Indian Ground Forces....The Future.

[Vibs]

ok please gimme link of it. and Tejas Mark 2 - Featuring more powerful General Electric F414-GE-INS6 engine with 120 kN of thrust and refined aerodynamics

Go to the sticky LCA thread on the Indian Defence section.

 

[Omega007]

Here many members are bashing the INSAS without knowing that any weapon that uses 5.56 NATO ammunitions suffers from the same problem-it can injure but killing power is less.The round itself was developed to injure enemy soldiers.The theory behind was that if you can injure one,you can send atleast 2 other enemies out of the battle zone inorder to move the injured.So using any other 5.56 mm rifle will have same problem.You are bashing DRDO but it was the IA that wanted a semiautomatic 5.56mm assault rifle.Infact if you just search the ofb website you can see that an automatic version of INSAS exists but army rejected that.But you will not work,all you guys like to do is to bash DRDO because that's easier.What the hell have you done for this country other than baseless bashing the DRDO-in the words of Max Payne,'All talk and no walk'.

 

[Vibs]

Here many members are bashing the INSAS without knowing that any weapon that uses 5.56 NATO ammunitions suffers from the same problem-it can injure but killing power is less.The round itself was developed to injure enemy soldiers.The theory behind was that if you can injure one,you can send atleast 2 other enemies out of the battle zone inorder to move the injured.So using any other 5.56 mm rifle will have same problem.You are bashing DRDO but it was the IA that wanted a semiautomatic 5.56mm assault rifle.Infact if you just search the ofb website you can see that an automatic version of INSAS exists but army rejected that.But you will not work,all you guys like to do is to bash DRDO because that's easier.What the hell have you done for this country other than baseless bashing the DRDO-in the words of Max Payne,'All talk and no walk'.

We are talking about the future. Clearly there is a need for a lethal attack rifle right now with multiple calibres. the 5.56 mm calibre can be used when maiming is required. Relying on only one source is always dangerous. Involvement of foreign players with a JV or of private players is required for the future.

 

[MrIndianSikh]

Go easy with your comments.......

of course our ground forces need the best..... so what you want to do .. shutdown our OFB and DRDO... buy everything from US or other europeans....?

see whether you agree or not our economy is not at all in shape to buy the assault rifles that posted in above posts....




oh god INSAS is semi automatic becaue our army wants in that way..... even US army M16A2 works the same way as insas.. and why do so many military forces in the world supply their regular troops with semi-automatic only weapons? That's because of the US experience in Vietnam. They noted that less experienced soldiers generally tended to hold the trigger down and spray the bushes when they came under attack. As a result, many of them ended up using all their ammunition within a couple of minutes. To prevent this situation from occurring, regular troops were supplied with semi-auto only weapons and fully-auto weapons were only supplied to special forces units, who are well trained to use fire discipline.

and FYI

http:///insas-rifles-prove-its-mattel-at-alaskan-heights

really tell that to the families of the poor Jawans martyred in Kargil because of there weapon failing on them in cold weather conditions during Kargil there were accounts of the gun firing in full auto mode while in 3 round burst mode

OFB needs to be shut down the material they use for the INSAS and other firearms in the reason for them being so crappy when you have a 1 billion customer base obviously they can afford to let quality drop IS IT SO MUCH TO ASK FOR A DECENTLY PRODUCED RIFLE????

 

[MrIndianSikh]

Here many members are bashing the INSAS without knowing that any weapon that uses 5.56 NATO ammunitions suffers from the same problem-it can injure but killing power is less.The round itself was developed to injure enemy soldiers.The theory behind was that if you can injure one,you can send atleast 2 other enemies out of the battle zone inorder to move the injured.So using any other 5.56 mm rifle will have same problem.You are bashing DRDO but it was the IA that wanted a semiautomatic 5.56mm assault rifle.Infact if you just search the ofb website you can see that an automatic version of INSAS exists but army rejected that.But you will not work,all you guys like to do is to bash DRDO because that's easier.What the hell have you done for this country other than baseless bashing the DRDO-in the words of Max Payne,'All talk and no walk'.

DRDO doesn't manufacture them the early models of the INSAS had major drawbacks and even when they were fixed the INSAS rifles still preformed crappy because of the quality of the material used on them at OFB... fix and perfect the INSAS then have TATA or L&T or some other indian private company mass produce it not OFB

 

[danger007]

Go to the sticky LCA thread on the Indian Defence section.

then please talk about lca there only. and dnt talk stupidly about lca. it wasnt 3rd gen jet. it was 4+

 

[Vibs]

then please talk about lca there only. and dnt talk stupidly about lca. it wasnt 3rd gen jet. it was 4+

2 words. grow up

 

[baker]

^^ and you know other rifles are certified to work in these conditions..... ?

see problems are in everywhere... these situations that faced in kargil was resolved and army is using INSAS ....

 

[Vibs]

^^ and you know other rifles are certified to work in these conditions..... ?

see problems are in everywhere... these situations that faced in kargil was resolved and army is using INSAS ....

Thing is when we talk about F-INSAS program we aren't talking about a small upgrade. We are looking to equip a soldier at par with the best in the world. Insas may not be the worst gun out there, but there are loads that are better. Fact is, PA with lesser soldiers and a hefty budget can and do procure top of the line weapons. Chinese are able to mass produce copies of any equipment they want. IA needs a drastic upgrade that can be done by outside procurement substantiated by further In-house development.

 

[IND151]

in my opinion we should develop new rifle or heavily upgrade INSAS.

even M 4 had some problems but Americans didn't retire them but improved it.

 

[Omega007]

really tell that to the families of the poor Jawans martyred in Kargil because of there weapon failing on them in cold weather conditions during Kargil there were accounts of the gun firing in full auto mode while in 3 round burst mode

OFB needs to be shut down the material they use for the INSAS and other firearms in the reason for them being so crappy when you have a 1 billion customer base obviously they can afford to let quality drop IS IT SO MUCH TO ASK FOR A DECENTLY PRODUCED RIFLE????

Still you are blabbering about INSAS!!Well,what can we say??After the Kargil war the snags have been rectified subsequently.
I am not saying that a new assault rifle should not be procured.But calling the INSAS 'crap' is not right.You are complaining about the absence of full auto mode.So where is the DRDO's fault?They even developed a full auto version but army rejected that infavour of the current version,go check the ofb website before talking bs.You are telling it can't kill.That means you don't know a about a firearm,do you??The killing power is complete depended on ammo the rifle uses,not the rifle itself.Any rifle that uses 5.56*45mm NATO rounds suffer from the same 'weakness'you are saying about INSAS-be it Tavor or M4.The 5.56 NATO was developed to injure the enemy.You don't even know these simple facts and instead of doing some research you are bashing DRDO for something which they are not guilty of.It was the army who wanted a 5.56 NATO rifle.Infact when INSAS was developed there was no facility in our country to produce that rounds because before INSAS our army used 7.62*51 NATO 1ASLR and AK M.But you lazy people will not go the hard way to research but bash the DRDO because it's much easier to do.But by doing so you are insulting those mem who dedicated their lives for this country.What have you done for india other than talking bs here?? As I said all talk and no walk

 

[Vibs]

in my opinion we should develop new rifle or heavily upgrade INSAS.

even M 4 had some problems but Americans didn't retire them but improved it.

Ofcourse. But can't happen overnight. We need something in the interim.

 

[danger007]

2 words. grow up

ok uncle ......

 

[baker]

Thing is when we talk about F-INSAS program we aren't talking about a small upgrade. We are looking to equip a soldier at par with the best in the world. Insas may not be the worst gun out there, but there are loads that are better. Fact is, PA with lesser soldiers and a hefty budget can and do procure top of the line weapons. Chinese are able to mass produce copies of any equipment they want. IA needs a drastic upgrade that can be done by outside procurement substantiated by further In-house development.

see in F-INSAS program we will equip with latest rifle ..
but what my point here is these rifle would be designed by DRDO and manufactured by OFB... and these rifle will be based on present INSAS...

am against people who are sying buy k11 from korea and m4 from US......

 

[Vibs]

see in F-INSAS program we will equip with latest rifle ..
but what my point here is these rifle would be designed by DRDO and manufactured by OFB... and these rifle will be based on present INSAS...

am against people who are sying buy k11 from korea and m4 from US......

Agree on principle. But it's not gonna happen overnight. Need new attack rifles to fill the void till DRDO or OFB develop something that's required and clears all tests.