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Indian Ground Forces....The Future.

Actually we need an assault rifle that can fire 7.62 or 6.8 NATO rounds.They pack much greater punch than 5.56 NATO rounds.All 5.56*45mm round weapons suffer from lack of killing power like INSAS.So repacing INSAS with Tavor or M4 doesn't make a sence atall.
REGARDS....
 
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Agree on principle. But it's not gonna happen overnight. Need new attack rifles to fill the void till DRDO or OFB develop something that's required and clears all tests.

see i didnt understant what void you are pointing at.....

army is using the INSAS effectively and it is enough to tackle any war situations and in CI ops we are using Tavors as well AK variants...

i think we do have time to wait till DRDO comes up with new rifle as part of F-INSAS
 
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before some years i was watching future weapons on discovery. the host ( who worked 10 years a SEAL ) showed a rifle which fires in two modes.

1. in first mode it fires 5.56 mm rounds.

2. in second mode a telescopic site is added to it and it fires 7.62 mm rounds.

NOTE this rifle can fire 7.62 mm rounds only when its important part ( may be bolt ) is changed. ( which takes 1-2 minutes. )
 
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see i didnt understant what void you are pointing at.....

army is using the INSAS effectively and it is enough to tackle any war situations and in CI ops we are using Tavors as well AK variants...

i think we do have time to wait till DRDO comes up with new rifle as part of F-INSAS

Void is the current requirements for the F-Insas program. It was supposed to have started this year itself. We definitely cannot use INSAS for that.
 
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5.56 mm. vs 7.62 mm
This is a question that there are a lot of arguments about. First we will start with some history. After World War II, Soviets unveiled a new firearm for soldier, the AK-47, which was designed to use 7.62x39 mm. bullets. This caliber was heavily influenced by developments of bullets of similar size in Germany. Meanwhile, NATO forces were using 7.62x51 mm. bullets, based on designs made by the US. Both these bullets pack a punch and have pretty good range. As it happens though, they also produce a good amount of recoil (especially the NATO rounds) and make a gun harder to control in automatic fire mode. One more factor to consider is that most people can't hit anything farther than 300 meters or so and therefore, giving them ammunition capable of firing well past this distance is not useful because they can't effectively use it. Additionally, the US military did some experiments in the late 1950s/early 1960s and determined that high rate of fire was the most important factor in infantry combat. To produce a high rate of fire means that a soldier needs to carry more ammunition. Therefore, the US military settled on a 5.56x45 mm. bullet, based on a .223 Remington cartridge that already existed. The 5.56x45 mm. NATO ammunition is close to half the weight of the 7.62x51 mm. ammo, therefore a soldier can carry twice as much.

As a side benefit, some people claimed that 5.56 is more likely to wound someone and therefore takes more than one person out of the fight because others have to tend to the wounded person's wounds and transport them to get medical attention. This was however NOT the reason why the 5.56x45 mm. was chosen, the main reason was because they could carry more of them. And, the 5.56x45 mm. is deadly at shorter ranges as well.

While the smaller bullet is fairly effective at shorter ranges, it loses some of its effectiveness at longer ranges. This is why some people argue that an intermediate bullet of 6.8x43 mm. might be a better compromise. It has effectiveness up to 500 meters or so and as it delivers about 50% more energy than 5.56x45 mm. at 100-300 meter ranges. However, it doesn't recoil as much as 7.62x51 mm. ammunition and provides better controllability. Also, since it isn't as heavy as 7.62x51 mm. ammo, a soldier can carry a good amount of them around.

courtesy BR
 
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everybody kindly see post number 63.

Valid point. But having having that option is better than no option at all. Besides you are missing the point that IA wanted a grenade launcher included as well.
 
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People here saying that IA should go for K11.Why-because it looks cooler??They cost 14000$ and still uses the 5.56*45mm NATO rounds same as the 'crappy' INSAS.Moreover K 11 has much shorter barrel length(350mm)compared to INSAS(460mm) and much heavier.That means K11 is even weaker than INSAS but still we say dump INSAS and buy K11.Absolutely bull .
 
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Is there a posibility that a bulpup type of a gun can be fitted with a granade lancher. Bulpups seems to be a good choice to me
 
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How about 5.56 mm vs 7.62 pros and cons when opposing army is wearing a Kevlar?

as far none of our beloved neighbours are not wearing kelvar...... ;)
but am hoping to see 7.62mm in F-INSAS rifle....
 
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Valid point. But having having that option is better than no option at all. Besides you are missing the point that IA wanted a grenade launcher included as well.

Already developed and accdpted.Bulk production has been started.Can fire air bursting granades.
Calibre-40*46mm
Action-pump action
Range-450 meter.
REGARDS....
 
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as far none of our beloved neighbours are not wearing kelvar...... ;)
but am hoping to see 7.62mm in F-INSAS rifle....

:).. we keep underestimating them dude. During the Kargil war their ground forces had radar which tracked the trajectory of shells fired from our artillery guns and were able to pinpoint and destroy many of them. Besides, they have far fewer recruits to equip, not to mention all the equipment that flew in due to the WOT. When it come to combat they will definitely have some BJ on.

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Already developed and accdpted.Bulk production has been started.Can fire air bursting granades.
Calibre-40*46mm
Action-pump action
Range-450 meter.
REGARDS....

I believe there were some issues with the weight.
 
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Is there a posibility that a bulpup type of a gun can be fitted with a granade lancher. Bulpups seems to be a good choice to me

Why not?The IMI Tavors come with 40mm under barrel granade launchers.
 
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