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Indian companies have often been slapped with large fines for violations of US law.

NewsMax, of course. It's a source only you can bring up. 30 years of testing doesn't satisfy you, Newsmax does. Nice work.

This is a disposition to the Justice Dept by a Scientist from the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. It does not get any more real than this.

Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory primary responsibility is ensuring the safety, security and reliability of the US nuclear weapons through the application of advanced science, engineering and technology.


Or are you waiting for Snowden to release some wikileaks on this matter ? You do realize that nuclear secrets are the worlds best kept secrets. or do you ?
 
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This is a disposition to the Justice Dept by a Scientist from the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. It does not get any more real than this.

Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory primary responsibility is ensuring the safety, security and reliability of the US nuclear weapons through the application of advanced science, engineering and technology.


Or are you waiting for Snowden to release some wikileaks on this matter ? You do realize that nuclear secrets are the worlds best kept secrets. or do you ?

So I can claim I work for DAE and 'spill' nuclear 'secrets' to a no name newspaper?

If nuclear secrets are best kept secrets, then this wouldn't have gotten out. Yeah, even I need to safeguard my family, so I will spill secrets for the heck of it. Right.

Hell, if that secret was really a secret, then the scientist could very well be dead or in prison now. How long would it take to slap treason charges on newspapers for spilling nuclear secrets? Editors would be more than happy to give away names when the CIA comes a-knocking. Or that guy should have done a Snowden. Snowden is famous for spilling secrets and running away. The same would have happened if this idiotic news was true.

Gullible has a new meaning now.
 
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So I can claim I work for DAE and 'spill' nuclear 'secrets' to a no name newspaper?

If nuclear secrets are best kept secrets, then this wouldn't have gotten out. Yeah, even I need to safeguard my family, so I will spill secrets for the heck of it. Right.

Hell, if that secret was really a secret, then the scientist could very well be dead or in prison now. How long would it take to slap treason charges on newspapers for spilling nuclear secrets? Editors would be more than happy to give away names when the CIA comes a-knocking. Or that guy should have done a Snowden. Snowden is famous for spilling secrets and running away. The same would have happened if this idiotic news was true.

Gullible has a new meaning now.

You mean like this ? :coffee:

Maryland Scientist Charged with Attempted Espionage | OPA | Department of Justice

or this ?

Both Sides Face Risks in Case of Scientist Accused of Mishandling Nuclear Secrets - NYTimes.com

Reno, Freeh Defend Lee Plea Deal - tribunedigital-chicagotribune

Authorities opened an espionage investigation in 1995 after a Chinese government official trying to defect provided intelligence agents with detailed design information for the United States' W-88 warhead, which is used in Trident II submarines.

Republican members of Congress fiercely criticized the Clinton administration when the apparent leak was revealed, linking charges of inattention to security with the White House's policy of engagement toward China and acceptance of some illegal campaign contributions in 1996 from Chinese sources.

At Tuesday's hearing, Shelby attacked Reno's Justice Department for refusing an early FBI wiretap request for the investigation into Lee, charging that as a result "we may never know" whether Lee actually was engaged in spying. Justice officials at the time said there was not enough evidence against Lee to warrant a wiretap.

Shelby's Democratic counterpart, Sen. Richard Bryan of Nevada, chastised the Department of Energy and FBI for failing to act to revoke Lee's security clearance despite two earlier instances in which the scientist had violated security procedures. The first of those episodes, Bryan noted, took placed in 1982, under a Republican administration.





But I can see that what you require is IRREFUTABLE proof. Too bad I cannot provide you with that. :coffee: That would clearly mean that I am wrong and you are right. Congratulations. You win.
 
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You mean like this ? :coffee:

Maryland Scientist Charged with Attempted Espionage | OPA | Department of Justice

or this ?

Both Sides Face Risks in Case of Scientist Accused of Mishandling Nuclear Secrets - NYTimes.com

Reno, Freeh Defend Lee Plea Deal - tribunedigital-chicagotribune

Authorities opened an espionage investigation in 1995 after a Chinese government official trying to defect provided intelligence agents with detailed design information for the United States' W-88 warhead, which is used in Trident II submarines.

Republican members of Congress fiercely criticized the Clinton administration when the apparent leak was revealed, linking charges of inattention to security with the White House's policy of engagement toward China and acceptance of some illegal campaign contributions in 1996 from Chinese sources.

At Tuesday's hearing, Shelby attacked Reno's Justice Department for refusing an early FBI wiretap request for the investigation into Lee, charging that as a result "we may never know" whether Lee actually was engaged in spying. Justice officials at the time said there was not enough evidence against Lee to warrant a wiretap.

Shelby's Democratic counterpart, Sen. Richard Bryan of Nevada, chastised the Department of Energy and FBI for failing to act to revoke Lee's security clearance despite two earlier instances in which the scientist had violated security procedures. The first of those episodes, Bryan noted, took placed in 1982, under a Republican administration.





But I can see that what you require is IRREFUTABLE proof. Too bad I cannot provide you with that. :coffee: That would clearly mean that I am wrong and you are right. Congratulations. You win.

Lol. This is spying, not a tacit transfer of nuclear secrets by the administration in power.

Your arguments hold no water. Better double-check your birthday, the one you know may be wrong.
 
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Lol. This is spying, not a tacit transfer of nuclear secrets by the administration in power.

Your arguments hold no water. Better double-check your birthday, the one you know may be wrong.

....And yet Lee is a free man today and has received $1.6 million from the federal government & Media for slander :coffee:

Too bad the FBI failed to revoke Lee's security clearance despite two earlier instances in which the scientist had violated security procedures. Right from 1982 ..........


You are just too smart for me.
 
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....And yet Lee is a free man today and has received $1.6 million from the federal government & Media for slander :coffee:

Too bad the FBI failed to revoke Lee's security clearance despite two earlier instances in which the scientist had violated security procedures. Right from 1982 ..........


You are just too smart for me.

Talking to you is like talking to a child. Good luck with your career. You have decades to look forward to before retirement.
 
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Talking to you is like talking to a child. Good luck with your career. You have decades to look forward to before retirement.

I do have Decades before my retirement. Are you under that foolish assumption that age somehow translates to intelligence ?

Any idea why Lee got a "fair trial" while Snowden do not seem to get it ? ........... surely even a child can wonder about it. You curiously don't wish to know.

That is what happens when blind faith takes over reasoning.
 
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I do have Decades before my retirement. Are you under that foolish assumption that age somehow translates to intelligence ?

Any idea why Lee got a "fair trial" while Snowden do not seem to get it ? ........... surely even a child can wonder about it. You curiously don't wish to know.

That is what happens when blind faith takes over reasoning.

They let him go cause he downloaded classified information into an open system without knowing. He didn't transfer files to anybody, he had it on himself. That's about it.

You are so young that you are overthinking it. Compound that with your poor knowledge of everything that's happening around you, your conclusions are bound to be a disaster.

I would take 30 years of testing over transfer of tech made up by someone with poor understanding of everything any day.

Keep your conspiracies to yourself.
 
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They let him go cause he downloaded classified information into an open system without knowing. He didn't transfer files to anybody, he had it on himself. That's about it.

You are so young that you are overthinking it. Compound that with your poor knowledge of everything that's happening around you, your conclusions are bound to be a disaster.

I would take 30 years of testing over transfer of tech made up by someone with poor understanding of everything any day.

Keep your conspiracies to yourself.

LOL.. seriously ? When even the FBI could not conclusively prove that Won Ho lee was guilty, I don't think I can do any better.

But for all practical purpose EVERYBODY knows Lee was guilty of the crimes he was accused of. That is why lee has still not found employment anywhere in the US even though he has been freed by the US courts for lack of "hard evidence".

There are scientists from Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory who have deposed before the justice Dept. about the complicity of the US administration in encouraging nuclear proliferation. But apparently they are all made up :cheesy::

How do you think pakistan could explode 5 weaponised nukes in a single day without any prior testing ? :cheesy: ..... let me guess, they did it on their own. How about their missiles ? they did it on their own.
 
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LOL.. seriously ? When even the FBI could not conclusively prove that Won Ho lee was guilty, I don't think I can do any better.

But for all practical purpose EVERYBODY knows Lee was guilty of the crimes he was accused of. That is why lee has still not found employment anywhere in the US even though he has been freed by the US courts for lack of "hard evidence".

There are scientists from Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory who have deposed before the justice Dept. about the complicity of the US administration in encouraging nuclear proliferation. But apparently they are all made up :cheesy::

Lol.

How do you think pakistan could explode 5 weaponised nukes in a single day without any prior testing ? :cheesy: ..... let me guess, they did it on their own. How about their missiles ? they did it on their own.

Let me guess. The Americans gave the Pakistanis the 6 nukes. And the Chinese secretly replaced those with their own. And in exchange, Pak got UNSC membership as P5 instead of US.
 
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How India will protect nuclear liabilities of US firms
The flip side is that Indian companies have often been slapped with large fines for violations of US law.
Amit Bhandari, IndiaSpend.com · Today · 09:30 pm
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A $48 billion (Rs 3.26 lakh crore) penaltyclaimedby the US government from Volkswagen for cheating on diesel car emissions is about 200 times as large as the $225 million (Rs 1,500 crore)insurance poolset up by Indian insurance companies to compensate US nuclear companies for mishaps in India.

If a US nuclear company were to build a reactor in India that suffered a catastrophe, and people were to die in India, the US government’s position seems to be that American suppliers shouldn’t face civil or criminal liability. The US believes the Indian civil nuclear liability law, which calls for both penalties, is unduly harsh. Rather than say so directly, USofficialskeeprepeatingthat the “Indian law is inconsistent with the international liability regime.”

The Indian civil nuclearliability lawholds the equipment supplier responsible for any incident caused by the supplier or its employees. The Indian liability law differs from those of other countries because it was drafted keeping in mind the 1984 Bhopal tragedy – where despite 5,000 deaths and effects across generations, no one was held criminally liable.

The penalty demanded in the Volkswagen case is about 100 times the compensation of $470 million ($907 million in 2014 dollars) paid by US firm Union Carbide after theBhopal Gas tragedy, which also left 70,000 people maimed or injured. Volkswagen’s cover-up caused no injuries or deaths.

Although the Indian government wants to protect US nuclear companies against the Indian liability law, criticsarguedthat these companies are using India’s eagerness to avoid any liability, if something goes wrong.

India wants tobuildmore nuclear power plants in an attempt to reduce the share of coal in electricity generation. Increasing the use of nuclear power is also a part of the country’sstrategyto tackle climate change.

Indiacurrentlyhas 5,780 mega watts of nuclear power in operation and plans to add another 17,400 MW of capacity, making it possibly the largest market for nuclear power after China, and a financially lucrative prospect for Western firms faced with limited domestic sales.

However, the 2011Fukushimanuclear disaster, caused by an earthquake, followed by a tsunami, has heightened concerns of nuclear safety and accident costs. The fallout of that disaster will also make it hard to change India’s liability laws.

Beyond borders

Large settlements paid out in the US are a regular feature. In October 2015, the US Justice Department arrived at asettlementwith oil major BP, which will pay a penalty of $20.8 billion to cover the economic and environmental damage arising from a 2010 oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

Volkswagen – the company allegedly installed devices that sidestep emission norms in 600,000 cars – could, in theory, face fines of as much as $37,500 per vehicle for each of two violations of the law; up to $3,750 per “defeat device”; and another $37,500 for each day of violation, aReutersreportsaid.

In April 2010, a deepwater oil-drilling rig operated by BP, the Deepwater Horizon, suffered an explosion which killed 11 men, and the well it was drilling leaked over five million barrels of oil in the Gulf of Mexico.

This was the largest-ever settlement in the history of the Department; the Volkswagen penalty could be larger.

A number of companies have paid tens of billions of dollars in fines over the past decade for breaking US law.

Top US banks, such as Bank of America, JP Morgan, Citigroup and Morgan Stanley, have paid multi-billion dollar fines for their roles in the 2008 global financial crisis, caused by reckless business practices of large Western banks.

The remit of the US Justice Department extends beyond its borders and to foreign firms as well. In May 2015, five global banks – Citicorp, JP Morgan, Barclays, UBS and the Royal Bank of Scotland –agreedto pay fines adding up to $2.5 billion for manipulating a widely-used financial benchmark set in London. This brings the total penalty paid by these banks for their role in this manipulation to $9 billion.

UK-headquartered HSBC wasfinedfor “illegally conducting transactions on behalf of customers in Cuba, Iran, Libya, Sudan and Burma” – countries under US economic sanctions.

During the financial year 2015, the US justice departmentcollected$23 billion in penalties in various civil and criminal cases, slightly lower than the collection for 2013, when it had a record haul.

India in the mix

While the US nuclear industry wants to avoid any liability in India for acts of omission or commission, Indian companies have often been slapped with large fines for violations of US law.

Drug manufacturer Ranbaxy paid penalties of $500 million (Rs 3,400 crore) in 2013 forfalsifyingdata about its drugs and for not following proper manufacturing practices – more than twice the value of the nuclear liability insurance pool to be created in India.

In 2013, tech firm Infosys paid a $35 million penalty in acivil settlementon allegations of visa misuse; the firm maintained that the “claims are untrue and remain unproven”.

India, too, has started levying big fines. For instance, in 2013, a group of Indian cement companies wasfinedRs 6,698 crore by the Competition Commission of India for working as a cartel and over-charging consumers. This amount, levied for unfair business practices rather than causing deaths and injuries, is 4.4 times the proposed liability cap for nuclear incidents.

Similarly, Delhi-based real estate firm DLF has been recently ordered to pay apenaltyof Rs 630 crore for unfair business practices.

This article was first published onIndiaSpend.
Oh come on.. those fines are nothing as compared to the kind of tines American companies pay for violating American laws...
 
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