Indian government should hang its head in shame: BBC filmmaker

[Guynextdoor2]

Read the article sir and then tell me if she doesn't have a case to answer, she has subverted Indian laws and used shady sources of funding to produce this biased and "fake" (according to the sole trustworthy witness in this incident) documentary, this is not a cae of shoot the messenger but have a person with questionable motives to account for their actions in India.

Why are you 'siring' me man. I feel really weird, like some 40 year old

 

[Bang Galore]

Read the article sir and then tell me if she doesn't have a case to answer, she has subverted Indian laws and used shady sources of funding to produce this biased and "fake" (according to the sole trustworthy witness in this incident) documentary, this is not a cae of shoot the messenger but have a person with questionable motives to account for their actions in India.

You can read any number of articles, there is really not much of a case made against her. The fault lies clearly with the Union Home Ministry & the Jail authorities, all the so-called allegations really have no leg to stand on. As for the sole eyewitness calling it fake, you would expect it. The convicted prisoner speaks of him as being beaten up & then hiding, you would expect such a reaction & understandably so. The mistake here was in enabling the interview of the convict, very little else that could have been done to control the story. It is a classic case of nit-picking when the whole box of worms has opened up, an attempt to deflect blame. I repeat that the best way to have handles this was to simply not have the government react publicly. That wasn't done, everyone has egg on their faces now & are throwing up anything & everything to obfuscate their failings.

 

[Hurter]

why just go for it.......

I will.. But the admin cannot digest my comments as I always get banned from commenting further especially threads which are related to India.

 

[Abingdonboy]

A very short but so open letter to white feminist filmmakers | The Ladies Finger

The Selective Amnesia Of 'India's Daughter' - What The Film Conveniently Ignores!

Reducing rape to a generic Indian male mindset fails its victims | Comment is free | The Guardian

Sole witness of Delhi bus gang-rape calls BBC documentary 'fake'

Deception, Lies Behind Making of India’s Daughter -The New Indian Express



@SpArK @Guynextdoor2 @acetophenol @Bang Galore @sancho
Please read all of the above and tlel me is it still "shooting the messenger" to question the motives of Leslie Udwin?

Here she is telling outrageous lies:

Questioning the motives/funding of this one documentary is NOT the same as either condoning sexual assualt OR saying "all is well in India, there is no need for introspection". All I am saying is this film maker AND the BBC need to face some serious questions and the IB and MHA better get their act together and investigate this entire mess post haste, there is clearly a lot going on behind the scenes here.






And tell me why it isn''t important to keep digging deepr and exposing this nonsense @SpArK

You can read any number of articles, there is really not much of a case made against her. The fault lies clearly with the Union Home Ministry & the Jail authorities, all the so-called allegations really have no leg to stand on. As for the sole eyewitness calling it fake, you would expect it. The convicted prisoner speaks of him as being beaten up & then hiding, you would expect such a reaction & understandably so. The mistake here was in enabling the interview of the convict, very little else that could have been done to control the story. It is a classic case of nit-picking when the whole box of worms has opened up, an attempt to deflect blame. I repeat that the best way to have handles this was to simply not have the government react publicly. That wasn't done, everyone has egg on their faces now & are throwing up anything & everything to obfuscate their failings.

It is about much more than that interview now though, yes this was the catalyst that caused this film to be banned but it was just the tip of the iceberg in the web of duplicity and subderfuge going on in the making and then telecasting of this documentary.

Are you saying the above article that examines the very eloborate and odd funding structure of this film doesn't give you any cause for concern?

 

[Bang Galore]

A very short but so open letter to white feminist filmmakers | The Ladies Finger

The Selective Amnesia Of 'India's Daughter' - What The Film Conveniently Ignores!

Reducing rape to a generic Indian male mindset fails its victims | Comment is free | The Guardian

Sole witness of Delhi bus gang-rape calls BBC documentary 'fake'

Deception, Lies Behind Making of India’s Daughter -The New Indian Express



@SpArK @Guynextdoor2 @acetophenol @Bang Galore @sancho
Please read all of the above and tlel me is it still "shooting the messenger" to question the motives of Leslie Udwin?

Questioning the motives/funding of this one documentary is NOT the same as either condoning sexual assualt OR saying "all is well in India, there is no need for introspection". All I am saying is this film maker AND the BBC need to face some serious questions and the IB and MHA better get their act together and investigate this entire mess post haste, there is clearly a lot going on behind the scenes here.






And tell me why it isn''t important to keep digging deepr and exposing this nonsense @SpArK

Not this communist rubbish again. Her main complaint was that she worried about what the airing of the convict's interview was going to do to the case which is being considered in the Supreme court. Essentially that the idiot might have guaranteed a conviction for himself. I, for one wouldn't give a damn & be very happy when the guy hangs. The rest of her diatribe is pretty silly about why women have to bear the cross of being India's daughters & why was it necessary to say that the girl had told her parents about going out for a movie, thereby somehow suggesting that if she had done so without telling her parents that it would have been a bad thing etc....Feminist mumbo-jumbo......

 

[Ryuzaki]

 

[Gibbs]

100th thread on 1 documentary.

Sorry bro.. But going by the overt negative reaction by Indian posters in other threads this wont be the last either.. It's a funny way how a mountain is made out of a mole hill by the aggrieved party them selves

I'm afraid it wont be restricted to internet forums either

That is called 'dramatization', which is pretty much part of every documentary. Certain morons would never understand these things.

I begin to wonder if this Avanindra Pandey was also involved in that.

This..

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Not this communist rubbish again. Her main complaint was that she worried about what the airing of the convict's interview was going to do to the case which is being considered in the Supreme court. Essentially that the idiot might have guaranteed a conviction for himself. I, for one wouldn't give a damn & be very happy when the guy hangs. The rest of her diatribe is pretty silly about why women have to bear the cross of being India's daughters & why was it necessary to say that the girl had told her parents about going out for a movie, thereby somehow suggesting that if she had done so without telling her parents that it would have been a bad thing etc....Feminist mumbo-jumbo......

I think that's a BS argument that govts give again and again. There are several editorials written so should they be stopped too. And if this guy guarantees a conviction, it is a fairly earned one.

Silly argument. Jimmy Saville's offences came to light only recently.

Silly argument. Simmy saville's crimes came out only recently.

 

[Ryuzaki]

For #Adarshliberals or pseculars

BBC Calls Holi A 'Filthy Festival'

BBC News website posted a short video on Thursday under its "week's weird videos," showing the youth playing Holi in Utah, the US, and titled the segment as "filthy festival."

A boy pours coloured water on a family making their way to a temple during "Lathmar Holi" at village Nandgaon in the northern Indian state of Uttar Pradesh March 3, 2012. Reuters
A Hindu organization based in the U.S. criticized British Broadcasting Corporation for labeling the Holi as a "filthy festival."

In a statement, President of Universal Society of Hinduism Rajan Zed said that terming Holi festival, which is also known as "festival of color," as "filthy" was very insensitive and belittling of the entire community.

Zed stated that BBC director-general Mark Thompson and trustees chairman Lord Patten of Barnes should immediately apologize for this inappropriate terminology and hurting the feelings of one billion Hindus and publish it on BBC website.

He pointed out that although under its "our values", BBC claimed "we respect each other and celebrate our diversity", yet describing a festival of world's oldest religion as "filthy" was highly "disrespectful".




"Was calling Holi 'filthy' BBC's way of educating and informing the world correctly; whose 'mission' was listed as: 'to enrich people's lives with programmes and services that inform, educate and entertain," Zed asked.

World's largest broadcaster BBC has been blamed in the past for racism, imperialist stance, Indophobic bias, anti-Hindu bigotry and anti-American bias, says the release.


BBC Calls Holi A 'Filthy Festival'

 

[Guynextdoor2]

A very short but so open letter to white feminist filmmakers | The Ladies Finger

The Selective Amnesia Of 'India's Daughter' - What The Film Conveniently Ignores!

Reducing rape to a generic Indian male mindset fails its victims | Comment is free | The Guardian

Sole witness of Delhi bus gang-rape calls BBC documentary 'fake'

Deception, Lies Behind Making of India’s Daughter -The New Indian Express



@SpArK @Guynextdoor2 @acetophenol @Bang Galore @sancho
Please read all of the above and tlel me is it still "shooting the messenger" to question the motives of Leslie Udwin?

Here she is telling outrageous lies:

Questioning the motives/funding of this one documentary is NOT the same as either condoning sexual assualt OR saying "all is well in India, there is no need for introspection". All I am saying is this film maker AND the BBC need to face some serious questions and the IB and MHA better get their act together and investigate this entire mess post haste, there is clearly a lot going on behind the scenes here.






And tell me why it isn''t important to keep digging deepr and exposing this nonsense @SpArK


It is about much more than that interview now though, yes this was the catalyst that caused this film to be banned but it was just the tip of the iceberg in the web of duplicity and subderfuge going on in the making and then telecasting of this documentary.

Are you saying the above article that examines the very eloborate and odd funding structure of this film doesn't give you any cause for concern?

Let me tell you man, there are some things that she has not said, which are very sad. Let them be unsaid. Rest assured instead of shooting her, let's just reflect on this episode.

 

[Screambowl]

India's Daughter and BBC - Belgian Professor speaks out

Imagine. A filmmaker travels to Belgium because she has heard about the pedophilia scandals in the country. She directs a documentary film, which includes an interview with an infamous pedophile. This man says that the girls he raped had actually seduced him and that they really enjoyed it. The filmmaker then comments that Belgian society is responsible for creating such pedophiles by teaching them what to think. Most men in this country are programmed in this way, she insists. In fact, this is all part of a larger disease and culture, which is also reflected in Belgian cinema. How would we Belgians react? We would find this shocking and infuriating. It is as though pedophilia is an expression of the core of our culture, as though we are programmed for child abuse.

This story is not all that imaginary, even though it does concern another country. Over the past week, the international hue and cry about rape in India has gone through another round. This time the cause is a documentary where one of the accused in a brutal rape case makes atrocious statements. Significantly, the English filmmaker, Leslee Udwin, does not see this man as a pathological individual. In an interview, she characterises him as representative of “most men in this country,” who are “programmed in a certain way.” It is this society that creates and encourages such rapists, she says, and the objectifying of women in Bollywood films reveals how this is part of a larger disease and culture.

Many Indians reacted with shock. Many are also infuriated. Some even see this as an international conspiracy to defame India and call for banning the film. It is easy to dismiss all of this as expressions of a hurt national pride unable to cope with the reality of rape and misogyny in India. Or to ridicule it as a form of cultural paranoia. But the many Indians who feel this way are neither paranoid nor stupid. In fact, there is a need to make sense of the widespread impression that such an international conspiracy is going on.


To understand what is at stake, let us turn back to the heart of Europe. Here, the media agrees with the filmmaker. One headline says “A girl should just let herself be raped quietly” –insinuating that this is a widespread opinion in India. The journalist writes: “Especially in North India women are considered outlaws when it comes to sex.” In other words, any man can have a go at them without threat of punishment. But how could Indian men in general – who are also fathers, brothers and sons of women –see these women as objects freely available for rape? This can be the case only if the culture is itself morally perverse: mothers and fathers must raise their sons to become rapists. This is the implicit message of the discourse about rape in India.

India used to be the land of gurus, snake charmers, and fakirs. It was the country of caste, cows and curry. Nowadays, it has become the rape nation in the Western imagination. Time and again, women travelling to India are warned: “Be careful with all those rapists there.” People from all walks of life express their disgust at a culture where rape seems to be part of everyday life. Recently, a German university professor refused an Indian intern because of “the rape problem in India” and the threat he would pose to her female students. The media join in: “How India became a country of gang rapes.” “The terrible truth about rape in India.” “In rural India, rapes are common, but justice for victims is not.” “Why rapes are ‘normal’ in India.” These are only a few representative headlines. What is so striking about these claims is the following: they transform the immoral acts of certain individuals into expressions of an entire culture and its values.

 

[Bang Galore]

Are you saying the above article that examines the very eloborate and odd funding structure of this film doesn't give you any cause for concern?

Tell me, how does it affect the story. We still gave permissions which the new govt. regrets but this is no major conspiracy involving huge budgets.

He also said that the interviewed convict, Mukesh was not comfortable talking to the TV crew, though, he had given a consent letter to the film makers, including Bhushan. When they started, they noticed that nothing much would be forthcoming from Mukesh since he was only replying in monosyllables - ‘yes’ and ‘no’. They crew decided to resort to the ‘sting strategy’.
It is learnt that a cameraperson was asked to roll the camera but pretended that it was switched off. The rapist was inveigled into an informal chat. Unaware that he was being shot, his ugly, unrepentant mindset came to the fore and Udwin could get the sensational quotes, which were used in the film. “He was not speaking, so it was decided to do a sting and use the entire set up to look like a proper interview. It was a long informal interview in which he had mentioned so many things. The crew also interviewed a few other convicts, but till that time Tihar authorities did not know the contents of Mukesh’s bytes. They saw it last year and raised objections,” said an official privy to the developments in the ongoing probe. The official also pointed out that the clothes Mukesh wore during the interview indicated that rules were violated. “If he had been convicted, he would have been wearing prison clothes,” points out a Tihar Jail official.

Tell me how anyone can believe that this piece is anything but an attempted hatchet job. "it is learnt"....etc. What makes you believe this piece of unsourced rubbish that is now just being put out to somehow justify the government's overreaction.....If someone had noticed it then, should they not have intervened immediately? They have allowed the convict to pretty much incriminate himself badly and now are trotting out excuses.....They know he gave consent. so you need to use this line.

C'mon, you are smarter than this. The government is already back tracking saying that there is no ban but just a temporary stay order from a court...., this is classic muddying of the picture. You may not agree with the documentary or the way it was presented, still doesn't change the facts of the story. Reasonable people can have serious questions raised about the treatment of the subject & portrayal of the mentality but there is very little that can be said in favour of the government's actions. A documentary should not be banned just because you dislike it. Criticism is always an option, a ban like this should be not.

 

[JanjaWeed]

Nirbhaya Rape's Only Witness Says 'India's Daughter' Documentary Is Fake | india | Indiatimes Mobile

& this prime witness was never interviewed. Filmmaker should hang her head in shame!

 

[Ryuzaki]

& this prime witness was never interviewed. Author should hang her head in shame!

it's surprising people are still defending the crudely made propaganda film.

 

[WAJsal]

This is just over doing it!WTH is BBC doing.Indians no point wasting your time responding to this "Drama".