Indian army looking to secede ‘Azad Kashmir’ from Pakistan on BD pattern

[SpArK]

You forgot Thilagan and Cochin Haneefa

Lochak pachak machak

 

[Armstrong]

It's not BS. The US made it clear to USSR that the red line to them was West Pakistan and any attempts by India would lead to a nuclear war. The USSR which saved our day from the 7th fleet in case of East pakistan advised (forced) us to clam down on the western front.

Some evidence to substantiate some of that would be much appreciated.

Kargil was not a measured response in anyway. No effort was spared to regain our territory. All means at our disposal were used. That we did not cross the LoC only showed our maturity. regarding Mumbai attacks, I am one of those who believe the response was in kind.

That maturity has been shown more times than one can care to count & I didn't buy it the first time either !

 

[Paan Singh]

Some map posted on random pakistani page on FB

 

[Contrarian]

Its our right to believe what we choose. If you had given justice to those families killed they wouldn't have become a negative influence. Now they are joining hands with every second person for their task of freeing Hyderabad. In India organizations like JSQM are not allowed so that hampered their hosting a political party other than their fear of persecution.

I understand you will not see an idea that calls for a carving of a state within India but you must understand the core reasons behind it.

My point here was India's issues can be exploited as well as Pakistan's have been by India. The weakness here is of our government.

Note another political movement. If Telangana comes to being - Those muslims in hyderabad who espouse hatred against India will be on the wrong end of a nasty stick. It would change all the political dynamics of the region.

 

[Paan Singh]

Some evidence to substantiate some of that would be much appreciated.



That maturity has been shown more times than one can care to count & I didn't buy it the first time either !

He was reacting to the perception in strategic community that after the 1971 war, which led to the split of Pakistan and the creation of Bangladesh, the US asked India not to strike against West Pakistan.

Kissinger denies secret deal with India during 1971 war | ummid.com

it was posted on PDF and when kissinger came in india,he denied such allegation.
i think it was exposed by some russian KGB member.

 

[Armstrong]

Kissinger denies secret deal with India during 1971 war | ummid.com

it was posted on PDF and when kissinger came in india,he denied such allegation.
i think it was exposed by some russian KGB member.

That article doesn't mention any deal to stop India from attacking West Pakistan or anything of the sort !

 

[KS]

Kissinger denies secret deal with India during 1971 war | ummid.com

it was posted on PDF and when kissinger came in india,he denied such allegation.
i think it was exposed by some russian KGB member.

Kissinger did not deny that. He just refused to comment on that.

And frankly even USSR was not ready for a nuclear war for the sake of India and they made Indira agree to a ceasefire.

That maturity has been shown more times than one can care to count & I didn't buy it the first time either !

Dont mistake restraint for weakness dear. When it mattered we have always struck. Discretion is considered to be the better part of valor. And then again when Pakistanis themselves are doing our job flawlessly why waste men and material on any adventures ?

 

[Armstrong]

Kissinger did not deny that. He just refused to comment on that.

The quoted article opens as Veteran diplomat Henry Kissinger, the architect of the US' historic opening to China, has denied that that the US struck a secret pact with India to prevent an attack on West Pakistan in 1971.

I don't know where the 'refused to comment on that' bit came from.

And frankly even USSR was not ready for a nuclear war for the sake of India and they made Indira agree to a ceasefire.

If there were any proof for this; something...anything credible, I'd be more than willing to examine it & form my opinion, Thank You.

Dont mistake restraint for weakness dear. When it mattered we have always struck. Discretion is considered to be the better part of valor. And then again when Pakistanis themselves are doing our job flawlessly why waste men and material on any adventures ?

I suppose it didn't matter in the least bit after Kargil, after the '01 Stand-off or even after Mumbai ! So don't give me that 'restraint' nonsense.

 

[Mech]

Veerapan, keeleri achu, keerikadan, Mundackal Shekharan, Ramji rao , john honai, pavanazhi.. etc all of these guys supported LTTE and world knows about it.

Mundackal Shekharan and Ramji Rao terrorised our nation for over 5 years. Its no laughing matter. I had hoped people would avoid bringing it up so pakistanis here wouldn't start using it to bash our nation.

What's wrong with you ?

Separatist leaders like Cochin haneefa needs to be exiled. Shame on GOI.

 

[Spring Onion]

Question is not of lessons.You had whole west as ally while we had USSR.
US n USSR striked deal on west pakistan that india wont touch west pakistan otherwise indra had plans to invade west pakistan too.

so real question is,who is in your back? and presently you dont have any one ....even china,your army know better!!!!!

we dint have any ally only Sri Lanka was our freind in need.

anyway Kashmir is NOT BD neither its 71.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well its only Natural that it would happen

However I do favor a open policy for visitors from India to Kashmir even when it becomes part of Pakistan

Because its mainly their government's policy and they fuel sentiments
for it but in all reality it should have been part of Pakistan from long time ago

 

[Mech]

Well its only Natural that it would happen

However I do favor a open policy for visitors from India to Kashmir even when it becomes part of Pakistan

Because its mainly their government's policy and they fuel sentiments
for it but in all reality it should have been part of Pakistan from long time ago

Did you even read the article ?

Loser

 

[vsdoc]

I do not think India is interested in anything of strategic value in the small strip of land called AK.

I think our interest and long term objectives lie elsewhere and involve a lot more.

 

[INDIC]

Well its only Natural that it would happen

However I do favor a open policy for visitors from India to Kashmir even when it becomes part of Pakistan

Because its mainly their government's policy and they fuel sentiments
for it but in all reality it should have been part of Pakistan from long time ago

Provided laskhars hadn't indulged in looting in Kashmir in 1947.

 

[notorious_eagle]

Kissinger did not deny that. He just refused to comment on that.

And frankly even USSR was not ready for a nuclear war for the sake of India and they made Indira agree to a ceasefire.

I will give you that, the US was indeed firm that any invasion of West Pakistan would likely initiate an American response. Now what that response would be, we don't know? It could be military/economic aid or outright armed intervention.

A very important factor that many members here are failing to grasp is, the defences of West Pakistan were intact. East Pakistan was lightly armed due to Ayub Khan's flawed policy of 'Defence of East lies in the West'. Majority of the infantry, armoured and air assets were intact, mobilized and placed on the Western borders. FM Manekshaw had a year to plan for the invasion of East Pakistan, there is no evidence to suggest that a similar plan existed for the invasion of West Pakistan. Just by making a mere statement that Indira Gandhi had a plan to invade West Pakistan does not make it true. Invasion of West Pakistan was easier said than done, their would have been stiff resistance outright from the start and it does not appear that India was ready to sacrifice the amount of blood that was required to conquer West Pakistan.

Dont mistake restraint for weakness dear. When it mattered we have always struck. Discretion is considered to be the better part of valor. And then again when Pakistanis themselves are doing our job flawlessly why waste men and material on any adventures ?

Thats the biggest problem with this Indian mindset, if you think these puny little attacks can shake the core of the State than you couldn't be more wrong. There are problems in Pakistan, no doubt about that but not serious enough to inflict the collapse of the State. We know we have problems, and we are working hard to rectify them.

And please, keep this talk of 'restraint' for your fellow countrymen. Do you even know what striking hard means? Striking hard means reducing your enemy to a position where he does not remain in a position to pose a threat to you in the future. Has this happened?

A simple look a the balance of forces would suggest that Indian military lacks the muscle to inflict a defeat on PA and disband it. If you could have done it, believe me you would have done it. It was not for lack of restraint that IA didn't go to war with Pakistan in 2001 and 2008, it was because PA mobilized faster and had her defences setup before the IA could. So please, stop hiding behind this excuse of 'lacking political spine' and accept the reality. Looking at the current balance of forces, PA is immune from a military strike from IA.

I do not think India is interested in anything of strategic value in the small strip of land called AK.

I think our interest and long term objectives lie elsewhere and involve a lot more.

Really

Than why are your strategic planners making hue and cry about the presence of KKH and the presence of Chinese engineers in AK. Your actions seem contradictory to your words. Also, please expand on your long term objectives?

Thanks and good to see you back . Hope all is well at your side