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Pak propaganda at its best in Waziristan: Rediff.com News

It's a propaganda war in South Waziristan,'Pakistanis prefer Indian medicine'
Another propaganda war in S Waziristan,'It will boost Taliban's image'
The war goes on

Last updated on: November 10, 2009 20:34 IST

Pakistan has dragged India's name into its South Waziristan mess. Tahir Ali finds out why.

Does India have a role in restive South Waziristan?

Most experts in Pakistan feel talk about India's alleged role in the trouble-torn area is part of a propaganda war being conducted by the Pakistan army, which is feeling the heat in its battle against the Hakimullah Mehsud-led Tehrik Taliban Pakistan.

Many analysts say the Pakistani forces are resorting to the propaganda war through government-run media -- planting news items like 'Indian arms and ammunition, literature, medical equipment have been recovered from Sherwangi near Kaniguram during search and combing operations' -- to crush the Taliban's image across the country.

Rahimullah Yousafzai, the respected expert on Afghanistan and Pashtun affairs, told rediff.com, "Pakistan claims it has recovered Indian weaponry and medicines from South Waziristan. But I don't believe such reports. There are no such links between India and the Taliban. Even if India supports militancy, it is not foolish enough to leave the evidence."

Photographs: Faisal Mahmood/Reuters
 
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My assertion are:

1)The author of the "idea of Pakistan" (i forgot his name) mentioned in one his column in early 2007 that the young army officer of Pakistan army are not motivated enough to fight in Waziristan; therefore untill we "don not add" Indian element to this war, the army will not fight.
(re-printed in daily times)

2) Taliban are as enemies of the India as they are enemies of America (or as some say proxies of america).

3) Till now a single Indian have not been captured. (atleast not produced in front of media)

4)This propaganda has only roots in ISPR (leaks and intelligence reports) and its two mouth speaks (Zaid Hamid and Ahmed Qureishi).

5) The only picture produced by Zaid Hamid and Ahmed Qureishi claiming them to be "Indian Gorkha" might be Uzbeks whose "Khatna" were not done as lot of Uzbeks originally are not circumcised because they grew up in communist regime.

6) Pakistan never raised this issue internationally and its for internal consumption.

7) Indian interest would be jeopardized if Taliban grow too strong. (Though a distant reality).

8) This propaganda originated when "there are foreigners" proganda was not accepted by people as enough excuse for operations as these "foreigners" did nothing before 9/11. They were respected because they sacrificed there blood relations to help afghans.

9) Presence of some intelligence agents of the all major countries exist in other countries. So no one deny that there are none.

9) The last but not the least, America want operations whatever the excuse might be. As Pakistan army is originally trained as Anti India and our focus in India centric therefore what better excuse than this.

Whats your input on this issue?????????
 
your article only suggests me one thing that you are on the payroll of some foreign media who undermines anything what we claim.:wave:
 
READ THIS IN PERSPECTIVE OF 9/11, OPENING OF GAWADAR AND WHATS HAPPENING IN AND AROUND PAKISTAN TODAY.


Pakistan : The Counter Strategy
By Bharat Verma
Issue: Vol 14.2 Apr-Jun 1999
In the big picture of the Pakistani game plan, Kargil is merely a footnote. Pakistan’s end game is to cause as much destruction within India by activating direct insurgency in Kashmir, extending support to terrorist activities in the North East and supplying arms and explosives to sow seeds of dissent within the country against the legitimately elected authority of the state. Inability of the political leadership in the last fifty years to grasp the essential elements of the entire picture is evident from the fact that Pakistan continues to dictate and sustain its activities detrimental to the Indian nation-state even today.

After a Herculean effort India will once again manage to prevail in Kargil due to a dedicated military machine and in comparison, considerable resources at our disposal. However, as in the past, so in the future, Pakistan will continue to tie down the Indian military and police resources and the administration through smuggling of mercenaries and arms via coastal areas of Gujarat, hostile terrain of Kashmir, porous borders of Rajasthan, soft states of Nepal, Bhutan and Bangladesh, and by extending narco-terrorism into Punjab.

To a determined enemy endless possibilities abound since it has correctly gauged that Indian political leadership does not have the will to pose a direct challenge to the integrity of Pakistan. Instead, as usual, India will react by deploying its resources inside to contain the collateral damage. Thus this defensive-defence strategic doctrine propagated by Indians since independence has put the nation-state in an extremely vulnerable position. The enemy time and again holds us to ransom because the pre-eminent power in the sub-continent refuses to project any counter threat, which will force the adversary to behave.

The faulty defensive-defence doctrine envisages defending the territorial integrity of India by deploying physically the military resources merely to push back the invasion to the LoC or the international borders. The enemy is allowed to live to strike on another day. This strategic doctrine is an extension of the centuries old fortress mentality or fighting from fixed positions, which resulted in unprecedented invasions in the past from our Western borders. Our history argues against it because defensive-defence mode erroneously has always allowed the enemy to retain the element of surprise. And is akin to the adversary perpetually dominating our half of the soccer field. In such a self-destructive mode, it is obvious that goals will be scored as they were in Kargil. With large borders located in hostile terrain, this politico-military doctrine expects the impossible - to guard physically every square inch of the territory. In Kargil alone, a stretch of 140 km will require at least seven divisions! The other negative dimension is the internal consumption of enormous military power due to external interference. This practically leaves no military power surplus to deal with the frontal abuse of our territorial integrity frequently. Kargil is a prime example.

India needs to look at this unique position of asymmetry in thinking vis-a-vis the rest of the world. More so, as weapons and forces by themselves do not constitute the source of security or threat but the ideas and attitude governing their use and usability do. Therefore, the political leadership to safeguard national interests must shift to the strategic doctrine of offensive-defence. This will ensure defence of vital national interests along with the territorial integrity. It’s an assertive (not aggressive) territory plus philosophy which, if used wisely, can play hell into the forces inimical to India.

Our vital national interests stand threatened by any activities of a potential adversary, which in any manner tends to vitiate peace, harmony, prosperity and progress of India. Thus in offensive-defence mode, correct appreciation of the situation and counter action to neutralize the developing threat prior to their affect the society or the territorial integrity of the country are mandatory. On shifting its posture to offensive-defence, Indian counter strategy will emerge based on the critical evaluation as stated subsequently.

The bitter truth about the partition of India out of fundamentalist hatred, shooting and looting of the population moving to India, and the adventure in Kashmir in 1947-48 reveal the first signs of Pakistani design to disturb our tranquility. Operation Gibraltar in 1965, the war in 1971 and the waging of low intensity conflict since 1989 and other terrorist activities to date point in one single direction - imbalance India through all means causing destruction wherever possible. Animosity towards India is not only indicated in the barbaric murder and mutilation of our soldiers’ bodies but during cricket matches too. Rest of bonhomie displayed in people to people contact is merely an eyewash. This is the big picture, which in the last fifty years our political class has refused to come to grip with. Resultant mischief by Pakistan has compelled us to shell out billions to defend ourselves against the recurring menace.

Under offensive-defence doctrine, the bottom-line assessment is that a stable Pakistan is not in our national interest. A counter strategy to degrade Pakistan’s capability to pose a threat in future needs to be worked upon. Strategic calculations should be based primarily on two aspects. First, much should not be read read into the international diplomatic support. The reason being that whether it is America or China, their stance will always be rooted in geopolitics and geoeconomic compulsions and not in morality or emotions. India should learn to similarly deal with cold blooded ruthlessness based on our national interests. Therefore, the international weight behind India is valid upto a point. Especially true, in the ultimate analysis, as we have to trouble shoot and win our own wars. Second, to succeed the counter strategy must be a pragmatic study of the prevalent political, economic and social conditions in Pakistan.

Pakistan without a national identity is an incomplete, therefore, an insecure or failed state. Seeds of instability were sown by the Punjabi Mussalman who dominate all structures of power. Claims laid to equality in power sharing by the Sindhis, Pathans and Baluchis were ignored and are subject of widespread dissent. Mohajirs who leveraged the partition of India, on shifting to Pakistan were treated as second class citizens. They not only demand recognition as the fifth nationality but want to carve a new province out of Sindh for themselves. The Islamic fundamentalists enjoy minimal popular support but use Islam as an instrument to control power in Pakistan. This has unleashed armed sectarian violence due to conflicting interpretation of Muslim law and doctrine between Sunnis and Shias. Taliban’s radical Islam further adds shattering tremors to this fragile construct. The economic scenario is bleak with an adverse balance of payment position. Unsound bailout through IMF on behest of America due to a possibility of nuclear blackmail by Pakistan will not remove the state of bankruptcy. Especially since Pakistan, a nest of Islamic fundamentalist organisations continues to divert money in export of Jihad and narco-terrorism to the West, besides India.

To counter Pakistan, an assertive diplomacy based on gaining friends, and allies through mutual beneficial activity in the realm of geopolitics and geoeconomics should be the cornerstone of our foreign policy. On the other track, covert operations to increase dissension and widen gulf between different nationalities must be activated.

In a role reversal, India should dictate the agenda, create mayhem inside, and turn the heat on Pakistan. It is in our vital national interest to perpetually keep Pakistan off-balance till it sues for peace. Coherent accretion of military power with lethal offensive capability, which, if unleashed can create terror in the minds of the enemy is a paramount requirement. The awe of a lean and mighty military machine itself is a deterrent which prevents the outbreak of a war. In a bold political move, Indian Defence Forces should be allowed to cross the LoC as and when necessary, build counter-pressure points along the border to diffuse Kargil and be given a free hand in the conduct of operations. Otherwise we will be committing a similar mistake as in 1947-48 where we first absorbed the shock and then doubled our effort to repel it!. While maintaining the international diplomatic initiative, we must remember that G-8 countries will not bail us out or fight on our behalf. Therefore, it is time India unshackles and shifts its mindset from the ostrich like position to a credible assertive posture.

The strategic mosaic of the big picture contains elements which pose a threat to India from the Pakistan-Taliban combine. Attempts to Talibanise the Muslim population areas of India and China and occupation of under populated areas of Leh are the main thrusts of operations. This challenge is backed by Osama bin Laden and Islamic fundamentalist organisations located globally. The threat to the West by the Pak-Taliban-Laden nexus is in equal proportions. India, under offensive-defence operations needs to develop a strategic doctrine which looks deep inside Afghanistan and Pakistan to nullify and destruct the emanating threats. India will need considerable diplomatic skills and military ’stand alone’ capabilities to negate the challenge. On one hand, we have to make an effort to bring this picture in ’sync’ with Russia, China and Iran and on the other, sufficiently dovetail it with the Western powers who already operate a hidden global agenda to neutralise the Islamic fundamentalism. It is vital to understand that in the Pakistani big picture, Kargil is merely a footnote and not the endgame.

First published in IDR Vol. 14 (2) April-June 1999. Bharat Verma, Editor Indian Defence Review.
 
dont pretend to be pakistani son :P ur about to get banned, adios :wave:
 
I only receive one reply in shape of an article and two intimidation? May i know why?
Why cant we discuss this topic, i wonder? What you stand for that disagree with it>

Is this freedom of speech?
If i disagree with what "you stand for" (though i dont know what you stand for EXACTLY) then i cant express my ideas..

I have presented arguments, and it should be responded with arguments.
Am i wrong??
 
By the way the article is 1999 time. Much of the water has flown since!!
 
The topic has already been discussed in other threads, plzzz find those threads and discuss there, no need for opening a new one.

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