Indian Helicopter Was Most Likely Also Shot Down by PAF

[GumNaam]

What was that weird name!!!.Please let us know

 

[MastanKhan]

Seems too good to be true. If it's true then it means
JF-17s played second fiddle to mirages in ground attack and to F-16s in air combat. Guy in this audio calls thunder as F-17 and mirage 2000c as 21C.
Also claims of 3 jets and a helicopter going down.

Hi,

That is 'not right thinking'---. Every tool has its place and position in a tool box---.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Hi,

A BVR missile can be converted to surface to air mode.

The range going up would be less---but it is doable---.



Hi,

Here is the answer @Khafee ---. Modi confirmed the Paf claim of downing the SU30 and M2K---.

@sohail.ishaque Smart guy---very smart indeed---answer showed right in front of our faces and the message did not register---.

Modi's speech was an open admission that an SU30 and an M2K were shot down---.

There was no reason for him to be asking for the Rafale if his current top fighters were not shot down---.

@Khafee here is the reason why analysis keeps changing of a hot contested item---suddenly a different view is projected from a known known---you stand back a look at the picture from a different angle and then the perspective has changed---.

Suddenly---the intensity of the indian premier about the lack of Rafale emerges giving out a different message about the ever important " why he stated what he did --- what was the urpose and reason behind it ---what was the significance of that confusing statement ".

We see strength and weakness from our perspective---. We see the utility and strength of the SU30 and the M2K from our perspective---if we don't see the weakness---we would also not expect the weakness from these aircraft---.

So---the perspective of looking thru enemy's mindset and his operational status---shows a totally different picture that what we expected---.

He was crying telling the nation---look I told you this beforehand---these aircraft will fail and we needed to get that aircraft---.

A win-win for Modi!!! He's making his financiers happy....

And the remaining jigsaw puzzle was completed by IAF itself by awarding the SU 30 pilot for dodging the AMRAAM. But not for the SD 10 which implies that the elta Jamming and EW simply failed to miscue the SD 10 and the secure Link 17 bus.

A great observation!!! If true it means the total EW domination by the PAF!!! And, it further implies don't depend on the "export" versions from the "usual suspects"....

 

[crankthatskunk]

telling it publically mean asking IAF to strike back.
its not bollywood

What difference does it make, if PAF tells it publically or not!! IAF already knows how and why it went down. Missiles do leave a trail and proofs.

Yeah... That does sound a bit off

Seems like fighter pilots were flying a heli

More likely scenario is that the name of the pilots of the two main kills by PAF i.e. SU30 and M2000 have been included at the Mi17 crash so it can be confirmed to their families that they are dead, but not in what circumstances.

after the indian elections...

Nope. Forever.

 

[blain2]

If this is true then what is holding ISPR back to claim it ?

Ratchet down the tensions is the primary reason. Simple as that. This is not a schoolyard fight for Pakistan to stick its thumb in Indian noses by making more claims when the public was being driven into a frenzy on the Indian side. Once the fighting occurred, both sides realized the need to de-escalate. For precedence, Pakistan too did not retaliate after the Atlantique was shot down killing 17 crew.

 

[ziaulislam]

PAF had nothing to do with Mi 17. Mi 17 had taken off without informing traffic controller. It was shot down by IAF.

And that is the truth.

Is this the official version of india?

 

[1Paki$tani]

PAF had nothing to do with Mi 17. Mi 17 had taken off without informing traffic controller. It was shot down by IAF.

And that is the truth.

Is that so? mind sharing when this was stated.

beside why would Mi 17 take off without informing the traffic given there were more than 2 people (pilot and co pilot) on board hence some form of pre-planned flight. Even if it did, do you always shoot down your own plane??

Normally dont you attempt to identify and air craft, make radio contact especially when its your own plane and if it turns out the it has gone rouge only than you would shoot it down.

It seems the knock on the head by PAF was ready biggie and you guys are losing you mind with each passing day.

 

[Riz]

Hi,

A BVR missile can be converted to surface to air mode.

The range going up would be less---but it is doable---.



Hi,

Here is the answer @Khafee ---. Modi confirmed the Paf claim of downing the SU30 and M2K---.

@sohail.ishaque Smart guy---very smart indeed---answer showed right in front of our faces and the message did not register---.

Modi's speech was an open admission that an SU30 and an M2K were shot down---.

There was no reason for him to be asking for the Rafale if his current top fighters were not shot down---.

@Khafee here is the reason why analysis keeps changing of a hot contested item---suddenly a different view is projected from a known known---you stand back a look at the picture from a different angle and then the perspective has changed---.

Suddenly---the intensity of the indian premier about the lack of Rafale emerges giving out a different message about the ever important " why he stated what he did --- what was the urpose and reason behind it ---what was the significance of that confusing statement ".

We see strength and weakness from our perspective---. We see the utility and strength of the SU30 and the M2K from our perspective---if we don't see the weakness---we would also not expect the weakness from these aircraft---.

So---the perspective of looking thru enemy's mindset and his operational status---shows a totally different picture that what we expected---.

He was crying telling the nation---look I told you this beforehand---these aircraft will fail and we needed to get that aircraft---.

Threatening to attack with missiles was a kind of message that IAF & IN both forces shown modi middle finger . Modi g we can attack but their response will be more destructive.. So better for us to announce missile attack then inform all big powers we are going to attack them with missiles, and modi team was confident that P5 will sure find a way for face saving.. And they did convince IK to release poilet urgently..

 

[crankthatskunk]

Is that so? mind sharing when this was stated.

beside why would Mi 17 take off without informing the traffic given there were more than 2 people (pilot and co pilot) on board hence some form of pre-planned flight. Even if it did, do you always shoot down your own plane??

Normally dont you attempt to identify and air craft, make radio contact especially when its your own plane and if it turns out the it has gone rouge only than you would shoot it down.

It seems the knock on the head by PAF was ready biggie and you guys are losing you mind with each passing day.

Let them be daze and cook up stories and feeble. The fact of the matter is , the PAF strikes were lethal for IAF.
It is not only the kills themselves, i.e. 3+Mi17 (too much of coincidence it goes down at the time of PAF actions) but with the ease and command PAF able to strike at multiple locations in IOK, and the selection of 6 targets, which is the real surprise given to the IAF and India.
It simply read "You are not safe from the hands of PAF". Modi got this message loud and clear, that's why Randi Rona of Rafale by him.

 

[Osiris]

No.. JF-17 has its own armament to deal with such threats and it proved. Information will make out to public very slowly but eventually, will come out by sometimes.





IAF lastly promised grieving families, 15 days to complete investigation for this. Still waiting for official statement. Is there any chance to read it soon?

However, this "Blue on Blue" thing is not a good sign at all. Don't want to play point scoring over death of fallen soldiers but, I am sure, such humiliating acknowledgment wouldn't be made just to avoid any Pakistani random claim.

There will be no official acknowledgement from IAF. The official reason will be technical glitch.

What? Is that how IAF does to its own officers violating SoP? Shot down without any warnings? That too well inside indian airspace.

SOPs were violated that is why this accident happen.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Pak did not retaliate after the Antlantique scenario was because there was nothing with the air force that they could attack with---.

If one hears AM Latif r---he clearly states as to how terrible was Paf's position was at that time---.

If this is true then what is holding ISPR back to claim it ?

Hi,

Our friend from the east told us not to brag about the SU30---tactical and strategic reasons---.

Well people are not going to believe this, and will probably scream obscenities at me, but what I heard is, that the main rotor refused to be involved in "napak sajish," and said goodbye to the 6 commandos.

Hi,

" And that is the whole truth---so help me god---".

 

[Osiris]

Is this the official version of india?

Nope, it is the inside story.

Is that so? mind sharing when this was stated.

beside why would Mi 17 take off without informing the traffic given there were more than 2 people (pilot and co pilot) on board hence some form of pre-planned flight. Even if it did, do you always shoot down your own plane??

Normally dont you attempt to identify and air craft, make radio contact especially when its your own plane and if it turns out the it has gone rouge only than you would shoot it down.

It seems the knock on the head by PAF was ready biggie and you guys are losing you mind with each passing day.

On the same day, when it happened.

 

[Evora]

The picture speaks itself. It is clearly evident that missile hits on a tail

 

[1Paki$tani]

Nope, it is the inside story.



On the same day, when it happened.

And how it was shot down???

Do your radar not know difference between friendly and bogie? Is there no method of identification?

The old saying rings true "to hide a lie a thousand lies are needed"

 

[Reichsmarschall]

okay deleted, but why. May wanna delete yours too...still shows the link.

can i get the link?