi Party and Swaraj Abhiyan. I mean their "Swaraj" system.
 
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Well, all socialist / communist countries have been experiments and succeeded to various degrees. It is better to having done the experiment than to never have tried. Compare USSR to India.
Yeah, those experiments happened when life was cheap. That is when Tyrants like Mao, Lenin and Stalin mass murdered people. Please don't compare USSR to India, we don't want our country to be Balkanized.

The "People ruling themselves" part was practiced in pre-2011 Libya and is being applied in current Venezuela.

You can read how the system works in these pages.

And Indians have become familiarized with some of this through the ideology of Aam Aadmi Party and Swaraj Abhiyan. I mean their "Swaraj" system.
All your examples of Socialist countries are terrible to worst. I wouldn't really compare the situation of AAP, they are sitting on a gold mine called Delhi. Bring AAP to Jharkhand, West Bengal, Tripura oh wait all these places had their time with Communists and guess what, they're now living in 'richness'.
 
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Yeah, those experiments happened when life was cheap. That is when Tyrants like Mao, Lenin and Stalin mass murdered people.

Firstly, I think those "mass murder" allegations are propaganda from the West. Like that man supposedly mown-down by a tank at Tiananmen Square.

Secondly, how many million farmers, laborers, students and white-collar professionals have committed suicide in India since Independence in 1947 due to very avoidable socio-economic reasons ? How many illegally aborted female fetuses in India have been disposed off by conveniently feeding them to dogs ? How many in India have been honor killed ? How many are bonded laborers ? How many go hungry ? How many are homeless ? Life in India is cheap, is it not ?
 
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India as a secular staye was hard for Pakistan to defeat. They kind of united the different faiths and casts. But the hindu india or RSS india is a piece of cake for Pakistan. Not even 10 years under hindu extremists and already india is crumbling. Imagine what will happen if these extremists remain in power for another 10 years. I really hope modi gets another term somehow.



I always said this


India was always a shit hole but the illusion of a secular democratic India was there so even if the few realised the reality the illusion would still continue

indian muslims themselves were under the illusion, for decades they were first in line to counter the two nation theory, abuse Jinnah, declare PAKISTAN should never have been made


we could always get through to the few but the majority remained the same deluded people



Congress wasn't much better than BJP but the risk from them was MASSIVE because the secular India for all was more difficult to counter both internationally and within our region




we desperately needed Modi
we desperately needed hindutva




they have achieved for us what decades of effort couldn't


Divided India internally
Put a bullet through the head of a secular united India idea
Allowed us to utilise hindutva as a weapon to divide and harm India

They have justified Partition and the two nation theory and why it must happen again in India



we need atleast another 10 to 20 years of Modi and hindutva and Indians themselves will be wanting to Partition India
 
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Firstly, I think those "mass murder" allegations are propaganda from the West. Like that man supposedly mown-down by a tank at Tiananmen Square.

Secondly, how many million farmers, laborers, students and white-collar professionals have committed suicide in India since Independence in 1947 due to very avoidable socio-economic reasons ? How many illegally aborted female fetuses in India have been disposed off by conveniently feeding them to dogs ? How many in India have been honor killed ? How many are bonded laborers ? How many go hungry ? How many are homeless ? Life in India is cheap, is it not ?
Spoken like a classic commie. No, they are not propaganda, the ones going on with propaganda are the communists. Oh, the Tank Man was never mowed by the Tanks he faced, there was never such allegation, but the real issue was tanks ran over people protesting in Tiananmen square. Don't obfuscate Jamahir. Given your like Wikipedia, look up Red terror.

Why do you think communism is a solution to people committing suicides, can't find a better excuse? Do tell us, how many people died in the Chinese famine when Mao was ruling with absolute communist principles. That's how the Chinese acquired the habit of eating anything that moves, and we are still facing the repercussions of that habit. What guarantee you have for that Socialism will bring about changes, give me one country that fares better with full on communism. Don't bring about examples from west where they got rich by being capitalist and are now dilly dallying with communism because they have the means to share wealth.
 
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What guarantee you have for that Socialism will bring about changes

Before the 1969 Libyan revolution the monarchic rulers did not allow the oil wealth to go to the masses and these Libyan masses were among the poorest in the world. Then Gaddafi and his comrades enabled socialist governance and in a short time the Libyan masses began to lead a comfortable life.

give me one country that fares better with full on communism.

There has been no fully communist country. In this thread I have proposed a new economic system that at least takes care of the traditional-money-less part but also ensures that there is no overconsumption of products and services.
 
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Why do you think communism is a solution to people committing suicides, can't find a better excuse?

As another member said yesterday, India is presently a "dog eat dog" society. Extremely competitive. Why do you think socialism / communism is not the solution ?
 
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Before the 1969 Libyan revolution the monarchic rulers did not allow the oil wealth to go to the masses and these Libyan masses were among the poorest in the world. Then Gaddafi and his comrades enabled socialist governance and in a short time the Libyan masses began to lead a comfortable life.
Again, you're living in the good old days where means where not important. I'm talking about sustenance, you're talking about a momentary lala land, that didn't last enough. Or it's safe to say, it's an un sustainable model of governance, and what better example we have than Libya where the same leader was hunted down by his own people.
There has been no fully communist country. In this thread I have proposed a new economic system that at least takes care of the traditional-money-less part but also ensures that there is no overconsumption of products and services.
A country that has a few million people couldn't manage to remain livable with communism. Whatever be the actual definition of communism according for you, but if you put Communism and capitalism and compare them, capitalism have taken people out of poverty. Communism not so much. It's like a religion, perpetual poverty and suffering is what Communist principles thrive on. The jealous for the rich.
As another member said yesterday, India is presently a "dog eat dog" society. Extremely competitive. Why do you think socialism / communism is not the solution ?
Because competition drives growth. Heard the term Survival of the fittest? We live in such a society. I had a friend in collage who was very active in SFI, where he talked about similar things like you, where we don't have to compete if we a sweeper earns the same as an Engineer. No matter the value or quality of the job done. My answer to you will be the same I gave it to him, I worked hard to reach where I am, he didn't work hard enough or had bad lucks, either way it's not my fault he's where he is. Why should he be rewarded the same way as him? Isn't it promoting laziness?

Anyway, that SFI friend now works in Goldman Sachs earning 6 figures, I'd ask him if he's ready to earn the same wage as a sweeper and I'm sure he'll laugh at those ideas or make an excuse like, "I really wish such things happen even now".
 
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I'm talking about sustenance, you're talking about a momentary lala land, that didn't last enough. Or it's safe to say, it's an un sustainable model of governance

The Libyan Jamahiriya perished in 2011 because it was invaded by the militaries of NATO and thousands of their supported non-state terrorists.

Or will you pretend that this did not happen ?

and what better example we have than Libya where the same leader was hunted down by his own people.

Some were Libyans ( actual, regressive rebels ) but most were terrorists from every country from Belgium to Afghanistan to Indonesia to Russia to wherever else.

About actual misguided Libyans I will quote from a thread of mine whose OP is an article Gaddafi wrote in 2011 April :
But that was never enough, as some told me. Even people who had 10-room homes, new suits and furniture, were never satisfied. As selfish as they were they wanted more, and they told Americans and other visitors, they needed ‘democracy’, and ‘freedom’, never realising it was a cut-throat system, where the biggest dog eats the rest.

They were enchanted with those words, never realising that in America, there was no free medicine, no free hospitals, no free housing, no free education and no free food, except when people had to beg or go to long lines to get soup.
You should read that thread in full.
 
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The Libyan Jamahiriya perished in 2011 because it was invaded by the militaries of NATO and thousands of their supported non-state terrorists.

Or will you pretend that this did not happen ?
Libya drowned in the Arab Spring. Do I need to explain more? Which says, that's all it took to take down the utopia, one small rebellion. That's how weak your little Socialist country was.
Some were Libyans ( actual, regressive rebels ) but most were terrorists from every country from Belgium to Afghanistan to Indonesia to Russia to wherever else.

About actual misguided Libyans I will quote from a thread of mine whose OP is an article Gaddafi wrote in 2011 April :
There was a time when there were Pakistanis like Masood Azhar came and lived in Kashmir like it's a walk in the park, there were also times when we could find Afghans or Chechens in Kashmir. Did our country broke apart? There was a time when few Naga militants grew so powerful that India didn't even had any control in Nagaland and surrounding states, when Nagas shot down our plane. Did India break apart?

If we were having a commie one party rule in a country like India with all welfare, I'm pretty sure there will not be an India that would've survived 70 years. Communists in India are so bad that, none of the states where they rule developed, but instead got destroyed. "Experiments" in West Bengal can be taken as an example.
You should read that thread in full.
Please, I have read what Gaddafi wrote some time back. I've been a student of economics, so far it's theories never failed, that is the basic Economic problem "Human wants are unlimited, Nobody can claim that all of his wants have been satisfied and he has no need to satisfy any further want." Libya may have been a model socialist state. It's in the past, the best working model so far has been democracy with common laws. Pretty much survived two world wars, civil wars and been here for like 240+ years, and is the most common form of government that's best suited for a country like India. You can disagree with me, and criticize democracy as much as you want but you will not be prosecuted for it. Pretty low standard to compare with when it comes to communist countries.
 
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Covertly ISI is spending billions of dollars worth of Turkish money in an attempt to dislodge Modi from power. @SrNair

- PRTP GWD

Hahahaha why would ISI do that? U think they are dumb like indians? If modi is removed so what? Congress was a bigger problem for Pakistan, modi is doing better than what ISI could do.
 
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Hahahaha why would ISI do that? U think they are dumb like indians? If modi is removed so what? Congress was a bigger problem for Pakistan, modi is doing better than what ISI could do.
No dude. This is a misconception propagated by ISI that Modi is bad for India.

Regarding CAA: Less percentage of Muslims means less the rate of subversive elements.

Regarding revoking article 370: Kashmiris would hate us either way, with or without article 370. Preserving article 370 didn't make them love us. So why not do away with this nonsense?

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There was a time when there were Pakistanis like Masood Azhar came and lived in Kashmir like it's a walk in the park, there were also times when we could find Afghans or Chechens in Kashmir. Did our country broke apart? There was a time when few Naga militants grew so powerful that India didn't even had any control in Nagaland and surrounding states, when Nagas shot down our plane. Did India break apart?

Wrong comparison. Was Kashmir bombarded by 30+6 militaries ( NATO+CCC ) and over-run by thousands of their supported non-state terrorists ?

Libya was.

If we were having a commie one party rule in a country like India with all welfare, I'm pretty sure there will not be an India that would've survived 70 years.

I am not proposing one-party rule as that again would be not democracy. I speak of Direct Democracy where there
would be no party at all and people rule themselves directly. You can read here how that will work.

Of course the system will have to be tempered and guided by socialism because we don't want to have Haryana-style Khap Panchayats ruling us.

Communists in India are so bad that, none of the states where they rule developed, but instead got destroyed. "Experiments" in West Bengal can be taken as an example.

There is a resurgence of socialist thought with youth leaders like Kanhaiya, Shehla and Umar. If they sit and consider successful socialist experiments around the world they will be able to apply those ideas to India.
 
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