Indian Civilization, its contribution to Modern day Science and Philosopy

[Devdas]

LOL, a lot hubris from Indian again. English is medium of instruction in India, unless u telling me you don't go to school, lol. Small wonder India is so corrupted, just look at people like u.
The top students at the top program are mostly Chinese, I know because I attended one, the grad school network is very small, we have friends in all peer institutions. There are indians, but far and few between. So take your BS to other low IQ Indians. Hey, even PISA test, India came in last ok.

Uh, I attend one now, and it's clear that the Chinese students can't compete.

Look up the Rhodes Scholars from 2012 (almost half are Indian), and you'll see why I think so. There are a lot of Chinese who are above average at best, almost none who are elite.

 

[Nassr]

I'm Sikh, why would I care about RSS?

According to the Indian Constitution, you are a Hindu as Sikhism is not accepted as a separate religion in India.

 

[humanfirst]

As i said before its very hard to talk with someone who doesnt know basic history about South Asia Mughals when first come they come with foreign armies and ruled south Asia. But centuries later the entire mughal army will be of local people, hindu, muslims. So basically when Mughals were on decline these ded pasli marathas were fighing mughal armies which basically meant local hindu, muslim people. Not long after British ruled with same way, conquer one region and give them modern weapons and then to another region. They themselves suffered very few losses over all, most of the times it will be local population.

That was to remind you about your history which is basically based on killing each other on orders of foreign rulers. So marathas didnt win against mughals but their own ded pasli and ASI brothers.

The point was a simple comparison between marathas and those punjabi muslim army whom you claimed to resist mughals..I was merely pointing out that the so called claims of great resistance lasted for mere 20 years and after which the punjabi muslims rebellion was crushed,never to rise agian,and the dullah batti and gang of losers(in rebellion)who were skinned alive by mughals couldn't care less whether they were ASI or ANI..And in contrast marathas successfully resisted mughals and formed an empire..Its just a simple comparison of your so called heroes and their 20 years militancy to someone who had actually resisted mughals..

Some stupid South Indians forget about their ancestors in my picture, also dont forget contribution of ANI in to making your kind civilized.

Every humans ancestors look the same..But before further of your genetic BS,please provide the proof for your claim that rajastani rajputs have more genetic similarity to mughals than punjabi muslim rajputs..After that i can point out your inherent stupidity in using ASI/ANI dna groups in contexts of mughals-maratha struggle or South Indian-muslim punjabi achievements..

 

[Fattyacids]

Uh, I attend one now, and it's clear that the Chinese students can't compete.

Look up the Rhodes Scholars from 2012 (almost half are Indian), and you'll see why I think so. There are a lot of Chinese who are above average at best, almost none who are elite.

Rhodes scholars are popular among commonwealth and english speaking countries only,
Look at international Maths and science Olympia, look at the number of elite PhDs awarded based nationalities, look the papers produced at grad programs, there are all mostly Chinese, LOL.
You picked the wrong Chinese guy so cut your BS!

 

[Devdas]

Rhodes scholars are popular among commonwealth and english speaking countries only,
Look at international Maths and science Olympia, look at the number of elite PhDs awarded based nationalities, look the papers produced at grad programs, there are all mostly Chinese, LOL.
You picked the wrong Chinese, LOL. So take your BS to other Indians ok!

Come on, there are almost twice the number of Chinese as Indians in the US, and there are still many more Indian Rhodes Scholars.

And yeah, the Chinese are good at petty high school math competitions that almost no Indians know about, but not actual math competitions like the Putnam Competition.

Out of the all-time top Putnam competitors, with three or more Putnam Fellows, three have been Indian, and only one has been Chinese. This is despite the fact that Chinese students flood the competition and outnumber Indians who mostly go into medicine and engineering. Pretty pathetic. The Chinese just aren't as great as you think they are, sorry.

 

[humanfirst]

Large majority of Pakistanis are the sons of the soil and are descendents of the Meluhha, the people of IVC. These people followed monotheism initially, later also followed Vedic and Hindu culture, became Buddhists, some followed Sikhism and Jainism and now are majority Muslims.
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However, it also displays a distinct difference with the IVC as it was an urban civilization, whereas the Vedic Hindu culture was pronounced for the ABSENCE OF fortified cities, town planning and drainage, monumental art and architecture of burnt bricks, advanced specialization and sea trade, use of seals, weights, measures and script and the custom of burying the dead in cemeteries.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...n-day-science-philosopy-56.html#ixzz2ecsTK0dS

Since the vedic hindu culture followed by pakistani people vastly differ from that of IVC,how do you explain the monumental difference in a shorter period of time..?How it could be possible if those following vedic culture were descendants of IVC civilisation..?

For over 9000 years of known Meluhha history, these people were only thrice politically united with the Ganges valley and its adjoining plains during the times of Mauryas, Muslims and British rule. For the remaining era, these people always, maintanied a separate political entity and were never part of India.
Therefore, the Two Nation Theory which became famous in 1940s, is essentially a 9000 year old reality.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...n-day-science-philosopy-56.html#ixzz2ecx4igwA

Wrong..The areas in present day pakistan and India were politically united under kushanas,Guptas,Palas etc-Not just mouryas and muslims and british..And two nation theory was based on the argument that subcontinental muslims require a separate nation-not some meluhan history.

 

[Fattyacids]

Come on, there are almost twice the number of Chinese as Indians in the US, and there are still many more Indian Rhodes Scholars.

And yeah, the Chinese are good at petty high school math competitions that almost no Indians know about, but not actual math competitions like the Putnam Competition.

Out of the all-time top Putnam competitors, with three or more Putnam Fellows, three have been Indian, and only one has been Chinese. This is despite the fact that Chinese students flood the competition and outnumber Indians who mostly go into medicine and engineering. Pretty pathetic. The Chinese just aren't as great as you think they are, sorry.

If you're from the elite schools in the US, going to Oxford is a step down. US Sciences and engineering are head and shoulder above the UK. That shows you know nothing about grad programs. You're not from a top institution. Another BS from you, huh.

Putnam is a local US competition, how can you compare it with International Olympia? A silver or gold medal in these olympia competition is almost a guarantee admission to the Ivies and peer institutions.

We chinese don't blow hot air like you guys do. There are smart indians, no doubt, but at the elite institutions, especially the graduate programs, chinese top the program from exam scores to research papers produced. This is fact, you cry and deny, it won't change a thing. You have no more credibility, didn't you say English is your 3rd language, LOL but medium of instruction in india is english

 

[Shabaz Sharif]

The point was a simple comparison between marathas and those punjabi muslim army whom you claimed to resist mughals..I was merely pointing out that the so called claims of great resistance lasted for mere 20 years and after which the punjabi muslims rebellion was crushed,never to rise agian,and the dullah batti and gang of losers(in rebellion)who were skinned alive by mughals couldn't care less whether they were ASI or ANI..And in contrast marathas successfully resisted mughals and formed an empire..Its just a simple comparison of your so called heroes and their 20 years militancy to someone who had actually resisted mughals..




Every humans ancestors look the same..But before further of your genetic BS,please provide the proof for your claim that rajastani rajputs have more genetic similarity to mughals than punjabi muslim rajputs..After that i can point out your inherent stupidity in using ASI/ANI dna groups in contexts of mughals-maratha struggle or South Indian-muslim punjabi achievements..

Only Rajastani rajput gave their daughters as sex slaves to Mughals not Punjabis, enough proof for you already?

 

[Nassr]

You claimed


Since the vedic hindu culture followed by pakistani people vastly differ from that of IVC,how do you explain the monumental difference in a shorter period of time..?How it could be possible if those following vedic culture were descendants of IVC civilisation..?


Wrong..The areas in present day pakistan and India were politically united under kushanas,Guptas,Palas etc-Not just mouryas and muslims and british..And two nation theory was based on the argument that subcontinental muslims require a separate nation-not some meluhan history.

The IVC started fading out at 1900 BC. Most historians state that Vedic culture emanated around 1500 BC and its development continued till about 600 BC. The monumental difference as you state, took over 1000 years, as in the earliest period the Vedic culture was primarily monotheistic which probably was closer to IVC culture and it later diluted to polytheism and totally diverged. They also became Hindus, became Buddhists and later became Muslim. However, if you are suggesting that these people just vanished in thin air, that did not happen as geographical, archeological and historical evidence overwhelmingly suggests that these people stayed in the same areas even after the IVC faded out. Migrations did take place, but mostly towards the west as there has been a Meluhha Kingdom identified along the borders of Egypt around 630 BC as well.

Regarding your claim about the Kushan, Gupta and Pala empires, I will post the maps of these empires. Please let me know where the IVC and all of remaining India have been politically united as one entity. At best only parts of either the IVC or Indian mainland have been joined to form an empire – nothing like the Mauryas, Muslims and British. If you have such information, it will help educate me further.

Some called it an artificial creation while others grieved on the vivisection of an ancient land. Yet, no one realized on that fateful night of 14th of August in 1947, that an ancient land has resurrected itself from the ashes of a lost civilization. That night the people of Meluhha came to life again as Pakistan. It was celebrated as an emergence of a new nation on the world map, least realizing that with minor differences in boundaries, the map which housed the people of Meluhha for over 9000 years, simply reclaimed its heritage as Pakistan ……………………….. The Two Nations Theory which became one of the founding principles of creation of Pakistan and partition of British India in 1947, in historical hindsight, helped create status quo ante where history merely repeated itself.

From Meluhha To Pakistan: The Embodiment Of A Civilization - OpEd Eurasia Review

Kushan Empire​

Gupta Empire​

Pala Empire​

 

[faithfulguy]

Hanyu Pinyin to be standard system in 2009 - Taipei Times

do you think India would stay together if English is no longer the official language of India?

 

[gslv mk3]

do you think India would stay together if English is no longer the official language of India?

Yes it would..why wouldnt it?

 

[Nassr]

do you think India would stay together if English is no longer the official language of India?

Yes they probably would - as it is, they don't seem to talk to each other much, they just kill each other to prove a point.

 

[k7x]

For Indians,

There are many in India who think that their ancestors lived in dark ages. Our eductation system is so secular that it doesent explore the ancient Sanskrit or Dravidian language Like Tamil.

1. Sanskrit - Vedas talk about geography of ancient india to an extent that is currently being proved by scientifc research.
Ramayana - it talks about humans living along with other creatures that are intelligent but still closer to monkeys.. well it might be myth. but do some reaserch - homosapiens were not the only intelliegnt speicies...

How does people 4000 years ago know that there is a sand bridge between srilanka and India.. eighter it should have been man made or the man should have been strong knowledge about the geography... either case it showed there level of knowledge

these are just a grain of knowledge that our sanscrit litrature give.. but who in india cares about it now. there are people who say sanskrit is Hindu..


2. Tamil Sangam litrature - THe first sangam litrature talks about pandian kingdom which is now submerged in sea.. scientist now belives it could be during the end of last ice age. may be little latter than that.. so dating back to 1000s of years.
Cholas, cheras and pandiyas have ruled south much much longer.. we have to dig out litrature to get history .

I dont want to offent any one, but i believe our people are brainwashed and see our history as satanic. Even without understanding the religios past and the level of intelligence it has people are condeming them.

there is a temple in Chidambaram tamilnadu , built 1000 year ago. there you will see three things .

1. Idol of Natrajar , 2 a lingam, 3 . Nothing...empty room what does that mean, you can approach god in any form and its upto you.. But that is not the only thing. Idol is called cosmic dance of god.
do little reasech on natrajar and Cosmos even the scienties will be amazed by the concept of universe.
I belive to come to this level of wisdom you have to have 1000s of years of continuous knowledge

and this one idol represents the entire universe in a simple manner.

Concept of godess Sita - born to a virgin mother earth, taken by a bad attitured ravanan, died for sins of the people of ayodia who didnt belive her .. well sounds familier...

well we have now imprted gods for other countries with same Myths. but give a photo of Jesus to Hindu , he will put a garlend and have it.. that level of tolerence is the greatest thing that our indian civilization has given to morden inida and world.



For Chinese people:
I truely respect the chinese culture and people. even today I can say they are the most hard working people where ever i have seen, dedicated and "clean . And your history amazes me.

Unfortunatly we are in competion.

 

[faithfulguy]

For Indians,

There are many in India who think that their ancestors lived in dark ages. Our eductation system is so secular that it doesent explore the ancient Sanskrit or Dravidian language Like Tamil.

1. Sanskrit - Vedas talk about geography of ancient india to an extent that is currently being proved by scientifc research.
Ramayana - it talks about humans living along with other creatures that are intelligent but still closer to monkeys.. well it might be myth. but do some reaserch - homosapiens were not the only intelliegnt speicies...

How does people 4000 years ago know that there is a sand bridge between srilanka and India.. eighter it should have been man made or the man should have been strong knowledge about the geography... either case it showed there level of knowledge

these are just a grain of knowledge that our sanscrit litrature give.. but who in india cares about it now. there are people who say sanskrit is Hindu..


2. Tamil Sangam litrature - THe first sangam litrature talks about pandian kingdom which is now submerged in sea.. scientist now belives it could be during the end of last ice age. may be little latter than that.. so dating back to 1000s of years.
Cholas, cheras and pandiyas have ruled south much much longer.. we have to dig out litrature to get history .

I dont want to offent any one, but i believe our people are brainwashed and see our history as satanic. Even without understanding the religios past and the level of intelligence it has people are condeming them.

there is a temple in Chidambaram tamilnadu , built 1000 year ago. there you will see three things .

1. Idol of Natrajar , 2 a lingam, 3 . Nothing...empty room what does that mean, you can approach god in any form and its upto you.. But that is not the only thing. Idol is called cosmic dance of god.
do little reasech on natrajar and Cosmos even the scienties will be amazed by the concept of universe.
I belive to come to this level of wisdom you have to have 1000s of years of continuous knowledge

and this one idol represents the entire universe in a simple manner.

Concept of godess Sita - born to a virgin mother earth, taken by a bad attitured ravanan, died for sins of the people of ayodia who didnt belive her .. well sounds familier...

well we have now imprted gods for other countries with same Myths. but give a photo of Jesus to Hindu , he will put a garlend and have it.. that level of tolerence is the greatest thing that our indian civilization has given to morden inida and world.



For Chinese people:
I truely respect the chinese culture and people. even today I can say they are the most hard working people where ever i have seen, dedicated and "clean . And your history amazes me.

Unfortunatly we are in competion.

How come Indians believe that China and India is in a competition. I think everyone should trying to do what is best for their own country instead of trying to compete with one another.

 

[praveen007]

Yes they probably would - as it is, they don't seem to talk to each other much, they just kill each other to prove a point.

na, thats the Favorite pass-time of you all, as you people love to kill minority, shiah, ahamedi etc. in your country and boost about it...